Grand Spiral Machine - Chogintoppa and Grand Spiral Machine - Kittakingu

[Guest Chaos Pudding]

[img]http://img111.imageshack.us/img111/751/12155ed6.jpg[/img]

http://oh8.deviantart.com/art/SPOILER-TT-Gurren-Lagann-72907398

[img]http://img123.imageshack.us/img123/2156/12155vs2.jpg[/img]

By removing from play 1 DARK Machine-Type monster in your Graveyard, you may Special Summon this card from your hand. If this card is removed from play by the effect of a DARK monster not named "Grand Spiral Machine - Kittakingu", Special Summon this card during the End Phase. If this card is Special Summoned from anywhere but your hand, Deck, or Graveyard, it cannot be used in a Synchro Summon. If more than 1 "Grand Spiral Machine - Kittakingu" is face-up on your side of the field at the same time, only 1 of the "Grand Spiral Machine - Kittakingu" cards is treated as a Tuner Monster.

http://oh8.deviantart.com/art/KING-KITTAN-72244895

[Titus]

OPed. I think you should take out the combined ATK and DEF effect and add in another effect. ;)

[~ P O L A R I S ~]

Make it Machinesx500 instead of their combined ATK.

[Guest Chaos Pudding]

Make it Machinesx500 instead of their combined ATK.

 

Yeah, that seems a bit more balanced.

[Willieh]

Your title is internet masochist... Thats kind of...odd?

 

Anyway, I like the card. A few OCG problems, but it's definately not bad. I give it a 8.5/10

[Titus]

Make it Machinesx500 instead of their combined ATK.

 

That's still a bit much. With only 3 Machines in your Graveyard, that's already a 4000 ATKer. 5 and it's a 5000 ATKer.

 

I'd make it 200x each Machine.

[Guest Chaos Pudding]

Make it Machinesx500 instead of their combined ATK.

 

That's still a bit much. With only 3 Machines in your Graveyard' date=' that's already a 4000 ATKer. 5 and it's a 5000 ATKer.

 

I'd make it 200x each Machine.

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Hmm.... It does, however, require, almost always, at least 3 monsters to bring out. I'll lower the boost to 300.

[Titus]

It'll be better with 300, but even with 5 Machines in your Graveyard, it's still got 4000 ATK.

 

I still think it's a good card, though. ;)

[Guest Chaos Pudding]

It'll be better with 300' date=' but even with 5 Machines in your Graveyard, it's still got 4000 ATK.

 

I still think it's a good card, though. ;)

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So? ATK isn't everything.

[Titus]

You're right. Now why not just make a 4-star monster with 5000 ATK and no effect? Because it's a vanilla, no one will use it, right?

[Enigma Zero]

Honestly...I like the pic you've chosen as temporary. It just needs a little something. I can't believe I'm saying this but...perhaps you should try a holo effect on this one.

 

Other than that it's a nice card with a cool name. ;)

[bluefire1179]

I like this card and the pic is good. The uncharacteristic low defense of the machine monster is creative.

[Guest Chaos Pudding]

You're right. Now why not just make a 4-star monster with 5000 ATK and no effect? Because it's a vanilla' date=' no one will use it, right?

[/quote']

 

But, you see, it isn't the ATK alone that makes it broken. A Level 7 5000 ATK monster isn't quite as overpowered, but it has the same ATK. What makes a card like the one you mentioned overpowered is the combination of ATK and ease of use.

[Kizzi]

Quite possibly perfect.

[MarbleZone]

I like the card, no doubt there. However, when you say, and I've learned to agree in the TCG section, that ATK is everything, why is this card worth using then? Dimension Fusion is banned, so all this does is essentially... well, gain ATK or die.

 

I understand all Chimeratech does, for instance, is also gain ATK and OTK, but that involves Future Fusion and Overload, which is to say, no field presence at all. This one, being a Synchro, and a Level 12 at that, requires large field presence to the point of 3 monsters being needed most of the time. And if you have 3 monsters on the field at any point you're probably winning already anyway.

 

Or is it supposed to combo with RftDD? Maybe I'm missing the strategy here, sorry if that's the case, really.

[Guest Chaos Pudding]

I like the card' date=' no doubt there. However, when you say, and I've learned to agree in the TCG section, that ATK isn't everything, why is this card worth using then? Dimension Fusion is banned, so all this does is essentially... well, gain ATK or die.

 

I understand all Chimeratech does, for instance, is also gain ATK and OTK, but that involves Future Fusion and Overload, which is to say, no field presence at all. This one, being a Synchro, and a Level 12 at that, requires large field presence to the point of 3 monsters being needed most of the time. And if you have 3 monsters on the field at any point you're probably winning already anyway.

 

Or is it supposed to combo with RftDD? Maybe I'm missing the strategy here, sorry if that's the case, really.

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Considering that this card isn't real, it's easy to imagine other cards existing that support this card. Perhaps a Dimension Fusion that only works for cards that are removed from play by this card's effect? D.D.R. still exists, and Escape from the Dark Dimension works for DARK Machines. I'm just throwing ideas out here. Certainly, on its own, it doesn't seem like much, but you have to look at the big picture. Without good Tribute Monsters, Treeborn Frog really has no place in most decks. You dig?

 

Wait, I know! I'll create a Tuner monster to go with this one.

[MarbleZone]

Okay, makes sense, thanks for clearing that up. ;)

[Guest Chaos Pudding]

Okay' date=' makes sense, thanks for clearing that up. ;)

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Well, check out the Tuner monster I just created to go along with it.

[╬「Selatcia」╬]

I like the pics.

[wilson91]

These are awesome, good job.

[Kizzi]

I was expecting an awesome-er Tuner. It's still decent.

[Titus]

You're right. Now why not just make a 4-star monster with 5000 ATK and no effect? Because it's a vanilla' date=' no one will use it, right?

[/quote']

 

But, you see, it isn't the ATK alone that makes it broken. A Level 7 5000 ATK monster isn't quite as overpowered, but it has the same ATK. What makes a card like the one you mentioned overpowered is the combination of ATK and ease of use.

 

My point was that ATK may not be everything, but it certainly does matter. And if you're going to make a card which effect revolves only around ATK, then you can't really say ATK isn't everything, because with this card, it is.

 

And I didn't see 2 non tuner monsters before. Is that new?

[Guest Chaos Pudding]

I was expecting an awesome-er Tuner. It's still decent.

 

Wait, something got messed up in the wording of the card. I meant it to be usable with Inferno Reckless Summoning. Let me change around the wording a bit.