Why do people think....

[lordares25]

ok not that im having this problem here where people have cards that say "This card is not effected by Spell or Trap Cards" think that you cannot chain cards such as , mirror force , waboku, Solemn Judgement, Etc to the summoning or in the battle phase. and get ticked off that when im judging at an event say well my card says its not effected by trap cards. yea that may be true. BUT. that is only true if the trap card directly targets that One specific monster.

 

Solemn Judgement for example:: it doesnt effect the card it just negates the summoning of the card in general and does not speicifically target that one card.

 

Waboku: it turns all battle damage to zero without directly targeting the card that is not effected by traps.

 

Threatening Roar: this card only cancels out your opponents battle phase and again does not target the card no effected by traps.

 

these are the common arguments i get.......

 

sorry just thought id rant a bit.

[JesusofChaos™]

What i say is solemn negates the summon so it never hits the field, thus its continous effect never activates.

 

With the other 2 i just say that the cards are not targetting the monster therefore they still work

[L. Rutsah]

If you're talking about the egyptian gods or the sacred beasts ( and I'm sure that you're talking about them) then most of them say that they are not affected by spell traps etc that target a specific card, they can be targeted by mass effect cards like raigegi , waboku etc.

[Guest Supreme Gamesmaster]

It depends on the card text. If it says "Negate the effect of a Spell or Trap Card that specifically targets this card," then Waboku, Solemn Judgment, and Torrential Tribute/Heavy Storm all work. If it says "This card is not affected by Spell and Trap Cards" as in the Egyptian God Monsters, then Waboku works because it doesn't affect the card at all, and Solemn works because the effect never activates. However, Torrential Tribute/Heavy Storm doesn't work because it activates after the card has been played and its effect activated. The examples of Solemn Judgment, Waboku, and Threatening Roar are all valid arguments.

[L. Rutsah]

I will write the last post in this thread, do you understand supreme?

[L. Rutsah]

LOL

[Abstract [Atrocity]]

If you're talking about the egyptian gods or the sacred beasts ( and I'm sure that you're talking about them) then most of them say that they are not affected by spell traps etc that target a specific card' date=' they can be targeted by mass effect cards like raigegi , waboku etc.

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find where it says on the sacred beasts that they are unaffected by anything, and i'll give you a cookie.

 

on-topic:

If A monster such as jinzo is summoned, you can negate it with Solemn because it negates the summon (meaning it is considered to never have happened).

Cards that don't target, like Waboku, won't affect a monster like Wildheart, because it affects your Life Points, not wildheart.

You can still activate cards like Mirror Force on a wildheart, destroying the rest of the attack pos monsters, but doing nothing to wildheart.

 

It keeps going on like that...

but yeah, I get noobs pulling crap like this on me all the time.

[lordares25]

oh and mirror force would go off to as it targets the whole opponents monster field that has face up attack and not just the attacking monster with that effect.

 

this was a ruling according to andrew bowling who was a level 3 judge at Nationals.

[Orochi]

fact is:

 

- solemn is a counter trap, and the "this card is unnafected by traps" is continous... continous effects = spell speed 2, counter traps = spell speed 3...

 

spell speed 3 beats spell speed 2... plain and simple

 

 

- waboku and threatening road DON'T affect monsters directly, waboku affects the damage calculation and threatening affect the player directly... not the monsters...

 

 

BTW: egiptian gods don't even have an effect, learn2play

[JesusofChaos™]

fact is:

 

- solemn is a counter trap' date=' and the "this card is unnafected by traps" is continous... continous effects = spell speed 2, counter traps = spell speed 3...

 

spell speed 3 beats spell speed 2... plain and simple

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Incorrect trigger effects are spell speed 2, continous traps have no spell speed unless threy have trigger like properties such as royal oppression

[werewolfjedi]

so basically, negate the summon effects still work because he never hits the field, and die! die! die! doesn't work because it isn't effected by it.

 

good to know.

[Phantom Roxas]

What i say is solemn negates the summon so it never hits the field' date=' thus its continous effect never activates.

 

With the other 2 i just say that the cards are not targetting the monster therefore they still work

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But since Solemn negates the summon, wouldn't the card have to be actually be summoned first, so it's effect would stop Solemn from destroying it, unless the card has to be successfully Summoned for its Continuous Effect to count.

[JesusofChaos™]

What i say is solemn negates the summon so it never hits the field' date=' thus its continous effect never activates.

 

With the other 2 i just say that the cards are not targetting the monster therefore they still work

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But since Solemn negates the summon, wouldn't the card have to be actually be summoned first, so it's effect would stop Solemn from destroying it, unless the card has to be successfully Summoned for its Continuous Effect to count.

 

Theres a difference between a summon and a successful summon. When a summon is conducted the cost is ful filled (just with like a magic card) and the card is played, the opponent then can respond spell speed 2 or higher effects. After the chain has resolved the monster is then consider successfully summon and continous effects affilated with the card are then active

[Phantom Roxas]

Oh, okay.