tonisanoob Posted May 30, 2008 Report Share Posted May 30, 2008 i have to agree with cheesy unless your gaurinteed victory dont use it against your opponent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tekken Ham Posted May 30, 2008 Report Share Posted May 30, 2008 Actually, ton and I (mostly ton) have been thinking of a Monarch Turbo. With Kuraz, Valleys, and a Macro build. Survivor and Scout Plane have great synergy with Kuraz and Valleys, and Kuraz might warrant use of 3 DDR's. And I agree with ton, if you can win by blowing up 2 cards, by all means go for it, it's just better when you kill your own cards for hand advantage, which is much needed in Monarchs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonisanoob Posted May 30, 2008 Report Share Posted May 30, 2008 the possibillities are endless it makes monarchs FUN to use Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benraino Posted May 30, 2008 Report Share Posted May 30, 2008 I agree with Redsceptile for the most part. However, I saw this fun build that used Kuraz to blow up their own cards like Sacred Pheonix od Nepyhts and Dark Coffin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tekken Ham Posted May 30, 2008 Report Share Posted May 30, 2008 the possibillities are endless it makes monarchs FUN to use Monarchs are already fun to use, do you know how fun it is to watch a school employee know he's going to lose to a middle schooler who's at his first tourney? And my dad ended up knowing that guy too, weird =/. Still, Macro Monarchs are already fun to use, alot of graveyard reliant decks are crippled by Macro Monarchs. Macro stops the graveyard, Monarchs offer an insane amount of control. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JesusofChaos™ Posted May 30, 2008 Report Share Posted May 30, 2008 macro will always be tier 2 but never below due to their anti meta status Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSceptile Posted May 30, 2008 Report Share Posted May 30, 2008 Lol @ geniuses at Pojo. Why would you give your opponent free cards if Kuraz can't attack same turn? If he already can't attack' date=' use him to blow himself and another card up to draw 2. You seriously need to L2play. And not from Pojo, from Metagame, or UDE, or any website with high level players with coherent brains. Why would you, clear the field, to give your opponent 2 cards, and not be able to attack with the 2400 beatstick you just summoned. We aren't trying to lucksack, we're saying that Kuraz is going to be a good draw engine for Monarchs because he gets his effect when special summoned and can blow up himself, and another card to get 2 cards. You're saying, you summon Kuraz, lolblowupfieldliekjudgement, give them 2 cards, and... and... AND...?! You just wasted a summon, gave your opponent 2 cards, and can't attack with a 2400 beatstick that you refused to blow up, even to get yourself one card, because he can blow up the field. Kuraz is like a good suicide bomber, you profit off of him killing himself, and profit again off of him being Special Summoned and blowing himself up again. L2monarchkthxbye. Especially in the presence of ton, he's one of the best Monarch users I know.[/quote'] God do you suck or what. If you can win that very same turn by getting rid of the cards you might as well do it. Use proper logic and stop being so god damn horrible. Their's a freaking OTK based around Kuraz which involves you drawing out your deck, and then using Kuraz to clear the field and have your OTHER MONSTERS swing for the game. Jesus christ. I've been playing with Monarchs probably longer than anyone on this site (including tonisanoob), hell I've probably been playing competitively longer than anyone on this site (with the exception of maybe Gravitize). Don't try and use your horrible arguments, try looking at the whole picture and insert some common sense. I'll say it again if I can clear away 2 cards to have a clear field for my OTK, why wouldn't I do it? Obviously Kuraz can't attack that turn but guesss what, this might be a shocker to you. Since it's an OTK, I probably have OTHER MONSTERS to attack my opponent's lifepoints for the game. But no wait you're right, I should obviously draw 2 and not win the game on that turn. Also who the hell normal summons Kuraz? That's like normal summoning Dark Magician of Chaos, it makes no damn sense. Also lol pojo's obviously bad, as is metagame (well it's not as bad) UDE is just a company. Thanks try again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tekken Ham Posted May 31, 2008 Report Share Posted May 31, 2008 You never said anything about OTK'ing, you only stated that we are all idiots that should have Kuraz blow up our opponent's field So anyway, you walked into a discussion, insulted everyone discussing Kuraz as a draw engine. Aaaand expect us to listen to you and agree with you. Nice, just nice. Sure I could've inserted some common sense and put 2 and 2 together to find the OTK. But with the insults and the even vaguer than the judges at UDE description, it was kind of hard. An OTK is possible, and I did acknowledge that, just, when it's stated in an argument and in the same argument, you start calling me an idiot because I don't see it, that's smart. Real, smart. Kuraz has potential, we are here to discuss that, not insulting other members by saying that we can't read to save baby seals, baby seals pwn. Penguins are better though, much, much better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSceptile Posted May 31, 2008 Report Share Posted May 31, 2008 You never said anything about OTK'ing' date=' you only stated that we are all idiots that should have Kuraz blow up our opponent's field So anyway, you walked into a discussion, insulted everyone discussing Kuraz as a draw engine. Aaaand expect us to listen to you and agree with you. Nice, just nice. Sure I could've inserted some common sense and put 2 and 2 together to find the OTK. But with the insults and the even vaguer than the judges at UDE description, it was kind of hard. An OTK is possible, and I did acknowledge that, just, when it's stated in an argument and in the same argument, you start calling me an idiot because I don't see it, that's smart. Real, smart. Kuraz has potential, we are here to discuss that, not insulting other members by saying that we can't read to save baby seals, baby seals pwn. Penguins are better though, much, much better.[/quote'] Hey guys don't forget that fact that you can Kuraz your opponent's field to clear away for OTKs. I mean it's not like that has ever been thought of right? >_> You were saying? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tekken Ham Posted May 31, 2008 Report Share Posted May 31, 2008 Did not see that, touche. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenzoTheHarpist Posted May 31, 2008 Report Share Posted May 31, 2008 IMO the only time you should attack your opponent with his effect is if they have stuff on the field that is an immediate and dangerous threat to you that you can't get rid of any other way. Like a "last chance" thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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