Black Rose Metal Dragon

[Auster]

Black Rose Metal Dragon

[FIRE] [Dragon/Fusion/Effect]

ATK/2800 DEF/2200  Level 9 

"Black Rose Dragon" + 1 Machine monster

When this card is Fusion Summoned: You can destroy all other cards on the field. Once per turn (Quick Effect): You can banish 1 Machine monster from either GY, then target 1 monster your opponent controls; its ATK becomes 0 until the end of this turn. If this card is removed from the field by your opponent's card effect: Special Summon 1 "Black Rose Dragon" from your GY (Special Summon is treated as a Synchro Summon).

[Zamazenta the OS-Tan Fan]

Cool Card.

[Kokoroshi]

13 hours ago, Auster said:

Black Rose Metal Dragon

[FIRE] [Dragon/Fusion/Effect]

ATK/2800 DEF/2200  Level 9 

"Black Rose Dragon" + 1 Machine monster

When this card is Fusion Summoned: You can destroy all other cards on the field. Once per turn (Quick Effect): You can banish 1 Machine monster from either GY, then target 1 monster your opponent controls; its ATK becomes 0 until the end of this turn. If this card is removed from the field by your opponent's card effect: Special Summon 1 "Black Rose Dragon" from your GY (Special Summon is treated as a Synchro Summon).

Interesting, LOVE the card art

[Darj]

I like this one. IDK where the concept comes from or if it is a thing in the anime, but I like what it does and I find it rather creative, even if a bit random to associate Black Rose Dragon with Machines. Is it a reference to Metalmorph?

[Auster]

On 8/29/2023 at 5:00 PM, Darj said:

I like this one. IDK where the concept comes from or if it is a thing in the anime, but I like what it does and I find it rather creative, even if a bit random to associate Black Rose Dragon with Machines. Is it a reference to Metalmorph?

Thanks - Yeah it was just a play on the Metalmorph Metal version of monsters, similar to Red Eyes Black Metal Dragon. Probably not got tons of utility beyond a Cyber deck for example. 

[Darj]

12 minutes ago, Auster said:

Thanks - Yeah it was just a play on the Metalmorph Metal version of monsters, similar to Red Eyes Black Metal Dragon. Probably not got tons of utility beyond a Cyber deck for example. 

Well, that's something you can decide on. For example, you could give this some effects that support Metalmporh or "Metal" monsters, like adding them to the hand, activating Metalmorph Traps directly from Deck or GY, etc.
Although, then it would have a bit too many effects IMO as it already has 3, so you would have to choose which kind of effects you want on it.

[Auster]

3 minutes ago, Darj said:

Well, that's something you can decide on. For example, you could give this some effects that support Metalmporh or "Metal" monsters, like adding them to the hand, activating Metalmorph Traps directly from Deck or GY, etc.
Although, then it would have a bit too many effects IMO as it already has 3, so you would have to choose which kind of effects you want on it.

True, but with most of the Metal monsters it's a loose thematic connection rather than a gameplay one. I think this is quite a cool boosted version of Black Rose that floats back into its synchro and can clear the field. Was thinking of making it a machine to be compatible with Power Bond, but may be a bit too much, what with the field wipe effect. 

[Darj]

If you Summon this with Power Bond, I would say you deserve to get the nuke on a 5600-ATK body, due to the setup it would require xD
I would be more concerned about Overload Fusion. As a Dragon it is already Summonable by Dragon's Mirror, but Overload has more support than Mirror.

[Zamazenta the OS-Tan Fan]

@Auster You know what this effect Once per turn (Quick Effect): You can banish 1 Machine monster from either GY, then target 1 monster your opponent controls; its ATK becomes 0 until the end of this turn. This should be that it also negates that targets effects just like Ipremm or effect vailer hell these even more cards that do this like the Synchro Monster in Swordsouls and puts its ATK/DEF to 0. Also why did you put a "When" in the effect of the Fusion Summon since that will likely miss timing instead of putting "If Fusion Summoned" as it won't mis the timing also instead of it destroying cards on the field why not make it like Zues where it wipes the field with the effect being destruction based where instead it says "Send all other cards on the field to the GY".

[Raikoh130]

21 hours ago, Zamazenta the OS-Tan Fan said:

@Auster You know what this effect Once per turn (Quick Effect): You can banish 1 Machine monster from either GY, then target 1 monster your opponent controls; its ATK becomes 0 until the end of this turn. This should be that it also negates that targets effects just like Ipremm or effect vailer hell these even more cards that do this like the Synchro Monster in Swordsouls and puts its ATK/DEF to 0. Also why did you put a "When" in the effect of the Fusion Summon since that will likely miss timing instead of putting "If Fusion Summoned" as it won't mis the timing also instead of it destroying cards on the field why not make it like Zues where it wipes the field with the effect being destruction based where instead it says "Send all other cards on the field to the GY".

Keeps it more in sync with the OG Black Rose Dragon. It too has the "When this card is Synchro Summoned" clause on it so it makes sense to follow suit with this card. Also, a complete board wipe effect should have the ability to miss timing, tbf.

On 8/29/2023 at 12:00 PM, Darj said:

I like this one. IDK where the concept comes from or if it is a thing in the anime, but I like what it does and I find it rather creative, even if a bit random to associate Black Rose Dragon with Machines. Is it a reference to Metalmorph?

Are you bloody kidding me? You gave me crap for my Monarch card for being "Unoriginal" and yet, you're praising this copy and paste effect? You're such a hypocrite. This thing does almost the same thing as Black Rose Dragon, but he changed a target effect and added a SS effect and made it a Fusion.

[Darj]

13 minutes ago, Raikoh130 said:

Are you bloody kidding me? You gave me crap for my Monarch card for being "Unoriginal" and yet, you're praising this copy and paste effect? You're such a hypocrite. This thing does almost the same thing as Black Rose Dragon, but he changed a target effect and added a SS effect and made it a Fusion.

Well, this is a Black Rose Dragon variant, that is what Black Rose Dragon does. I find it thematic, flavorful.

Meanwhile, your Monarch was almost a carbon copy of Ehther, while Ehther and Erebus are clearly different from each other and the classic Monarchs (the latter which, granted, do have similar effects), and are implied to stand at a higher position in their hierarchy, so it feels out of theme to have almost-copies of them. If Ehther and Erebus did the same things, then sure, I would have given you a pass since it would have gone in theme.

[Raikoh130]

3 hours ago, Darj said:

Well, this is a Black Rose Dragon variant, that is what Black Rose Dragon does. I find it thematic, flavorful.

Meanwhile, your Monarch was almost a carbon copy of Ehther, while Ehther and Erebus are clearly different from each other and the classic Monarchs (the latter which, granted, do have similar effects), and are implied to stand at a higher position in their hierarchy, so it feels out of theme to have almost-copies of them. If Ehther and Erebus did the same things, then sure, I would have given you a pass since it would have gone in theme.

You missed my entire point tho. This card is far from creative or tasteful as you claim it is. That is my point.

This card does the same exact thing as its Synchro counterpart and doesn't add anything too new to it, besides having a forced Fusion/Machine restriction added to the deck.

The Fusion should be more worthwhile to bring out. Ruby Rose Dragon hits the Graveyard and not the field, its actually a creative support that fits the theme as well, Makes it a different case when using Black Rose Dragon in different ways.

This card just does the same thing. Why work hard to nuke the field twice? Maybe the card should've hit the hand or something with its Fusion effect and maybe pop a monster or hit something in their GY or boost the ATK of BRMD instead of BRD's change the ATK to 0 effect. It'll still fit the theme without it being a carbon copy.

Konami also did that to Red-Eyes too many times so its really not as creative, tho it is Konami's fault for milking that too many times.

Don't get me wrong, not saying the card is bad or anything, I like it as well, or saying that my card is creative or anything. It still works with the theme but what I am saying as far as creativity goes, it's really not that creative. Hence why I called you out on it.

Also, yeah, my Monarch is being re-worked atm but trying to get it to not be a carbon copy of many other Monarchs. I took that advice seriously.

 

On 9/1/2023 at 11:32 AM, Darj said:

If you Summon this with Power Bond, I would say you deserve to get the nuke on a 5600-ATK body, due to the setup it would require xD
I would be more concerned about Overload Fusion. As a Dragon it is already Summonable by Dragon's Mirror, but Overload has more support than Mirror.

Btw, just letting you know that Overload Fusion and Power Bond do not work with this Fusion. Its a Dragon, not a Machine, so it doesn't work. 

[Darj]

3 minutes ago, Raikoh130 said:

Btw, just letting you know that Overload Fusion and Power Bond do not work with this Fusion. Its a Dragon, not a Machine, so it doesn't work. 

I know. That was my reply to the card creator pondering on changing the Type of the Fusion to Machine.

I agree the effect is not wildly creative, but, it kinda works for me. I like it, but that is just my opinion, I can enjoy simple things sometimes.
Furthermore, it seems this goes with the theme and design intentions of the card maker. As it said, it is more of a Metalmorph version of Black Rose Dragon, and so far all Metal monsters are variants with only higher ATK  (and awful summoning conditions that I would rather not replicate), so it makes sense to me for a Metal version of Black Rose to have effects resembling the original, albeit in this case with some adjustments to the Machine type, and an extra kick with the double nuke.

Sure, the card could do something else like negating cards/effects, discarding the opponent's hand, etc., but then it may as well be anything but a metal form of Black Rose Dragon.

Actually, I think it should be ok to turn it into a Machine, to further tie it to the Metal/Metalmorph series. Another thing to consider it is making it Summonable by Contact Fusion, even going as far for an ABC-Dragon Buster-like condition, or perhaps an alternative like the Thunder Dragons. Whether that would be a good idea or not, is something I cannot tell.

 

[Raikoh130]

1 hour ago, Darj said:

I know. That was my reply to the card creator pondering on changing the Type of the Fusion to Machine.

I agree the effect is not wildly creative, but, it kinda works for me. I like it, but that is just my opinion, I can enjoy simple things sometimes.
Furthermore, it seems this goes with the theme and design intentions of the card maker. As it said, it is more of a Metalmorph version of Black Rose Dragon, and so far all Metal monsters are variants with only higher ATK  (and awful summoning conditions that I would rather not replicate), so it makes sense to me for a Metal version of Black Rose to have effects resembling the original, albeit in this case with some adjustments to the Machine type, and an extra kick with the double nuke.

Sure, the card could do something else like negating cards/effects, discarding the opponent's hand, etc., but then it may as well be anything but a metal form of Black Rose Dragon.

Actually, I think it should be ok to turn it into a Machine, to further tie it to the Metal/Metalmorph series. Another thing to consider it is making it Summonable by Contact Fusion, even going as far for an ABC-Dragon Buster-like condition, or perhaps an alternative like the Thunder Dragons. Whether that would be a good idea or not, is something I cannot tell.

Oh oh oh, I get where you're getting at. I apologize for my previous rant. I didn't see you saw that as well and were trying to make it more creative. I take an L for that. My bad.

And yeah, I fully agree it should be a Machine-Type idea. That would be dope with a Metalmorph attachment to it. It'll give that card more life.

But I disagree with Metal Monsters being just higher ATK. Most are for sure, but "Red Eyes Darkness Metal Dragon" was a staple back then for Dragons for its busted effect at the time so that one gets a pass for being better than the others.