Phantom Phoenix Banned List

[~ P O L A R I S ~]

Ok, here's my list. Please note that it only contains sets up to LOTD, so I don't want any "y noo zombecarrier roflmao noob." I may add cards from TGDS and CTC later, but for now it's just up to LoDT. Anyway, here it is, feel free to comment and suggest.

 

Ok, here goes.

 

I. Forbidden Cards

You cannot use these cards in your Deck, Fusion Deck or Side Deck.

 

BLACK LUSTER SOLDIER - ENVOY OF THE BEGINNING

BREAKER THE MAGICAL WARRIOR

BUTTERFLY DAGGER - ELMA

CALL OF THE HAUNTED

Card of Safe Return (Too many infinite draws and cheap combos.)

CHANGE OF HEART

CHAOS EMPEROR DRAGON - ENVOY OF THE END

CHAOS SORCERER

CONFISCATION

Crush Card Virus

CYBER JAR

CYBER-STEIN

DARK HOLE

Dark Armed Dragon

DELINQUENT DUO

Destiny Hero - Disk Commander

DIMENSION FUSION

Elemental Hero Prisma

EXCHANGE OF THE SPIRIT

FIBER JAR

Gold Sarcophagus (Screw rich people. XD)

Gladiator Beast Bestiari (Kill Gyzarus. Also, I'm banning this instead of just Gyzarus because it's a Breaker in GB that can summon other GBs)

Gladiator Beast Lacquer (Now Heraklinos dies.)

GRACEFUL CHARITY

HARPIE'S FEATHER DUSTER

IMPERIAL ORDER

Judgment Dragon (LS dies now.)

LAST TURN

LAST WILL

MAGICAL SCIENTIST

MAGICIAN OF FAITH

MAKYURA THE DESTRUCTOR

METAMORPHOSIS

MIRAGE OF NIGHTMARE

PAINFUL CHOICE

POT OF GREED

Overload Fusion

RAIGEKI

RING OF DESTRUCTION

SINISTER SERPENT

SNATCH STEAL

THE FORCEFUL SENTRY

THOUSAND-EYES RESTRICT

TIME SEAL

Treeborn Frog

TRIBE-INFECTING VIRUS

TSUKUYOMI

VICTORY DRAGON

WITCH OF THE BLACK FOREST

YATA-GARASU

 

NEW! - Card of Safe Return, Crush Card Virus, Dark Armed Dragon, Destiny Hero - Disk Commander, Elemental Hero Prisma, Gladiator Beast Bestiari, Gladiator Beast Lacquer, Gold Sarcophagus, Judgment Dragon, Treeborn Frog.

 

II. Limited Cards

You can ONLY use one of the following cards in the Deck, Fusion Deck & Side Deck combined.

 

Allure of Darkness (Draw power is a big problem.)

D.D.R. - Different Dimension Reincarnation

D. D. WARRIOR LADY

ADVANCED RITUAL ART

BRAIN CONTROL

Caius the Shadow Monarch

CARD DESTRUCTION

CARD TROOPER

CEASEFIRE

CHAIN STRIKE

Cyber Valley (Got to be the most versatile card there is.)

DARK MAGICIAN OF CHAOS

Destiny Draw (Die draw Die!)

Destiny Hero - Dasher (We all needed this.)

DIMENSION FUSION

ELEMENTAL HERO STRATOS

EXODIA THE FORBIDDEN ONE

FISSURE

FUTURE FUSION

GIANT TRUNADE

Gladiator Beast Murmillo (Cheap)

Grandmaster of the Six Samurai

GRAVITY BIND

Great Shogun Shien

GREEN BABOON, DEFENDER OF THE FOREST

HEAVY STORM

LEFT ARM OF THE FORBIDDEN ONE

LEFT LEG OF THE FORBIDDEN ONE

LEVEL LIMIT - AREA B

LIMITER REMOVAL

Kuraz the Light Monarch (Too versatile, too many options, too many combos; Appropriate etc. ><)

MAGIC CYLINDER

MARSHMALLON

MEGAMORPH

MIND CRUSH

MIRROR FORCE

MONSTER REBORN

MORPHING JAR

MYSTICAL SPACE TYPHOON

NEO-SPACIAN GRAND MOLE

NIGHT ASSAILANT

NOBLEMAN OF CROSSOUT

OJAMA TRIO

PREMATURE BURIAL

RAIZA THE STORM MONARCH

RETURN FROM THE DIFFERENT DIMENSION

RIGHT ARM OF THE FORBIDDEN ONE

RIGHT LEG OF THE FORBIDDEN ONE

SANGAN

SCAPEGOAT

SMASHING GROUND

SNIPE HUNTER

Solar Recharge (Mwahahaha)

SPIRIT REAPER

SWORDS OF REVEALING LIGHT

Test Tiger

THE TRANSMIGRATION PROPHECY

TORRENTIAL TRIBUTE

Trade-In (Yay!)

TRAP DUSTSHOOT

TREEBORN FROG

TWIN-HEADED BEHEMOTH

ULTIMATE OFFERING

UNITED WE STAND

WALL OF REVEALING LIGHT

 

NEW! - Allure of Darkness, Caius the Shadow Monarch, Cyber Valley, D.D.R. - Different Dimension Reincarnation, Destiny Draw, Destiny Hero Dasher, Gladiator Beast Murmillo, Grandmaster of the Six Samurai, Great Shogun Shien Kuraz the Light Monarch Solar Recharge, Test Tiger, Trade-In, Solar Recharge

 

 

III. Semi-Limited Cards

You can ONLY use two of the following cards in the Deck, Fusion Deck & Side Deck combined.

 

BOOK OF MOON

CYBER DRAGON

DESTINY HERO - MALICIOUS

FOOLISH BURIAL

Gravekeeper's Spy

LIGHT AND DARKNESS DRAGON

MAGE POWER

MAGICAL STONE EXCAVATION

MASK OF DARKNESS

NECROFACE

REINFORCEMENT OF THE ARMY

ROYAL DECREE

 

NEW! - Gravekeeper's Spy

 

Please comment and suggest. ^_^ Thinking about doing something to DDR, any ideas?

[Flame Dragon]

No card needs to be Semi-Limited.

[~ P O L A R I S ~]

No card is semi-limited except for Konami's Semi-Limited cards.

[Flame Dragon]

That's not the point. Their is no card that is good at 2.

Only 0, 1, or 3.

[~ P O L A R I S ~]

That's ot the point. Their is not card that is good at 2.

Only 0' date=' 1, or 3.

[/quote']

 

I don't quite understand the way you worded that. Your grammar is somewhat confusing. :?

[CrabHelmet]

The only Gladiator Beast that should even be considered for banning is Gyzarus, and Limiting a card that can't combo with itself and is searchable by every other monster in its deck - LOLWUT. Also, you've randomly banned Prisma and Limited Test Tiger. Is it your goal to commit genocide against the Gladiator Beasts?

 

The random D-Hero, Monarch, and Six Samurai Limits are hilariously bad, as are the Draw Limits.

 

What makes Cyber Valley so Limit-worthy?

 

Also, you kept Dark Armed Dragon legal. Instant fail.

 

Oh, by the way, killing Judgment Dragoon doesn't kill LS. It just removes the brokenness from LS.

 

That's ot the point. Their is not card that is good at 2.

Only 0' date=' 1, or 3.

[/quote']

 

I don't quite understand the way you worded that. Your grammar is somewhat confusing. :?

 

He means you should have taken all of the currently Semi-Limited cards and moved them to a new position.

[Flame Dragon]

That's not the point. Their is no card that is good at 2.

Only 0' date=' 1, or 3.

[/quote']

 

I don't quite understand the way you worded that. Your grammar is somewhat confusing. :?

Forgot the "n" and added a "t". My bad.

 

If you still don't get it no card should be Semi-Limited

[Exiro]

Also, why is Crush Card Virus limited?

[~ P O L A R I S ~]

The only Gladiator Beast that should even be considered for banning is Gyzarus' date=' and Limiting a card that can't combo with itself and is searchable by every other monster in its deck - LOLWUT. Also, you've randomly banned Prisma and Limited Test Tiger. Is it your goal to commit genocide against the Gladiator Beasts?

 

The random D-Hero, Monarch, and Six Samurai Limits are hilariously bad, as are the Draw Limits.

 

What makes Cyber Valley so Limit-worthy?

 

Also, you kept Dark Armed Dragon legal. Instant fail.

[/quote']

 

That's one opinion. Murmillo was limited so that you couldn't use Secutor to bring out 2 for field advantage. Bestiari was limited to kill 2 birds with 1 stone. (No pun intended) Bestiari was basically a GB Breaker which could evolve into Gyzarus. Lacquer was taken out to deal with Heraklinos.

 

Dark Armed Dragon was limited because now that Dimension Fusion and RFtDD have been stamped on by Konami, it doesn't rival Judgment Dragon and limiting is all it needs.

 

Dasher was the only D-Hero limited, it caused huge problems with its broken Special Summon effect, so it got limited.

 

Monarchs were next up in line, so they were punished, Treeeborn was banned and their 2 new top guns, Kuraz and Caius were limited.

 

Drawing was becoming a huge problem, the speed in it was terrifying, no deck should be able to draw through over half their deck first turn, drawing was punished accordingly. Disk was banned. Valley, Ddraw, Recharge, Trade-In, and ALlure were limited.

 

I had to utterly obliterate GBs, since they were blasting all other decks to shreds as new builds were being discovered.

 

Shogun and Grandmaster were limited to stop the swarming threat of Six Samurai which would've dominated in the meta had I not put them on here.

 

Crush Card was kept limited because I didn't feel it was to the point of banworthy. It also takes care of Monarchs, which were becoming a problem.

 

I feel the cards I added to the list are justified, it would be helpful if anyone could suggest something that should be on here or what to do about DDR

 

P.S: Now that I've banned CoSR, Manticore is no longer a problem and has been unlimited. I've also limited Gravekeeper's Spy.

 

Flame: Why not? Cards that caused trouble in 3s and aren't quite limit-worthy do exist.

[Guest Supreme Gamesmaster]

I'll explain this nicely, which Crab and co are unable to do.

 

Semi'ing does almost nothing to drawing ratios. If a card is semi'd, it might as well be unlimited.

[~ P O L A R I S ~]

I'll explain this nicely' date=' which Crab and co are unable to do.

 

Semi'ing does [b']almost[/b] nothing to drawing ratios. If a card is semi'd, it might as well be unlimited.

 

Yes, but it does something. It cuts down the draw chance by 33.3333etc.%, which makes all the more impact since I'm cutting down on draw effects, and stops the overabuse of effects like those of Malicious, Necro Gardna, Apprentice, and Spy. Now that you mention it, I think I'll Semi Spy now.

[Flame Dragon]

The only Gladiator Beast that should even be considered for banning is Gyzarus' date=' and Limiting a card that can't combo with itself and is searchable by every other monster in its deck - LOLWUT. Also, you've randomly banned Prisma and Limited Test Tiger. Is it your goal to commit genocide against the Gladiator Beasts?

 

The random D-Hero, Monarch, and Six Samurai Limits are hilariously bad, as are the Draw Limits.

 

What makes Cyber Valley so Limit-worthy?

 

Also, you kept Dark Armed Dragon legal. Instant fail.

[/quote']

 

That's one opinion. Murmillo was limited so that you couldn't use Secutor to bring out 2 for field advantage. Bestiari was limited to kill 2 birds with 1 stone. (No pun intended) Bestiari was basically a GB Breaker which could evolve into Gyzarus. Lacquer was taken out to deal with Heraklinos.

I know next to nothing about GB, so I could be making bad assumptions. If Secutor isn't on the field you don't get the effect, and since he only has 400 ATK odds are he will not be on the field after he attacks. 90% of Spell and Traps that are used are chain able making Bestiari's effect limited in use, especially since you need to have a GB attack to use his effect in the first place. Heraklinos is fine at 3, so Lacquer is fine at 3.

Dark Armed Dragon was limited because now that Dimension Fusion and RFtDD have been stamped on by Konami, it doesn't rival Judgment Dragon and limiting is all it needs.

So your saying that dropping a 2800 ATK beatstck on to the field that kills 3 cards shouldn't be banned?

Dasher was the only D-Hero limited, it caused huge problems with its broken Special Summon effect, so it got limited.

No it doesn't. My friend uses Dasher in his high level swarm deck and has never been a problem.

Monarchs were next up in line, so they were punished, Treeeborn was banned and their 2 new top guns, Kuraz and Caius were limited.

Monarchs shouldn't be limited in.

Drawing was becoming a huge problem, the speed in it was terrifying, no deck should be able to draw through over half their deck first turn, drawing was punished accordingly. Disk was banned. Valley, Ddraw, Recharge, Trade-In, and ALlure were limited.

So why not limit Accumulated Fortune? Also Allure should be banned, while the rest only work in their own decks.

I had to utterly obliterate GBs, since they were blasting all other decks to shreds as new builds were being discovered.

Their a good deck type and so should do well

Shogun and Grandmaster were limited to stop the swarming threat of Six Samurai which would've dominated in the meta had I not put them on here.

They would have dominated because the list isn't good

Crush Card was kept limited because I didn't feel it was to the point of banworthy. It also takes care of Monarchs, which were becoming a problem.

lol no

I feel the cards I added to the list are justified, it would be helpful if anyone could suggest something that should be on here or what to do about DDR

[~ P O L A R I S ~]

1st bold: I disagree about Heraklinos being fine, and Secutor can still attack defense position monsters without any problems FYI.

 

2nd bold: Well, it's watered down a lot and Judgment Dragon is still better, compare DAD to Chaos Emperor. With D-Fusion banned and RFtDD limited, it's really not as much of a problem.

 

3rd bold: Not for him, maybe for his opponent.

 

4th bold: Raiza already has, and Caius and Kuraz are neck in neck with Raiza.

 

5th bold: Just because GBs are good type and do well, brokenly well, doesn't mean they shouldn't be banned.

 

6th bold: That's one opinion. I still felt they should be taken out.

 

7th bold: You're gonna have to say more than just "lol no" if you want me to change my mind about it.

[Guest Supreme Gamesmaster]

I'll explain this nicely' date=' which Crab and co are unable to do.

 

Semi'ing does [b']almost[/b] nothing to drawing ratios. If a card is semi'd, it might as well be unlimited.

 

Yes, but it does something. It cuts down the draw chance by 33.3333etc.%, which makes all the more impact since I'm cutting down on draw effects, and stops the overabuse of effects like those of Malicious, Necro Gardna, Apprentice, and Spy. Now that you mention it, I think I'll Semi Spy now.

 

>.<

Malicious is still abused.

Necro Gardna is still abused.

Apprentice is still abused.

If Gigaplant were Semi'd, it would still be abused.

Gravekeeper's Spy is still abused.

Semi'ing does nothing to abuse.

[Flame Dragon]

1st bold: I disagree about Heraklinos being fine' date=' and Secutor can still attack defense position monsters without any problems FYI.

[b']In order to use his effect you must discard cards, plus monster effects still kill him. Ok, but monster are only played in defense if the player is losing meaning you should be able to destory any defense monster with ease, since you in turn would be winning[/b]

2nd bold: Well, it's watered down a lot and Judgment Dragon is still better, compare DAD to Chaos Emperor. With D-Fusion banned and RFtDD limited, it's really not as much of a problem.

No it isn't, and if you want to compare, Emperor is better than Judgment, so Judgment should be at 1 too. Pro tip, don't compare a broken card to a more broken card to say it isn't broken

3rd bold: Not for him, maybe for his opponent.

I guess I should have added "for me".

4th bold: Raiza already has, and Caius and Kuraz are neck in neck with Raiza.

Raiza shouldn't be at 1

5th bold: Just because GBs are good type and do well, brokenly well, doesn't mean they shouldn't be banned.

How do they do "brokenly well?" From what I've read they only ever done well.

6th bold: That's one opinion. I still felt they should be taken out.

If it's your opinion I'm not going to try to make you change it since you don't seem to want to.

7th bold: You're gonna have to say more than just "lol no" if you want me to change my mind about it.

A card that prevents your opponent form using any monster with more than 1400 ATK for 3 turns is broken. It's that simple.

[~ P O L A R I S ~]

They do brokenly well because they're dominating the metas. Have you seen herak in action? The fact that it works in your opponent's turn too makes iti cheap. It's basically a really easy to summon Horus which has the added feature of destroying traps at the cost of having to discard to negate.

 

Then maybe your friend isn't using Dasher properly.

 

Raiza should be at one because of it's lock and presence and devestation to trib monsters. Monster form of PWWb without discard.

 

Judgment shouldn't be at 1 because it nukes the field and does 3000 damage, it's practically a CED and its very existence is a disgrace.

[Guest Supreme Gamesmaster]

1st bold: I disagree about Heraklinos being fine' date=' and Secutor can still attack defense position monsters without any problems FYI.

[b']In order to use his effect you must discard cards, plus monster effects still kill him. Ok, but monster are only played in defense if the player is losing meaning you should be able to destory any defense monster with ease, since you in turn would be winning[/b]

Well, I agree somewhat here. Heraklinos can stay banned should Doom Wraith desire it, but Secutor shouldn't be.

2nd bold: Well, it's watered down a lot and Judgment Dragon is still better, compare DAD to Chaos Emperor. With D-Fusion banned and RFtDD limited, it's really not as much of a problem.

No it isn't, and if you want to compare, Emperor is better than Judgment, so Judgment should be at 1 too. Pro tip, don't compare a broken card to a more broken card to say it isn't broken

JD and DAD stay at the same ban level, the same way CED and BLS-EOTE do.

3rd bold: Not for him, maybe for his opponent.

I guess I should have added "for me".

I see Doom's point here. A strict banlist should keep it out.

4th bold: Raiza already has, and Caius and Kuraz are neck in neck with Raiza.

Raiza shouldn't be at 1

This is the first time I agree wholeheartedly with Doom.

5th bold: Just because GBs are good type and do well, brokenly well, doesn't mean they shouldn't be banned.

How do they do "brokenly well?" From what I've read they only ever done well.

Doom hates GBs; that much is obvious. If Doom hates GBs, he has every right to keep them off the list.

6th bold: That's one opinion. I still felt they should be taken out.

If it's your opinion I'm not going to try to make you change it since you don't seem to want to.

Neither do you.

7th bold: You're gonna have to say more than just "lol no" if you want me to change my mind about it.

A card that prevents your opponent form using any monster with more than 1400 ATK for 3 turns is broken. It's that simple.

I HATE CCV. BAN IT FOREVER.

[~ P O L A R I S ~]

I never banned Secutor. Since everyone approves of banning CCV and DAD, DAD and CCV are now banned.

[Guest Supreme Gamesmaster]

YAY DEATH OF CCV! DEATH TO CCV FOREVER!

 

Remember in YGO:PoL when Deck Devastation Virus made you lose 30 cards in 3 turns? It would be a lol if DDV really worked like that.

[~ P O L A R I S ~]

That would utterly pwn Lightsworn XD

 

 

I don't hate GBs, I just personally don't think a theme that makes half the current meta decks should be ignored.

 

I'm thinking of limiting D.D.R. and Reasoning. All in favor say Aye. ^_^

[Flame Dragon]

They do brokenly well because they're dominating the metas. Have you seen herak in action? The fact that it works in your opponent's turn too makes iti cheap. It's basically a really easy to summon Horus which has the added feature of destroying traps at the cost of having to discard to negate.

They have never "dominated the meta". Only done well. No' date=' but I know the fact that he doesn't stop monster effects is what keeps him from being good enough from being banned.[/b']

Then maybe your friend isn't using Dasher properly.

How can you not use Dasher properly?

Raiza should be at one because of it's lock and presence and devestation to trib monsters. Monster form of PWWb without discard.

But the main cards use to bring out any Monarch are banned so they are harder to get out

Judgment shouldn't be at 1 because it nukes the field and does 3000 damage, it's practically a CED and its very existence is a disgrace.

DAD shouldn't be at one since he gives you a 2800 ATK point monster who can kill at least 3 cards the second he comes out.

 

CCV and DAD are gone. Good.

 

DDR should be at 1. Reasoning, I think, should be at 3.

[Guest Supreme Gamesmaster]

They do brokenly well because they're dominating the metas. Have you seen herak in action? The fact that it works in your opponent's turn too makes iti cheap. It's basically a really easy to summon Horus which has the added feature of destroying traps at the cost of having to discard to negate.

they have never "dominated the meta". Only done well. No' date=' but I know the fact that he doesn't neget monster effects is what keeps him from being good enough from being banned.[/b']

Doom hates GBs the same way I hate Cyber Dragons, so I respect this hatred. Leave a loather at peace, Flame.

Then maybe your friend isn't using Dasher properly.

How can you not use Dasher properly?

By being a n00b. There's a lot of them on YCM.

Raiza should be at one because of it's lock and presence and devestation to trib monsters. Monster form of PWWb without discard.

But the main cards use to bring out any Monarch are banned so they are harder to get out

And? I personally limit Kuraz, Caius, and Raiza (the latter due to Transmigration Break).

Judgment shouldn't be at 1 because it nukes the field and does 3000 damage, it's practically a CED and its very existence is a disgrace.

DAD shouldn't be at one since he gives you a 2800 ATK point monster who can kill at least 3 cards the second he comes out.

The thing is, JD destroys all monsters, while DAD gives you much more strategic precision. They're equal to each other, and should meet each other on the banlist.

 

I say aye to DDR and nay to Reasoning (FOR NOW).

 

In related news, LET'S ALL DANCE ON THE ASHES OF CCV!!!

[~ P O L A R I S ~]

1. They have dominated the meta, at US nationals 6 GB decks top 16'd and Chris Bowling won with GBs. For more information: http://www.metagame.com/yugioh.aspx?tabid=33&ArticleId=9762 It's not that I hate GB it's just that I can't ignore decks which destroy the meta.

 

2. How can you not use Dasher properly? You can select non-Dasher targets when you use Foolish or Armageddon Knight or you can not use his Special Summon effect at the right time.

 

3. Treeborn is banned. That doesn't stop monarchs, click on the link I posted and look at the first deck. It's a monarch deck without Treeborn by Adam Corn.

 

4. I just banned DAD >_>

 

In other news, D.D.R. is now limited.

 

Now, what should be done about Phoenix Wing Wind Blast? I'm thinkin' limit, all in favor say aye.

[Flame Dragon]

1. They have dominated the meta' date=' at US nationals 6 GB decks top 16'd and Chris Bowling won with GBs. For more information: http://www.metagame.com/yugioh.aspx?tabid=33&ArticleId=9762 It's not that I hate GB it's just that I can't ignore decks which destroy the meta.

[b']DAD did just as well. IMO they aren't destorying the meta, just doing well.[/b]

2. How can you not use Dasher properly? You can select non-Dasher targets when you use Foolish or Armageddon Knight or you can not use his Special Summon effect at the right time.

Friend doesn't have Foolish or Armageddon, and he does use the effect when he needs it.

3. Treeborn is banned. That doesn't stop monarchs, click on the link I posted and look at the first deck. It's a monarch deck without Treeborn by Adam Corn.

With out Treeborn, Monarchs are still good, but won't control the meta as they did before.

4. I just banned DAD >_>

I saw that after I posted

In other news, D.D.R. is now limited.

[~ P O L A R I S ~]

Bold 1: They won't now that DAD's banned.

 

Bold 2: Then your friend needs to get Foolish and Armageddon

 

Bold 3: They could've quite easily if Raiza, Kuraz, and Caius were run-in-3-able.

 

Bold 4: Good, so now we don't have to worry about it.