JesusofChaos™ Posted August 8, 2008 Report Share Posted August 8, 2008 The amount of use (IMO) of the ban worthy card determines how high in the pecking order of banning it should be. CCV is splashable into any deck and is almost an auto win. Disk commander is also splashable thus it comes 2nd. Also u fail for thinking UDE makes ban lists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragon Master Posted August 8, 2008 Report Share Posted August 8, 2008 Good card is good. Good for a high level swarm deck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iAmNateXero Posted August 8, 2008 Report Share Posted August 8, 2008 I see you just want to fling the word "fail" around, so im sure every thing is going to be fail this and fail that from this post forward. ANYWAY back to matters at hand. Who cares who exactly makes the list? The bottom line is there is a list, and things deserve to be on it and off it. I disagree to a pecking order and anything associated with pecking orders. Its silly, either ban it or don't. Keep it simple. Cards will always be banned before others and people wont always agree with the decisions. If splashable cards were ban worthy would we be able to create stronger decks? Splashablity shouldn't (IMO) determine the ban list. i Disagree with CCV because you can still play 3 Roars or 3 Wab's and survive and come to make a come back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JesusofChaos™ Posted August 8, 2008 Report Share Posted August 8, 2008 ^ Remember counterability does not mean balance, just because u can use wabokus and roars doesnt mean it is balanced. Also i use the example of final destiny. Broken Effect but not splashable at all. Of course some non splashable cards are ban worthy (gyrazus and JD) but splashables are more ban worthy because they create a more wide spread problem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iAmNateXero Posted August 8, 2008 Report Share Posted August 8, 2008 I wasn't intending counterability as balance, I PERSONALLY don't find ccv as a threat or warrant banworthy. The cost of Final destiny alone balances that card out (imo) But you are free to think that effect is broken. Im not sure but i think Gyz is splashable to. I have nothing to go off of but this wikia, but if its true, summoner of illusions can special summon this card. If true, than That + book of moon will make Gyz much more splashable. [spoiler=Wikia on summoner]This card works well with Gladiator Beast's fusions or with Multi Piece Golem since you can return them to your fusion deck before their destruction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JesusofChaos™ Posted August 8, 2008 Report Share Posted August 8, 2008 ^ Yes but does that combo see any play, no. Also in regards to final destiny, i meant the destroying everything on the field (which is technically called the effect) is broken. However the cost makes it unsplashable as bascially no meta deck manages to successfully maintian 5 cards in hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiff! Posted August 8, 2008 Report Share Posted August 8, 2008 awesome card is awesome.i would run it in 3's in my samurai deck,but i dun have 3 and im using my only 1.theres always that armor thing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Void Old Posted August 8, 2008 Report Share Posted August 8, 2008 ^This has no place in a Samurai Deck. That's what Enishi and Grandmaster are for, and they do it much better in a Six Samurai environment. Nate: Do us a favor and stop phailing. The only D hero i can see being Banned or Limited. ^This post is filled with fail. The fact that you think it's the only ban/limitworthy D-Hero when it isn't ban/limitworthy at all and Disc Commander is already limited and one of the best banhammer candidates shows epic fail on your part. Also' date=' I'm [i']pretty[/i] sure "The only D hero" means "ONLY among the D-Heroes" and for that, you must "Sig a fail badge" as you promised. Its a 1 trib 2100 dark warrior and easily searchable. With another tribute it has the power to destroy any commonly used monster without problems. It hides in defense afterwards and basically Blocks/Set up for its next effect. If you draw a monster when ever it is in the graveyard durring a draw phase you can special summon that monster. The last effect is ongoing every time it is sent to the graveyard. Bold 1: OMFG' date=' STRATOS CAN SEARCH IT OUT, BANHAMMERRR NAO!!!!!!!!!!!!! Seriously. How's it easily searchable? And who cares if it is searchable, it's only any good in the Graveyard or when used for 2 for 2 fodder cards. Italic 1: -1ing yourself for lolATK is PRO. I don't see why you'd ever do that unless you were using a goat as fodder. Bold 2: That's another drawback. It lets GBs walk all over it. As for setting up for its next effect, that's the only effect you should be using in the first place. If you're summoning Dasher and Tributing all your monsters while trying to "block" attacks with 1000 DEF, you're doing it wrong. You're supposed to have dumped it straightaway with D-Draw, Armageddon, or Foolish. The free Special Summon is all it's good for, and even it's a highly-luck based effect which other cards like Malicious can do better. Diamond dude activates Normal spell cards with no cost or activation requirements, But you risk the chance of drawing those cards to. It can miss. So can Dasher if you draw an S/T/Nomi. And if you're running DDT, it's highly unlikely that it'll miss and it can often give you a +1 or +2. Not to mention Diamond can do it over and over again. Plasma requires 3 monsters simple to special summon it. Than it skill drains the opponent (not bad) and relinquishes. IF Tsukiyomi was legal' date=' i would have agreed with you, but there is no way to abuse this effect.[/quote'] Plasma is rarely used for Summons, he's used because he's fodder for Allure, D-Draw, and Trade-In. The fact that he's good when he's summoned is just a bonus. It's as/more limitworthy than Dasher. Malicious already hit the list at 2' date=' i dont see the point of it going to 1, so your right it would just get banned. But it isn't even that broken. It provides 1 monster with its effect. Dasher can do that and more.[/quote'] Malicious does it better and instantly. The "and more" you speak of is just useless stuff nobody good uses it for. Also, Malicious can be used for CCV, Dasher cannot. "I can see" means you'd be able to accept it being banned/limited more than you could accept any other D-Hero being banned or limited. With Disk out there that's just stupid. In our context "I can see" is the same as "I'd like" because "I'd like" means that you would want it being banned/limited more than any other Destiny Hero. Either way, you're still saying "DAsahar pWNsorz all D-hroz!!!" which is just stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yogg-Saron Posted August 8, 2008 Report Share Posted August 8, 2008 Good card is good. Don't use it that much in DaD D-Hero that much though, maybe 2, but its not Trade-In fodder, however it can be used with Allure and D-Draw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazer Yoshi Posted August 8, 2008 Report Share Posted August 8, 2008 Almost the best D-Hero, awesome card, could actually go in many decks ^_^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonisanoob Posted August 8, 2008 Report Share Posted August 8, 2008 underused AMAZING in virus control Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darknesu Posted August 9, 2008 Report Share Posted August 9, 2008 The only D hero i can see being Banned or Limited. This being banned before Plasma' date=' Malicious, Diamond Dude?? Not that any of them will be banned, but if one would go for some (read 'no') reason, then it wouldn't be Dasher.[/quote'] Its a 1 trib 2100 dark warrior and easily searchable. With another tribute it has the power to destroy any commonly used monster without problems. It hides in defense afterwards and basically Blocks/Set up for its next effect. If you draw a monster when ever it is in the graveyard durring a draw phase you can special summon that monster. The last effect is ongoing every time it is sent to the graveyard. Diamond dude activates Normal spell cards with no cost or activation requirements, But you risk the chance of drawing those cards to. It can miss. Plasma requires 3 monsters simple to special summon it. Than it skill drains the opponent (not bad) and relinquishes. IF Tsukiyomi was legal, i would have agreed with you, but there is no way to abuse this effect. Malicious already hit the list at 2, i dont see the point of it going to 1, so your right it would just get banned. But it isn't even that broken. It provides 1 monster with its effect. Dasher can do that and more. Thats how i see it. This is one of the first times I posted in this sites TCG section and I'm impressed that people don't see how cards work. Destiny Hero - Diamond Dude - Obvious some people haven't heard of D Draw and Allures that can use this. The effect is a plus from not needing a cost to play a spell lets say like Lightning Vortex thats a free Raigeki on all face-ups. Also it seems people don't remember or know DDT or for those who don't know the short hand... Diamond Dude Turbo. This card isn't broken or have a look at even being limited unless some break through comes deck wise. Destiny Hero - Plasma - This is hit by 3 very very good draw cards. Destiny Draw, Trade-In, Allure its a part of whats called the D-Hero Draw Engine. Also I wonder if people know he can be summoned from Scapegoat and cards like it cause the summon is a special summon. Destiny Hero - Malicious - Why even bring this one up. This card doesn't help much outside of Allure , Destiny Draw, D-Hero Tuners(When 5Ds Starter Deck comes out/The Duelist Genesis), and possibly a deck that has some use for this. Destiny Hero - Disk Commander - This is closer to being banned then any of the other D-Hero cards and why you may ask. Well lets see its very searchable meaning it'll get to the hand easily. Also when you want it in the graveyard you've got Destiny Draw, Armageddon Knight, Dark Grepher, etc. to put it there. Also there's a huge amount of cards like Monster Reborn, Premature Burial, Limit Reverse, etc. that will bring them back and let you draw 2 free cards. Destiny Hero - Dasher - This is futherest from even seeing a limit let alone a semi-limit. Oh sure you get a free summon if its in the graveyard but thats the only thing good about it and there isn't many decks that need it to do so. Tributing a monster for some extra attack that last 1 turn doesn't help unless the card is a Sangan. Also its a Goblin Attack Force that requires a tribute and thats not good especially when the defence is low. Don't take this as a offence but Dasher isn't one of the greatest D-Heroes infact its not even one of the top 5. This card doesn't even deserve a ban as it doesn't even come close to giving anything huge in any deck which are cards that deserve limitation or ban unless its to hurt a big deck type which Destiny Heroes aren't. Yes you can use its effect even if it gets d.d. crowed on the chain If you hit Dasher with a D.D. Crow the effect goes away as Dasher requires itself to be in the graveyard. So through priority would bring Dasher's effect to appear first in the chain followed by D.D. Crow then the resolving of the effects happen in reverse. This causes Dasher to be removed from the graveyard and since it requires to be in the graveyard for its effect the effect goes away as the conditions are not met for the card to play its effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azuh Posted August 9, 2008 Report Share Posted August 9, 2008 This conversation and argument is why the internet is serious business Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JesusofChaos™ Posted August 9, 2008 Report Share Posted August 9, 2008 Yes you can use its effect even if it gets d.d. crowed on the chain If you hit Dasher with a D.D. Crow the effect goes away as Dasher requires itself to be in the graveyard. So through priority would bring Dasher's effect to appear first in the chain followed by D.D. Crow then the resolving of the effects happen in reverse. This causes Dasher to be removed from the graveyard and since it requires to be in the graveyard for its effect the effect goes away as the conditions are not met for the card to play its effect. Actual you are wrong. When you draw a tribute monster and activate the effect of dasher, it checks the game state and sees that it is graveyard, d.d. crow is then chain to remove it. However Dasher has already seen that it was in graveyard when its effect was activated. Thus whatever happened after that is irrelevant and its effect works. See this ruling in UDE forums for official confirmation- http://entertainment.upperdeck.com/COMMUNITY/forums/thread/779623.aspx Now STFU or GTFO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darknesu Posted August 9, 2008 Report Share Posted August 9, 2008 Yes you can use its effect even if it gets d.d. crowed on the chain If you hit Dasher with a D.D. Crow the effect goes away as Dasher requires itself to be in the graveyard. So through priority would bring Dasher's effect to appear first in the chain followed by D.D. Crow then the resolving of the effects happen in reverse. This causes Dasher to be removed from the graveyard and since it requires to be in the graveyard for its effect the effect goes away as the conditions are not met for the card to play its effect. Actual you are wrong. When you draw a tribute monster and activate the effect of dasher' date=' it checks the game state and sees that it is graveyard, d.d. crow is then chain to remove it. However Dasher has already seen that it was in graveyard when its effect was activated. Thus whatever happened after that is irrelevant and its effect works. See this ruling in UDE forums for official confirmation- http://entertainment.upperdeck.com/COMMUNITY/forums/thread/779623.aspx Now STFU or GTFO[/quote'] Now there's no reason to say that. Also so you know I didn't know entirely and I was giving my thoughts on it. Now if you'd be kind and STFU yourself. Though I will thank you for giving a link to confirmation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JesusofChaos™ Posted August 9, 2008 Report Share Posted August 9, 2008 ^ U boycotted your right to tell people to stfu when you stated an incorrect ruling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest PikaPerson01 Posted August 9, 2008 Report Share Posted August 9, 2008 Now there's no reason to say that. Also so you know I didn't know entirely and I was giving my thoughts on it. Now if you'd be kind and STFU yourself. Though I will thank you for giving a link to confirmation. Lol, Darkness gets pwned and tells other to STFU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samer_13 Posted August 10, 2008 Report Share Posted August 10, 2008 Love This Card! DMoC comes out easy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Judgment Dragon Posted August 10, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 10, 2008 Yep. Thats why I think its good in Dark Armed Dragon. Easy DMoC. Easy Darklord Zerato. Thats just to name a few. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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