Guest Star Posted July 4, 2008 Report Share Posted July 4, 2008 Alright, I made this thread because I want to know what people's answers are to this question. Let's say that 1 of the 4 cards listed below is going to be removed from the ban list and added to the limited list. However, the card that is removed from the ban list must not have a large effect on the Meta. Delinquent DuoLast WillPainful ChoicePot of Greed I already know what card would be the least damaging, but I want to see what the members think would be the least damaging. This topic is a Trap for bad players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aximil Posted July 4, 2008 Report Share Posted July 4, 2008 I would have to say that it's Last Will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exiro Posted July 4, 2008 Report Share Posted July 4, 2008 I know the answer but I am not going to spoil it. I'll say it on MSN. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tekken Ham Posted July 4, 2008 Report Share Posted July 4, 2008 Wow, this is so blatantly obvious. Last Will. Duo is automatically a +2 for the cost of 1000 LP. You kill 2 cards in their hand for a very small cost. Painful Choice is just insane. Especially with DARKS being reliant on the Graveyard, this would be a huge asset. This would also work with GB and Darius. Can anyone say free Gyzarus? Pot of Greed is also an automatic +2, but with no cost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JesusofChaos™ Posted July 4, 2008 Report Share Posted July 4, 2008 Wow' date=' this is so blatantly obvious. Last Will. Duo is automatically a +[b']1[/b] for the cost of 1000 LP. You kill 2 cards in their hand for a very small cost. Painful Choice is just insane. Especially with DARKS being reliant on the Graveyard, this would be a huge asset. This would also work with GB and Darius. Can anyone say free Gyzarus? Pot of Greed is also an automatic +1, but with no cost. Fixed and Q4T Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tekken Ham Posted July 4, 2008 Report Share Posted July 4, 2008 How are they not +2's? Their costs are trivial enough for them to be +2's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flame Dragon Posted July 4, 2008 Report Share Posted July 4, 2008 Wow' date=' this is so blatantly obvious. Last Will. Duo is automatically a +[b']1[/b] for the cost of 1000 LP. You kill 2 cards in their hand for a very small cost. Painful Choice is just insane. Especially with DARKS being reliant on the Graveyard, this would be a huge asset. This would also work with GB and Darius. Can anyone say free Gyzarus? Pot of Greed is also an automatic +1, but with no cost. Fixed and Q4TQ4T [/topic] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aximil Posted July 4, 2008 Report Share Posted July 4, 2008 How are they not +2's? Their costs are trivial enough for them to be +2's. With Pot of Greed, you lose a card from your hand by playing it. Which means you only get one card. And the 1000 life point cost for Delinquent Duo is an even trade for them to discard one card. But, then they discard another card for no cost. Am I close? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exiro Posted July 4, 2008 Report Share Posted July 4, 2008 Wow' date=' this is so blatantly obvious. Last Will. Duo is automatically a +2 for the cost of 1000 LP. You kill 2 cards in their hand for a very small cost. Painful Choice is just insane. Especially with DARKS being reliant on the Graveyard, this would be a huge asset. This would also work with GB and Darius. Can anyone say free Gyzarus? Pot of Greed is also an automatic +2, but with no cost.[/quote'] Would you please take the following line into account: ]This topic is a Trap for bad players. We haven't had such a topic in a while so please don't spoil it that quickly next time. Number of players trapped: 1 Although he was smart enough to fix it when the answer was spoiled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tekken Ham Posted July 4, 2008 Report Share Posted July 4, 2008 Wow, umm... Whenever you play a card you lose a card from your hand. You get 2 cards, you get card advantage because you got 2 cards. There is no cost involved in PoG. Second, you are an idiot. 1k LP is a trivial cost for -2 to the hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aximil Posted July 4, 2008 Report Share Posted July 4, 2008 Yes, I know that you guys think I'm a bad player. I don't know what a lot of the cards do now since I don't waste all of my time on them anymore. But, believe it or not, I can actually hold my own in a duel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JesusofChaos™ Posted July 4, 2008 Report Share Posted July 4, 2008 How are they not +2's? Their costs are trivial enough for them to be +2's. You must play the card from the hand to activate so its a -1 then you random discard then look and discard, with pot you play card -1, then draw 2 so +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tekken Ham Posted July 4, 2008 Report Share Posted July 4, 2008 1. http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page 2. Stop playing retards and play people with coherent minds before you think you can hold your own in a duel. @ JoC, By your logic, all advantage cards are downgraded by -1 because you lose a card in your hand. By your logic D-Draw, Trade-In, Allure are all +0's. Pot is +2 in card advantage because it has no actual cost, which is why it was banhammered. Duo is trickier, it has a small cost but you kill 2 cards in their hand. Unless the cost is game changing, I really don't think it matters. Especially killing 2 in the hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exiro Posted July 4, 2008 Report Share Posted July 4, 2008 Wow' date=' umm... Whenever you play a card you lose a card from your hand. You get 2 cards, you get card advantage because you got 2 cards. There is no cost involved in PoG. [/quote'] The cost in PoG, is the card itself. Does it return to your hand? No.Starting hand: 6Hand after playing PoG: 7Difference between 7 and 6: 11 in your favor, so that's a +1. Second' date=' you are an idiot. 1k LP is a trivial cost for -2 to the hand.[/quote'] Note that he is improving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tekken Ham Posted July 4, 2008 Report Share Posted July 4, 2008 Read my post above yours, kthxbye. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JesusofChaos™ Posted July 4, 2008 Report Share Posted July 4, 2008 1. http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page 2. Stop playing retards and play people with coherent minds before you think you can hold your own in a duel. @ JoC' date=' By your logic, all advantage cards are downgraded by -1 because you lose a card in your hand. By your logic D-Draw, Trade-In, Allure are all +0's. Pot is +2 in card advantage because it has no actual cost, which is why it was banhammered. Duo is trickier, it has a small cost but you kill 2 cards in their hand. Unless the cost is game changing, I really don't think it matters. Especially killing 2 in the hand.[/quote'] You are correct at those drawing cards are +0s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tekken Ham Posted July 4, 2008 Report Share Posted July 4, 2008 I'd consider them +1, when determining card advantage you compare the cost to advantage. Playing the advantage card itself is not a -1 because you have to play it to get the advantage. If you don't play it you don't get the advantage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JesusofChaos™ Posted July 4, 2008 Report Share Posted July 4, 2008 Advantage Notation is a way of summarizing the efficiency of a card and whether that card pays for itself. It is calculated by determining how a card will affect your Card Advantage. For example, Pot of Greed leaves your hand in order to put two more cards into your hand; since the number of cards in your hand increases by 1, Pot of Greed is considered a +1. Reducing your opponent's advantage is equivalent to increasing your own advantage for the purposes of Advantage Notation. For example, activating Delinquent Duo reduces your number of cards by 1, but reduces the number of cards your opponent has by 2; therefore, it is also considered a +1. A +0 or better is considered good, as it results in no loss of advantage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tekken Ham Posted July 4, 2008 Report Share Posted July 4, 2008 Therefore, PoG is a +2 until you play it because then you lose it. Everything gets -1 when they're played simply because it's not in your hand anymore. I liek funny logic! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Star Posted July 4, 2008 Report Share Posted July 4, 2008 Cheeselord, I thought you were good at this game. I'll give you a hint, it's not Delinquent Duo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Supreme Gamesmaster Posted July 4, 2008 Report Share Posted July 4, 2008 *reads first post* Hm... Last Will, I think. Monsters with 1500 or less ATK are generally only good in the Graveyard, and it's a Normal Spell besides. I remember thinking this was worthless when I first started the game because it was a Normal and not a Continuous, so I don't think it'd do too much here. *reads rest of topic* Ah. So I was right. But I still fail at YGO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JesusofChaos™ Posted July 4, 2008 Report Share Posted July 4, 2008 That was taken from the Card Advantage FAQ, it is common practise and is used by pro players. Yes the logic is so funny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tekken Ham Posted July 4, 2008 Report Share Posted July 4, 2008 I already stated it was Last Will. We are arguing over Advantage Notation. Please lrn2read. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Star Posted July 4, 2008 Report Share Posted July 4, 2008 Yes, and your argument fails. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tekken Ham Posted July 4, 2008 Report Share Posted July 4, 2008 So did yours over Shien. I don't see why holding on to my obviously losing topic is worse than holding on to a false one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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