Death Metal Posted July 13, 2007 Report Share Posted July 13, 2007 Ok this is a huge dabate at my school what does the word hardcore mean? Ok so let me lay out our real life example. We have 2 groups argueing over this topic those groups are... 1) the metalist/juggalos (juggalos are poeple who listen to insane clown posse and other bands on their label). 2) the rappers (im in group 1 if your still wondering) WE think its ours because it involves killing and screaming your lungs out about death and hatred. Group 2 thinks its thiers because it has alot of cussing. WHOSE MUSIC IS MORE HARDCORE AND WHAT DO YOU CONSIDER AS HARDCORE? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor Cobra Posted July 13, 2007 Report Share Posted July 13, 2007 I have another definition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaco Posted July 13, 2007 Report Share Posted July 13, 2007 Hardcore (I don't think) has any adamant definition, so I'm pretty sure both could be considered Hardcore for different reasons. I've heard both Metal and Rap that I considered to be hardcore. (I'm actually more familiar with hardcore rap, since I basically grew up on Tupac and other rappers through my elementary years.) I consider early Three 6 Mafia to be hardcore specifically. Their more recent material isn't nearly as "hardcore". And besides those two categories (Metal and Rap) I've heard other hardcore genres of music, most surprisingly Classical music. Of course, not for its lyrical value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tkill93 Posted July 13, 2007 Report Share Posted July 13, 2007 A branch of underground/indie music influenced by faster abrasive punk rock. Originating in the early 80’s as a variant of punk rock, hardcore evolved to a modern sound that can be compared to non commercial metal. The constant themes range from Straight Edge, to Politics, to Positive and Negative. Hardcore is usually screamo/emo/trendXcore bands which i think all suck. In my opinion i can't really say any of you are hardcore >_> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaco Posted July 13, 2007 Report Share Posted July 13, 2007 A branch of underground/indie music influenced by faster abrasive punk rock. Originating in the early 80’s as a variant of punk rock' date=' hardcore evolved to a modern sound that can be compared to non commercial metal. The constant themes range from Straight Edge, to Politics, to Positive and Negative. Hardcore is usually screamo/emo/trendXcore bands which i think all suck. In my opinion i can't really say any of you are hardcore >_>[/quote'] Quite informative, but I think the term has evolved as a result of groups of people labeling bands "hardcore" as more of an "angry" sound, or something that involves a lot of killing or death. But that's just my understanding of the term. I suppose I don't have any actual information to back it up, besides people at my school. (which you obviously don't know) Although you don't consider me hardcore, because you think most hardcore bands suck, I'll take it as a compliment. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tkill93 Posted July 13, 2007 Report Share Posted July 13, 2007 I have 1 more thing to add. Why fight over majority considering you hardcore? That's so pointless. It shouldn't matter what other people think of a group. Cliques are pointless as well hang out with who you want and don't label people based on something they like or listen to.LikeGroup 1: Were hardcore!Group 2: Were hardcore!Group 1: Hey! You can't be hardcore! We are!Group 2: No were cool were hardcore!Group 1: It's our word we own it!Group 2: No we do!( Continues pointless argueing) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaco Posted July 13, 2007 Report Share Posted July 13, 2007 I have 1 more thing to add. Why fight over majority considering you hardcore? That's so pointless. It shouldn't matter what other people think of a group. Cliques are pointless as well hang out with who you want and don't label people based on something they like or listen to.LikeGroup 1: Were hardcore!Group 2: Were hardcore!Group 1: Hey! You can't be hardcore! We are!Group 2: No were cool were hardcore!Group 1: It's our word we own it!Group 2: No we do!( Continues pointless argueing) Oh, yes, I forgot about the whole not labeling people deal. But yeah, I agree completely. You don't have time trying to compete over meaningless titles, when you should be doing meaningful things, or at least things that make you happy. This argument can only lead to a dominance struggle, which is again, pointless. (what should happen *continued from tk)Group 1: Hmmmmm, okay fine you're hardcore and we're not, I hope that makes you feel a sense of accomplishment...Group 2: Really? Well... now I'm bored...Group 1: Wanna band together and create a big gang of hoodlums that vandalize things? Group 2: Wellllllllll, I suppose so, but we have to get home by 11, it that's not too much trouble for you, that is.Group 1: Of course it isn't too much trouble, vandalization doesn't take that long if you do it rightGroup 2: Well splendid, and the next morning we could share tea and discuss what other acts of vandalization we should commit. Group 1: Okay then, cheerio! Group 2: Cheerio to you until the morn!Group 3: Can I come too, I like to vandalize things?Groups 1 & 2: Well certainly, all of us hardcore groups are invited to vandalize!Groups 1, 2, & 3: Hurrah! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tkill93 Posted July 13, 2007 Report Share Posted July 13, 2007 (what should happen *continued from tk)Group 1: Hmmmmm' date=' okay fine you're hardcore and we're not, I hope that makes you feel a sense of accomplishment...Group 2: Really? Well... now I'm bored...Group 1: Wanna band together and create a big gang of hoodlums that vandalize things? Group 2: Wellllllllll, I suppose so, but we have to get home by 11, it that's not too much trouble for you, that is.Group 1: Of course it isn't too much trouble, vandalization doesn't take that long if you do it rightGroup 2: Well splendid, and the next morning we could share tea and discuss what other acts of vandalization we should commit. Group 1: Okay then, cheerio! Group 2: Cheerio to you until the morn!Group 3: Can I come too, I like to vandalize things?Groups 1 & 2: Well certainly, all of us hardcore groups are invited to vandalize!Groups 1, 2, & 3: Hurrah![/quote'] Haha, nice one Shaco xD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaco Posted July 13, 2007 Report Share Posted July 13, 2007 Lol, I may have gotten a bit carried away. I would be really freaked out if I saw this conversation actually take place, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NP Sage Posted July 13, 2007 Report Share Posted July 13, 2007 As would law ennforcement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Best Male 2008 Posted July 13, 2007 Report Share Posted July 13, 2007 my deff for it a core that is hard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poc Posted July 13, 2007 Report Share Posted July 13, 2007 if your relating this to music rap is definetly not hardcore. Its not even music. Real "Hardcore music is anything Along the lines of Metalcore, Thrashmetal, Deathmetal, and all that fun and headache inducing stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaco Posted July 13, 2007 Report Share Posted July 13, 2007 Well, like it has been said, there are many ways of defining "hardcore" Example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hardcore_rap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frunk Posted July 13, 2007 Report Share Posted July 13, 2007 My definition of Hardcore will not be posted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poc Posted July 13, 2007 Report Share Posted July 13, 2007 My definition of Hardcore will not be posted. I see where this is heading. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Slime Lord Posted July 13, 2007 Report Share Posted July 13, 2007 My definition of Hardcore will not be posted Hm, I thought it was a matter of time until someone said that. Or at least, hinted it :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frunk Posted July 14, 2007 Report Share Posted July 14, 2007 I see where this is heading.Hm' date=' I thought it was a matter of time until someone said that. Or at least, hinted it :P[/quote'] You're welcome! 8) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the Snakey Wolf Lord Posted July 15, 2007 Report Share Posted July 15, 2007 (what should happen *continued from tk)Group 1: Hmmmmm' date=' okay fine you're hardcore and we're not, I hope that makes you feel a sense of accomplishment...Group 2: Really? Well... now I'm bored...Group 1: Wanna band together and create a big gang of hoodlums that vandalize things? Group 2: Wellllllllll, I suppose so, but we have to get home by 11, it that's not too much trouble for you, that is.Group 1: Of course it isn't too much trouble, vandalization doesn't take that long if you do it rightGroup 2: Well splendid, and the next morning we could share tea and discuss what other acts of vandalization we should commit. Group 1: Okay then, cheerio! Group 2: Cheerio to you until the morn!Group 3: Can I come too, I like to vandalize things?Groups 1 & 2: Well certainly, all of us hardcore groups are invited to vandalize!Groups 1, 2, & 3: Hurrah![/quote'] Haha, nice one Shaco xD vandilazation? that is waaay too funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happybunny gogoboots Posted July 15, 2007 Report Share Posted July 15, 2007 my definition of hard core: an apple which is hard to bite in to Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Static Posted July 15, 2007 Report Share Posted July 15, 2007 My rant about teens who think their big: Hardcore is a type of music, usually reffering to rap or metal. It has NOTHING to do with wether your idol is "The game" or "Shaggy 2 Dope." If you think "hardcore" has anything to do with anything, then you need something better to argue over because no one cares if your hardcore. It doesn't make a difference, because if you don't grow up and you stay in that Game when you have to pay taxes, life's not gonna be too friendly. It's all just a fad and your gonna grow out of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SushiTheLegend Posted July 15, 2007 Report Share Posted July 15, 2007 My rant about teens who think their big: Hardcore is a type of music' date=' usually reffering to rap or metal. It has NOTHING to do with wether your idol is "The game" or "Shaggy 2 Dope." If you think "hardcore" has anything to do with anything, then you need something better to argue over because no one cares if your hardcore. It doesn't make a difference, because if you don't grow up and you stay in that Game when you have to pay taxes, life's not gonna be too friendly. It's all just a fad and your gonna grow out of it.[/quote'] Simply Q4E. But Hardcore in music relates mostly to Heavy Metal, Death Metal, and all that lovely HEAVY and HARDCORE stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Death Metal Posted July 16, 2007 Author Report Share Posted July 16, 2007 Well i guess i should post my definition so uhh here it goes... I define "hardcore" as, like static said, a type of music. A "hardcore" type of music would be heavy metal, death metal, black metal, and psychopathic rap (as i like to call it).Examples of bands would be icp,slipknot,twiztid,job for a cowboy,ect. well uh thats my definition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeGallo Posted July 16, 2007 Report Share Posted July 16, 2007 i dont think rappers are hardcore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quicksilver Posted July 16, 2007 Report Share Posted July 16, 2007 Hardcore is just an extremity of opinions, ideas and beliefs in a specific context. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Static Posted July 16, 2007 Report Share Posted July 16, 2007 i dont think rappers are hardcore Hardcore rap is rap that uses violent lyrics and heavy beats. It has nothing to do with the rapper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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