Realistic Cards: Getting rude lately?

[Silencerleader]

But I just dislike it when noobs expect such a good rating when their card(s) totally suck. It gets me furious when they pm me saying that they deserved a better ranking. I try to be nice by giving 2/10's or maybe even 4/10's to them' date=' but quite frankly, not many members who make cards deserve higher rankings like 9/10's for card(s) that aren't really good. So the next time you see me give out nice 3/10's or 6.4/10's to cards while I give a logical explanation to make their card(s) some what adequate, don't come crying to me when you get what you deserve. (I'm not talking to the good members that make some decent cards)

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Exactly...

[Guest JoshIcy]

i understand the first few cards that are exceptional considering newbish experience, (which explains why i was nice to that newby last night). But the rest Silenceleader has it, and some extra zest... with permission, may i add that to the thread starter?

[Junk Raver]

Oh. So if I decide to go on a rating spree of "card sux' date=' 0/10 n00b", the author shouldn't care either because I'm insulting pixels and definitely not damaging his life, is that it? From that perspective, I can post just about anything I want in the Realistic section as far is it isn't porn.

 

People care, DJ. That's why they post cards in the first place, and why you moderate a card making forum.

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Blackwind you just proved my point.

 

If someone says somethings a 0/10, why be bothered, you have the knowledge that that person is a complete retard, then that should be good enough;

 

as Moaning;

 

'OMGZZZZ I GOT A 0/10 YOU A**'

 

Hows that make anything right?

 

It only aggrevates the situation.

 

 

 

Now, if you dont want special people to rate your threads, dont take the risk of posting a thread.

 

 

 

 

Now, i did have an idea awhile back, and i think i suggested it on the Mod forum, however nothing sadly, became of it.

 

 

I wanted the Realistic Section to be split, either as an extra subsection or a new section within CC.

 

1 Would be a section for Realistic Cards from users who suffer from OCG / Errors and /or is new at making cards.

 

The second would be for People who have good OCG / Grammar, and have experience of making cards.

 

It would split those of whom need help and those that dont really need it, and comments for users in the second section would be monitored for any stupid comments.

[Guest JoshIcy]

I never meant it like that Dj. In fact I see that as going beyond my point. Im just wondering if the rudeness... not attitude of the section is changing and if people are concerned etc....

 

Thats going far beyond my initial point >_> but different views arent bad on the same situation....

The internet may be a place where faces and persona dont matter but thats no excuse for being rude....

[RacecaR]

We should make it constructive criticism or just shut up and go away.

[Guest JoshIcy]

We should make it constructive criticism or just shut up and go away.

 

lol elaborate those lines and humor me please?

[Silencerleader]

Funny read this pm.

(member's name I cannot mention)

 

A f!#%ing 1/10?!?!?

I worked hadr 4 that. I ned a better rating. I know that my gramar sux, but plzx giv me a better rating.

[MarbleZone]

DJ: My point is, ignoring it or not, it's still not adequate behaviour, and it should be corrected instead of simply ignored. I feel sad when people dismiss my work like that. I don't moan about it, obviously, but it still saddens me, and the rater should be warned and taught differently regardless of my reaction.

 

About your idea, I like it. The problem is, new members have no idea how much their OCG suck. They'd want to post their cards next to those of the best. We see that every day, with people making horrible cards and entering them in contests like "Are you the Best Card Maker on the site?". They have no idea, and will never have, until they are faced with constructive criticism. As such there's no point in dividing Realistic, because the newbies would never respect that division, and pointing them the right forum would come as extra work for the mods. ;)

[tommers2008]

you are totally right with this thread i've just seen sum1 post this "3 out of 10" noting else now i believe every1 has opinion but at least say why you only think they desevre 3 or sumthing..!!!

 

when i posted my new cards sum1 replyed very nicely by simply pointing out my ocg mistakes and few other tings but encouredged me by saying keep it up good try and so on it help by just saying that at the end its alot better then oh so wrong 1/10

 

dj great idea that would be great in my opinion..!!

[Silencerleader]

DJ: My point is' date=' ignoring it or not, it's still not adequate behaviour, and it should be corrected instead of simply ignored. I feel sad when people dismiss my work like that. I don't moan about it, obviously, but it still saddens me, and the rater should be warned and taught differently regardless of my reaction.

 

About your idea, I like it. The problem is, new members have no idea how much their OCG suck. They'd want to post their cards next to those of the best. We see that every day, with people making horrible cards and entering them in contests like "Are you the Best Card Maker on the site?". They have no idea, and will never have, until they are faced with constructive criticism. As such there's no point in dividing Realistic, because the newbies would never respect that division, and pointing them the right forum would come as extra work for the mods. ;)

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LOL...+rep for that idea...but not really going to happen...tough mods...

[Guest Supreme Gamesmaster]

When you say "consent," I hope you mean "comment."

 

I'm trying to be even more thorough in my reviews now, almost to the level I was at in the very beginning. But there are others who will just post ratings, and I'll be like "...okay... Care to explain how I could improve? That is why I posted it, y'know..."

[Guest KAJN]

Just rude? Ya think. I think this should stay or even be a sticky because new people must ask before "Correcting" yeah these ""(meaning whatever) why don't they ask? I'll tell you because of the rep thingy. Yeah beware that we won't give your a "Good" rep but a "Negative " one so you better ask newbie before you post. And it's not rude it's humiliating why should they correct it in front of everyone why not by PM' date=' you won't get a good reputation because you'll be called a rude person(I'm still talking about the newbie). Well if you see it from my point you will realize that your not just being bad with the person that made the card but with most of the people because they will just ignore you and won't be loved this way.

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I feel that I am attacked by your post (Although, I am doing this in the Written Cards Section, not the Realistic Cards Section) . Why do I correct the OCG? It's mainly because there would be many conflicts with a card's effect if the OCG is unclear. For example, a card has this errata:

 

"This card can attack all of your opponent's monsters."

 

At first, there seems to be no conflict with the rulings, but since Yu-Gi-Oh card errata became too literal (best example I know is the case of "Obsidian Dragon" and "Cyber Phoenix"), some players (especially the noobs) would reason that the monster can attack the opponent directly, although it is clear enough to the professionals that it is not possible.

 

Second, the reason why the OCG is fixed first is that every player would comprehend with the rulings of that particular card. If the conflict with such rulings would be removed, then it would be easier to assess whether a certain card is overpowered. Who would assess a card which has errata that is too incomprehensible?

 

I admit that I am not expert in criticizing card effects. Also, as much as possible I do not want my post to be like "This card is good." sort of thing.

 

Finally for those who think that I am doing these for reps, I don't care about reps.

 

Wait Written cards? Um who said we are talking about this, please read the title because it's right. OK lets say you made your best card and added it in the realistic section. OK lets say that it's bad but you don't know.

Comments:

OMG WOW how bad can this get. Look sunny why don't you go read some more cards and see if they match because I can tell you 100% that this card is a joke and will make people laugh until they die and yeah do you know what OCG is? I don't think so because they stink.

OK thats just the start you haven't wrote the end or will write it. You see thats more than rude and I won't say more. And please read the title because we're not saying "Written Cards: Getting rude lately?"

[schyshter]

you all have valid points, but i think DJ is the most sensible in his thinking here...

 

n00bs are n00bs. they'll learn from experience what is cool and what aint just like we all have. if their comments and/or ratings have no validation, and the feedback you get from members (who you think) know better is in contradiction, why do you even care what it is...?

 

it's an entirely different thing when a senior member does something like this...

[SushiTheLegend]

Okay WTF...you people are going way off the matter at hand, all this talk about n00bz has nothing to do with what Icy is expressing, he is expressing that people, and yes I mean the majority of you children talk solely about OCG and nothing else, while OCG makes up a major factor in card making, so do the effect ideas and balanaceness and all that lovely good stuff, so think before you post and actually talk about more than just the first thing that comes to your childish mind.

 

I know I'm talking in some kind of old man context but it is simply to put the point across, if anyone was offended forgive me, but if you were offended by my above paragraph then obviously can't understand the principle of it all.

[v8561v]

But I just dislike it when noobs expect such a good rating when their card(s) totally suck. It gets me furious when they pm me saying that they deserved a better ranking. I try to be nice by giving 2/10's or maybe even 4/10's to them' date=' but quite frankly, not many members who make cards deserve higher rankings like 9/10's for card(s) that aren't really good. So the next time you see me give out nice 3/10's or 6.4/10's to cards while I give a logical explanation to make their card(s) some what adequate, don't come crying to me when you get what you deserve. (I'm not talking to the good members that make some decent cards)

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^I'm saying all above and:

Yes, I agree with the dishonest card rating (talking about that, what you don't like about Gluto >.<)

Also, ''newbies'' as you say, sometimes, can't be called by that.As you see my signature, I'm polite.With who deserves.Those ''newbies'' you call sometimes are reall nOObs, no offense, but,c'mon, it's true, some people we try, and try, and try to help but it looks like they ''want'' to do not hear.

Normally, I'm in a good mood, and I respect ''newbies'', because everybody was one here someday.But, when they really disrespect the famous and honored Yugioh dinasty (wow!), I can be so harsh that I could be banner with mere 15 words.

Also, there are some things:

-Deswombat4ever : Yes.60% of ''newbies'' rate high because of that.

-Dj Osiris: Sorry, but this idea will finish in ...crap.There will be nOObs that will say :'' Heh!mah friend likes dragons and he voted 10, so i can go to the good ocg section!!''.And then, this poor person will recieve lots of negative comments and flaming and then.... at least 20 negative reps, 1 person with its honor completely destroyed and 3 banned, being 2 nOObs and 1 Elite Mebmer.

 

I have to say: Yes, I don't like nOObs.Sorry, I'm not with my dictionary now, but I'll say I'm a nOOb racist.

I know what Icyblue is trying to say: yes, they're people and someday they can be a Mod, or a Super Mod, even a *Legend*but today, they're only nOObs.

And the first here who isn't warn me.

[Junk Raver]

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Anyway

 

Another point, mainly to the Main point;

 

 

It is true that most Judge and rate cards soley on OCG and Grammar, and not creativity and uniqueness, however there are reasons for that.

 

The Realistic section, is for realistic cards, that includes OCG and Grammar been correct / correct as they can be. Those that take that fact too seriously, go overboard and make it the Main aspect of the entire section.

 

That is why i want 2 sections, 1 where creativity can be looked at without been looked down upon, and one where people will judge soley on OCG / Grammar due to it been in the 'Experience' section.

 

It is true, that many create fantastic cards with really bad OCG / Grammar, if my section idea was introduced, those members would be graded on their ideas and not their writing.

 

 

However;

 

for the time being, it is safe to say my section idea will not be made, therefore you need to try and find other methods.

 

 

You could have suggested this sooner, and if anyone did, and i havent read it, i do apologise.

 

You could have suggested asking Myself and Browarod if we could introduce a rule for Realistic Cards about 'Grading and Rating' permissions.

 

For example, every thread posted includes certain permissions, and from those permissions, users can grade / rate the card from what the thread maker is allowing.

 

Further example for special people;

 

Say i say on the thread, 'Permissions: Allowed to rate on OCG / Grammar'

 

The members are allowed to rate and correct it.

 

or 'is allowed to give judgement on creativity' etc.etc.

 

 

Using Permissions, people will know what they can and cannot Judge / Rate / Comment on.

 

Members who strive for excellence can easyily say, do what you want, however members who feel attacked by the constant corrections could say 'rate on creativity and idea only', etc.

 

Hard work, but you know, could work.

 

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[v8561v]

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That is why i want 2 sections' date=' 1 where creativity can be looked at without been looked down upon, and one where people will judge soley on OCG / Grammar due to it been in the 'Experience' section.

 

It is true, that many create fantastic cards with really bad OCG / Grammar, if my section idea was introduced, those members would be graded on their ideas and not their writing.

 

 

However;

 

You could have suggested asking Myself and Browarod if we could introduce a rule for Realistic Cards about 'Grading and Rating' permissions.

 

For example, every thread posted includes certain permissions, and from those permissions, users can grade / rate the card from what the thread maker is allowing.

 

Further example for special people;

 

Say i say on the thread, 'Permissions: Allowed to rate on OCG / Grammar'

 

The members are allowed to rate and correct it.

 

or 'is allowed to give judgement on creativity' etc.etc.

 

 

Using Permissions, people will know what they can and cannot Judge / Rate / Comment on.

 

Members who strive for excellence can easyily say, do what you want, however members who feel attacked by the constant corrections could say 'rate on creativity and idea only', etc.

 

Hard work, but you know, could work.

 

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Yes, it will give a lot of work, but looking at this point of view, you can see a light.A weak light, but a light.With lots of work, but listen, LOTS OF WORK, this really could get onto something...

[Guest KAJN]

Well you see Dj your right but in the same time wrong.

Well OK correct our OCG we don't mind BUT FIRST ASK.

 

The other person: wrong OCG this is the right OCG:

When..........................

So I think you get the point. People must know that this is wrong because it's rude like taking something from someone without asking. Well yeah I guess it's like this. Doing this could get people into trouble which often is not wanted so if they ask we won't say no don't would give them a chance to correct it and then use it if it's good.

[v8561v]

Well you see Dj your right but in the same time wrong.

Well OK correct our OCG we don't mind BUT FIRST ASK.

 

The other person: wrong OCG this is the right OCG:

When..........................

So I think you get the point. People must know that this is wrong because it's rude like taking something from someone without asking. Well yeah I guess it's like this. Doing this could get people into trouble which often is not wanted so if they ask we won't say no don't would give them a chance to correct it and then use it if it's good.

 

Now you're focusing on another point.You're talking about the user's choises.

But, if you put these rules in action what will happen???There needs to have a certain punishment about all this.Because anyone can enter and say ''Hehe, a nOObs asking to comment just about -----.He's a nOOb, doesn't deserves any respect, blah, blah...''

Now, the problem is : the punishment.

A negative rep, in some cases, could cause a revenge rep, who will make our Mod's rep ''dirty''.If so, someone has to be turned on to neutralise the rep.But this can be against the rules.

Banning??No, it would cause lots of disatisfaction...

You decide, I'm just giving opinions :D

[Junk Raver]

Well you see Dj your right but in the same time wrong.

Well OK correct our OCG we don't mind BUT FIRST ASK.

 

The other person: wrong OCG this is the right OCG:

When..........................

So I think you get the point. People must know that this is wrong because it's rude like taking something from someone without asking. Well yeah I guess it's like this. Doing this could get people into trouble which often is not wanted so if they ask we won't say no don't would give them a chance to correct it and then use it if it's good.

 

You do realise all that was a Load of Nonsense, and saying I'm wrong when your nonsense point actually fitted into my idea, was quite contradictary.

 

You see.

 

If you want your OCG / Grammar corrected, with my idea you can say so via the permissions, and if you dont want it corrected, as your not bothered, you say so.

 

and for the Bolded bit, alot of people dont like the fact people jump in and correct OCG, it winds people up and is a main rudeness of this threads point, the only thing wrong here is your statement. Btw, you can also not say We, as you hardly stand for everyone.

[Buffer]

I have no idea but I'd sooner trust the rating of a more experienced member if a newbie (not n00b) rates my card I ignore it but because I really don't meen to hurt any one feelings I say some thing nice

[Guest JoshIcy]

well to interject between this lovely convo/discussion... I do have a personal disclaimer that I do use, but have a hard time deciding on whether or not to post it at the top so its read first or at the bottom so its read before the person rates..... which can be avoided because they have already read the card, which winds up in it not being read 2/3 times anyway....

 

(This may solve my problem/peeve but the general thing about what this thread is still bugging me and "possibly" other members.)

[Junk Raver]

Icyblue, do you think the permissions thing could help solve issue with ratings, and stop the rudeness which members feel that realistic cards is suffering from?

[Bloodrun]

icy >_>

 

how people rate cards

is their own business

there is no set way to rate a card

 

you know that >_>

 

and permission for what?

 

rating cards?

thats stupid

 

you put the card out there

for two things, post count

and ratings >_>

its another rule

we

do

not

need!

[Guest JoshIcy]

Icyblue' date=' do you think the permissions thing could help solve issue with ratings, and stop the rudeness which members feel that realistic cards is suffering from?

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It could help alot. So yes.

 

And Bloodrun, I know that yes. But its a difference for rudeness... OCG is merely the language of the card, not the core which is what this thread is getting at....