An Extremely Short Essay on the Subject of Missing the Timing.

[Guest Chaos Pudding]

If an effect is optional, it can miss the timing. If it is not, then it cannot. I expect any questions on this subject to be confined to this topic. Thank you.

[Bloodrun]

um i think understand what your trying to say

 

the effect like Messenger of Peace is optional

 

but what timing, are you talking about? o.0

[iAmNateXero]

Like Monster gating Poisson Frog. Its optional to draw a card, but you can't because you have to fulfill the effect of Monster gate.

[「tea.leaf」]

If Poison Draw Frog wasn't optional, it'd be a lot better. :/

[Abstract [Atrocity]]

Timing question; your opponent attacks, and you use sakuretsu. Can you laso activate magic cylinder?

my opponent did this today and a spectator said he couldn't, I don't now what's right here...

[Tickle Me Emo]

no. Youd be chaining Cylinder to Saku. Saku doesnt attack, so no.

[JesusofChaos™]

You can only chain cards to the pervious action so in the example he would be chaining magic cylinder to the sak therefore the effect would not work as you are not chaining it to an attacking monster

[Aximil]

You could activate the Enchanted Javelin and then Draining Shield though. You would gain twice as much life points and negate the attack.

[Pharaoh_Atem]

God, folks get this stuff so wrong.

 

Yes, you can activate a Magic Cylinder in response to your own Sakuretsu Armor.

 

When a player declares an attack, there is only one Chain in the Battle Step that is considered "in response to the declaration of that attack." Within that Chain, all eligible cards that respond to attack declaration may be activated on any eligible chain link, said eligibility being dictated by both the other cards in play and the Chain Rule.

[Tickle Me Emo]

okay Atem you kinda lost me there.

[Aximil]

There are two chances to activate a card when your opponent attacks. Both cards will activate unless negated. Am I right?

[Pharaoh_Atem]

There are two chances to activate a card when your opponent attacks.

 

This is a notoriously vague sentence' date=' one that will definitely screw with the limited understanding most YCMers have, so I've got to shoot it down.

 

Attacks are declared in the Battle Step. Refer to the rulebook if you have one; you might need it if the words "Battle Step" seem new to you. If you don't have a rulebook, go to UDE's website and find the online copy.

 

In the Battle Step, there may be an unlimited number of Chains, and those Chains may have an unlimited number of Chain Links.

 

However, when a player declares an attack, a Chain may be started in response to the attack declaration. There may only be ONE CHAIN "in response to the declaration of an attack."

 

 

Both cards will activate unless negated. Am I right?

 

No, because the sentence "cards will activate unless negated" is a contradiction.

 

An effect that does not activate or apply at the present time... cannot be negated; something must be attempting to activate or apply for that activation or application to be negated.

 

 

 

In regard to Javelin and Shield:

 

Javelin's text is unclear, as it just says "Gain LP equal to the ATK of 1 attacking monster your opponent controls". The card should read: "Activate only when your opponent declares an attack. Gain LP equal to the ATK of the attacking monster."

 

Now, when your opponent declares an attack, players may create a Chain by responding to the declaration; however, only 1 time may they make a Chain to respond to that 1 declaration. There's no way to use these two cards in seperate chains v. the same card during the same attack of the same turn.

 

Luckily enough, you may activate them both in the same Chain. Javelin is nothing more than a Shield that doesn't negate the attack in question.

 

Don't forget to follow all the rules of the game in regard to the Chain Rule.

[Aximil]

There are two chances to activate a card when your opponent attacks.

 

This is a notoriously vague sentence' date=' one that will definitely screw with the limited understanding most YCMers have, so I've got to shoot it down.

 

Attacks are declared in the Battle Step. Refer to the rulebook if you have one; you might need it if the words "Battle Step" seem new to you. If you don't have a rulebook, go to UDE's website and find the online copy.

 

In the Battle Step, there may be an unlimited number of Chains, and those Chains may have an unlimited number of Chain Links.

 

However, when a player declares an attack, a Chain may be started in response to the attack declaration. There may only be ONE CHAIN "in response to the declaration of an attack."

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What I meant by that is that you can activate a card when your opponent attacks and right before they actually attack your monster. Say, you opponent attacks and you activate Mask of Weakness, then, during the Damage Step, wouldn't you be able to activate Rush Recklessly?

[Pharaoh_Atem]

There are two chances to activate a card when your opponent attacks.

 

This is a notoriously vague sentence' date=' one that will definitely screw with the limited understanding most YCMers have, so I've got to shoot it down.

 

Attacks are declared in the Battle Step. Refer to the rulebook if you have one; you might need it if the words "Battle Step" seem new to you. If you don't have a rulebook, go to UDE's website and find the online copy.

 

In the Battle Step, there may be an unlimited number of Chains, and those Chains may have an unlimited number of Chain Links.

 

However, when a player declares an attack, a Chain may be started in response to the attack declaration. There may only be ONE CHAIN "in response to the declaration of an attack."

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What I meant by that is that you can activate a card when your opponent attacks and right before they actually attack your monster. Say, you opponent attacks and you activate Mask of Weakness, then, during the Damage Step, wouldn't you be able to activate Rush Recklessly?

 

Of course.

 

It would behoove you to stop being vague and start being precise.

[Aximil]

Sorry. I haven't really focused on being precise. I was just trying to make sense of what you said.

[tonisanoob]

christ atem stop talking in crypitc metaphors

 

cant yo just word things normally

 

if what your saying is right you can activate cylender and sakurestsu and both effects work?

[pizzaman]

The best way to explain missing the timing is by showing a person Archfiend of Gilfer and Woodland Sprite.

[MarbleZone]

christ atem stop talking in crypitc metaphors

 

cant yo just word things normally

 

if what your saying is right you can activate cylender and sakurestsu and both effects work?

 

God' date=' folks get this stuff so wrong.

 

Yes, you can activate a Magic Cylinder in response to your own Sakuretsu Armor.

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English is a cryptic metaphor?

[Guest setojim]

God' date=' folks get this stuff so wrong.

 

Yes, you can activate a Magic Cylinder in response to your own Sakuretsu Armor.[/quote']

 

this is true.

[Tickle Me Emo]

There are two chances to activate a card when your opponent attacks.

 

This is a notoriously vague sentence' date=' one that will definitely screw with the limited understanding most YCMers have, so I've got to shoot it down.

 

Attacks are declared in the Battle Step. Refer to the rulebook if you have one; you might need it if the words "Battle Step" seem new to you. If you don't have a rulebook, go to UDE's website and find the online copy.

 

In the Battle Step, there may be an unlimited number of Chains, and those Chains may have an unlimited number of Chain Links.

 

However, when a player declares an attack, a Chain may be started in response to the attack declaration. There may only be ONE CHAIN "in response to the declaration of an attack."

 

 

Both cards will activate unless negated. Am I right?

 

No, because the sentence "cards will activate unless negated" is a contradiction.

 

An effect that does not activate or apply at the present time... cannot be negated; something must be attempting to activate or apply for that activation or application to be negated.

 

 

 

In regard to Javelin and Shield:

 

Javelin's text is unclear, as it just says "Gain LP equal to the ATK of 1 attacking monster your opponent controls". The card should read: "Activate only when your opponent declares an attack. Gain LP equal to the ATK of the attacking monster."

 

Now, when your opponent declares an attack, players may create a Chain by responding to the declaration; however, only 1 time may they make a Chain to respond to that 1 declaration. There's no way to use these two cards in seperate chains v. the same card during the same attack of the same turn.

 

Luckily enough, you may activate them both in the same Chain. Javelin is nothing more than a Shield that doesn't negate the attack in question.

 

Don't forget to follow all the rules of the game in regard to the Chain Rule.

 

thanks.

[Pharaoh_Atem]

christ atem stop talking in crypitc metaphors

 

No. Cope or get out.

 

cant yo just word things normally

 

Yes.

 

if what your saying is right you can activate cylender and sakurestsu and both effects work?

 

The above sentence makes no sense. Stop being stupid and start making sense.

[Aximil]

 

if what your saying is right you can activate cylender and sakurestsu and both effects work?

 

The above sentence makes no sense. Stop being stupid and start making sense.

 

He was asking if you can use both Sakuretsu Armor and Magic Cylinder on one monster and still have both effects work.

[Crystal Alien]

God' date=' folks get this stuff so wrong.

 

Yes, you can activate a Magic Cylinder in response to your own Sakuretsu Armor.[/quote']

 

this is true.

 

i agree

[tekkaman01]

 

if what your saying is right you can activate cylender and sakurestsu and both effects work?

 

The above sentence makes no sense. Stop being stupid and start making sense.

 

He was asking if you can use both Sakuretsu Armor and Magic Cylinder on one monster and still have both effects work.

Yes you can. Atem may be a little cryptic, but everything he has said is correct.