Cannon Seller [Written]

[Loleo]

Cannon Seller

level 6

FIRE

Fiend/Effect

2400/1000

If this card is Tribute Summoned: You can Special summon 1 monster from either GY. You can target any number of face-up monsters you control up to the number of cards your opponent controls; your opponent can Tribute a number of cards (including Spell or Traps) up to the number of monsters you targeted, then your opponent can take control of a number of monsters you targeted by this effect up to the number of monsters they Tributed, then they take damage equal to the combined ATK/DEF of the remaining targeted monsters on your field. You can only use each effect of "Cannon Seller" once per turn.

[Rayfield Lumina]

Ooof, what a tricky card. I like it, but I worry about its implications. You can very well obliterate your opponent in a bad moment, since the number of your self-monster targets is equal to the number of cards your opponent controls, not monsters, meaning that if your opponent controls, say, 3 Spell/Traps and you control 3 monsters...

You target 3 monsters. That means your opponent can Tribute up to 3 cards. They don't have monsters, so it's meaningless to Tribute their own cards, as the effect forces that it must be monsters the stuff Tributed so your opponent can take control of them. In that case, all 3 monsters remain on the opponent's field, which surely means automatic effect damage OTK. Perhaps I'm wrong and the effect damage only applies if the opponent takes control of at least 1 monster since the conjunction for that effect is then... IDK, this effect is rather problematic. I'll try to fix some details, for the time being, because I feel I'm missing something...

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f this card is Tribute Summoned: You can Special summon one 1 monster from either player's GY. You can target any number of face-up monsters you control up to the number of cards your opponent controls; your opponent can Tribute a number of cards they control up to the number of monsters you targeted, then your opponent can take control of a number of monsters you targeted by this effect up to the number of monsters they Tributed, then and if they do, they take damage equal to the combined ATK and DEF ATK/DEF of the remaining targeted monsters on your field as effect damage. You can only use each effect of "Cannon Seller" once per turn.

Orange part is the interesting boi here. That's more of a suggestion than a fix. With that wording, your opponent only takes damage if they managed to take control of your monster(s). This fixes the craziness of the example I mentioned earlier. Another fix would be to force monster-only interactions (you target mons up to the number of opponent mons) or allowing your opponent to take control of your mons regardless of the type of cards the opponent Tributes. I KNOW, you're giving mons to the opponent, kinda committing suicide in lots of cases, but that single card auto OTK I talked of before is too much danger.

Almost forgot, I crossed the "Tribute monsters they control" becauseit's a given in Tributing that the stuff you can Tribute is in your possession. There are exceptions to this, but when a card allows you to Tribute your opponent's cards, it is specified in the wording, like in Vampire Sucker's case, for instance.

[Loleo]

On 5/6/2022 at 7:18 PM, Rayfield Lumina said:

Ooof, what a tricky card. I like it, but I worry about its implications. You can very well obliterate your opponent in a bad moment, since the number of your self-monster targets is equal to the number of cards your opponent controls, not monsters, meaning that if your opponent controls, say, 3 Spell/Traps and you control 3 monsters...

Glad it got the ol' noggin spinin'

You target 3 monsters. That means your opponent can Tribute up to 3 cards. They don't have monsters, so it's meaningless to Tribute their own cards, as the effect forces that it must be monsters the stuff Tributed so your opponent can take control of them. In that case, all 3 monsters remain on the opponent's field, which surely means automatic effect damage OTK. Perhaps I'm wrong and the effect damage only applies if the opponent takes control of at least 1 monster since the conjunction for that effect is then... IDK, this effect is rather problematic. I'll try to fix some details, for the time being, because I feel I'm missing something...

I- this is my fault but after seeing a lot of Flunder cards I forgot tributing S/T wasn't standard... I sort of thought saying thay can tribute "cards" they control instead of monsters implied you can tribute S/T

Orange part is the interesting boi here. That's more of a suggestion than a fix. With that wording, your opponent only takes damage if they managed to take control of your monster(s). This fixes the craziness of the example I mentioned earlier. Another fix would be to force monster-only interactions (you target mons up to the number of opponent mons) or allowing your opponent to take control of your mons regardless of the type of cards the opponent Tributes. I KNOW, you're giving mons to the opponent, kinda committing suicide in lots of cases, but that single card auto OTK I talked of before is too much danger.

I have a hard to explain reasoning over why I chose the balancing the way I did, but with the above fix your opponent could just say no.

Almost forgot, I crossed the "Tribute monsters they control" becauseit's a given in Tributing that the stuff you can Tribute is in your possession. There are exceptions to this, but when a card allows you to Tribute your opponent's cards, it is specified in the wording, like in Vampire Sucker's case, for instance.

Yep! Will include all changes except the orange, and I have a neat way to clarify the effect (actually not really all that neat but does clarify)