The "Sin" Archetype (FINISHED PROJECT MOVED TO @Realistic Cards SECTION)

[PrinceAsmodeus]

It's been a while since I first posted my first custom archetype, the "Sin" Archetype.
This is my baby, my beauty, although it's flawed still. Nevertheless, let me introduce you to pure "banish this banish that" chaos.
And it all starts with the root of the archetype, the field spell.
(Edit: After I've sat down for a bit and worked up some combos and whatnot, I realize that while I got many cards that SS "Sin" monsters, some, if not most "Sin" monsters deny their own selves from Special Summoning. Examples include all 7 Sins, Beleth, Antharas and more. 
So, for each "Sin" monster that is not a Boss monster or Skyla, assume the following effect:
This card can only be Special Summoned by *insert card's original Summoning requirement here* OR by the effects of "Sin" cards)

Den of Sin
Field Spell


To be honest, I remade "Den of Sin" more than 3 times. And I wasn't fully satisfied with it's performance till now. 
But now I'm afraid it's a tad bit too strong. I'll let the people decide. Moving on.

Asmodeus, The Sin of Lust
Effect Monster



Belphegor, The Sin of Sloth
Effect Monster



Beelzebub, The Sin of Gluttony
Effect Monster



Leviathan, The Sin of Envy
Effect Monster



Lucifer, The Sin of Pride
Effect Monster



Mammon, The Sin of Greed
Effect Monster



Sathanus, The Sin of Wrath
Effect Monster



Abaddon, The Paragon of Sin
Effect Monster
The first "boss" monster of the Deck.



Birth of The Paragon
Normal Spell
The card that summons the boss monster. 



The Seven Princes of Hell, the Seven Sins. These were the first set of cards I made for this archetype.
Their effects don't really co-exist with the rest of the cards in this archetype, but they are extremely appropriate THEME wise.
Leviathan copying enemy monsters, envy. Sathanus coming back from the dead with more rage, meaning more power. Lucifer, eradicating everything weaker than him, pride. Etc, etc. The next set of cards however, are a bit more focused to the Banish theme, requiring you to banish things to activate them and/or banishing the enemy's cards. Let's begin.

Antharas, The Sinful Destroyer
Effect Monster
(I wonder which Dark World deck would spam this first)



Beleth, The Sinful Sorcerer
Effect Monster



Spirit of The Brimstone
Effect Monster



Spirit of The Plague
Effect Monster



Spirit of The Permafrost
Effect Monster



Spirit of The Storm
Effect Monster



Klodis, The Ambassador of Sin
Effect Monster



*The Next 2 Monsters are Boss monsters*
Eve of the Primordial Sin
Effect Monster


Adam of The Primordial Sin
Effect Monster


*Moving on*

Hellena, The Sinful Huntress
Effect Monster



Horribil, The Apostle of Sin
Effect Monster



Ixchtabal, The Sinful Nightmare AND Ixchtabal, Nightmare Incarnate
Effect Monsters






Kirinus, The Sinful Avenger
Effect Monster


 
Mardorias, The Sinful Abductor
Effect Monster



Micolash, The Messenger of Sin
Effect Monster



Orfen, The Sinful Predator
Effect Monster



Sin-hound
Effect Monster



Skyla, The Governor of Sin
Effect Monster



Valakas, The Sinful Dragon
Effect Monster



Zaken, The Sinful Swordsman
Effect Monster



Abel, The Primordial Martyr
Effect Monster *boss*



Well, that's it with all the Effect Monsters. Feedback, criticism and help with the descriptions or possible balancing is always appreciated. Now, on to the Spells/Trap cards.


Bound By Sin
Continuous Spell Card



Brimstone Dawn
Normal Spell Card



The Services of The Ferryman
Normal Spell Card



Immoral Convergence
Normal Spell Card



Primordial Fusion
Quick-Play Spell Card
(This card is always treater as a "Sin" card)



Primordial Massacre
Quick-Play Spell Card



River of Promotion
Normal Spell Card



Rank-Up-Magic Sinful Force
Quick-Play Spell Card



Rank-Up-Magic Primordial Force
Quick-Play Spell Card



Sinful Fountain
Continuous Spell Card



Sinful Ressurection
Normal Spell Card



Sinful Ritual
Normal Spell Card



Sinful Bargain
Normal Spell Card



Sinful Dogma
Quick-Play Spell Card




Confronting Sin
Normal Trap Card



Garden of Eden
Normal Trap Card



Hell's Necromancy
Continuous Trap Card



Paragon's Mandate
Counter Trap Card



Sinful Possession
Normal Trap Card



Sinful Destruction
Normal Trap Card



Tribunal of Sin
Counter Trap Card



And now, for the Extra Deck monsters. This includes Fusion/Xyz/Link. And at the end, I got 2 Pendulum monsters, but I made those just for the sake of making them.

Abaddon, The Awakened Sin
Fusion/Effect Monster *boss*



Cain, The Primordial Sinner
Fusion/Effect Monster *boss*



Lindvior, The Primordial Destroyer
Fusion/Effect Monster



Null, The Sinful Abomination
Fusion/Effect Monster



Berith, The Sinful Elemental
Fusion/Effect Monster



Theseus, The Sinful Titan
Xyz/Effect Monster



Baium, The Sinful Colossus
Xyz/Effect Monster



Chiron, The Sinful Goliath
Xyz/Effect Monster



Azazel, The Primordial Terror
Xyz/Effect Monster *boss*



Yvilnel, The Sinful Harbringer
Xyz/Effect Monster





The Sinful Choir
Link/Effect Monster



Evellion, The Sinful Banisher
Link/Effect Monster



Sinful Sprite
Normal/Pendulum Monster



Cerberus of Sin
Effect/Pendulum Monster


(Don't know whether you can use Pendulum cards as Normal Spells when you put them on scale)

Aaaand... That's it. Hope you like the content, and I would love to hear your critique and thoughts on it. I have no idea how to outro, so, make it sudden.

[Problamatico]

You really thought through this. I'd be scared to go against this. Check out my Dark Realm archetype 

[Loleo]

I will review the field spell and your favorite 10 cards, there is a lot here and would take a while to go through.

[PrinceAsmodeus]

3 hours ago, Loleo said:

I will review the field spell and your favorite 10 cards, there is a lot here and would take a while to go through.

I really can't pick any favorites. I would say maybe  Immoral Convergence, Lindvior, R-U-M Sinful and Primordial, Ixchtabal, but i can't pick more favs. Just take your time if you wish, or pick at random

 

[Ahmad Alzubi]

That's a huge archtype, any shortcuts to to go through it?

[PrinceAsmodeus]

2 hours ago, Ahmad Alzubi said:

That's a huge archtype, any shortcuts to to go through it?

To be completely honest, no. I understand that it's massive (and it got more, btw xD), so the point is to slowly take it in. Of course, it's not meant to be played all in 1 deck (though it could, Anime style), it got 2-3 angles to go about it. It's up to your mood if you are willing to read em slowly or just pick some. Although you must read the field, since everything revolves around it to pull combos and bring out the bigger boys

[Ahmad Alzubi]

On 3/6/2022 at 7:32 PM, PrinceAsmodeus said:

To be completely honest, no. I understand that it's massive (and it got more, btw xD), so the point is to slowly take it in. Of course, it's not meant to be played all in 1 deck (though it could, Anime style), it got 2-3 angles to go about it. It's up to your mood if you are willing to read em slowly or just pick some. Although you must read the field, since everything revolves around it to pull combos and bring out the bigger boys

OKay, I've started to read them slowly, but something came to my mind, since "so far" most of them have 0 def and have self distruction if turned to def. So, won't that make them an easy target for Buster Blader deck? https://www.masterduelmeta.com/tier-list/deck-types/Buster Blader
Since that deck can easily turn their Opponents into dragons, hence all dragons go to def and have their effects disabled!

I'm still reading and this might be a prejudice!

[PrinceAsmodeus]

8 hours ago, Ahmad Alzubi said:

OKay, I've started to read them slowly, but something came to my mind, since "so far" most of them have 0 def and have self distruction if turned to def. So, won't that make them an easy target for Buster Blader deck? https://www.masterduelmeta.com/tier-list/deck-types/Buster Blader
Since that deck can easily turn their Opponents into dragons, hence all dragons go to def and have their effects disabled!

I'm still reading and this might be a prejudice!

Well. It's just the gimmick of the deck to be honest. It ain't bad if a deck can counter it, i didn't mean to make it omnipotent in the first place xD But yeah, if Buster Dragon+Destroyer Swordsman pop on the field, I get pretty much locked out of my mons. I could attempt to burn his hand, but that would need specific cards and planning. Bad thing is, Destroyer cancel the effect of my mons getting destroyed, and that let's him attack, if i had an empty field he wouldn't be able to attack anyway. Damn, trying to think of things to break a BD+DS board is painful xD

 

[Ahmad Alzubi]

22 hours ago, PrinceAsmodeus said:

Well. It's just the gimmick of the deck to be honest. It ain't bad if a deck can counter it, i didn't mean to make it omnipotent in the first place xD But yeah, if Buster Dragon+Destroyer Swordsman pop on the field, I get pretty much locked out of my mons. I could attempt to burn his hand, but that would need specific cards and planning. Bad thing is, Destroyer cancel the effect of my mons getting destroyed, and that let's him attack, if i had an empty field he wouldn't be able to attack anyway. Damn, trying to think of things to break a BD+DS board is painful xD

 

Well, every deck should have a counter, otherwise the game will be stupid

But, I wanted to share this idea with you, since BB+BD is a natural counter for your deck

[PrinceAsmodeus]

6 hours ago, Ahmad Alzubi said:

Well, every deck should have a counter, otherwise the game will be stupid

But, I wanted to share this idea with you, since BB+BD is a natural counter for your deck

Also, I made an edit at the top that is important, so pay attention to it xD

 

[Loleo]

On 3/9/2022 at 12:54 AM, Ahmad Alzubi said:

OKay, I've started to read them slowly, but something came to my mind, since "so far" most of them have 0 def and have self distruction if turned to def. So, won't that make them an easy target for Buster Blader deck? https://www.masterduelmeta.com/tier-list/deck-types/Buster Blader
Since that deck can easily turn their Opponents into dragons, hence all dragons go to def and have their effects disabled!

I'm still reading and this might be a prejudice!

I'm actually wondering what happens first, them destroying themselves or their effects being negated because that matters.

[Ahmad Alzubi]

14 hours ago, Loleo said:

I'm actually wondering what happens first, them destroying themselves or their effects being negated because that matters.

BB says: "Change all Dragon monsters your opponent controls to Defense Position, also Dragon monsters in your opponent's possession cannot activate their effects."

PSCT says: "In "Do A, also do B", both A and B happen simultaneously. Neither is required for the other to occur."

Sin effects say: "If this card changed to face-up Defense Position; Destroy this card"

In terms of timing; the sin effect activates only """If""" something happen"ed", and since BB changes their position and shuts them simultaneously, so the "cannot activate their effects" occurs before "Destroy this card".

So I would like to think that BB will negate them first!!

[PrinceAsmodeus]

On 3/11/2022 at 7:51 PM, Ahmad Alzubi said:

BB says: "Change all Dragon monsters your opponent controls to Defense Position, also Dragon monsters in your opponent's possession cannot activate their effects."

PSCT says: "In "Do A, also do B", both A and B happen simultaneously. Neither is required for the other to occur."

Sin effects say: "If this card changed to face-up Defense Position; Destroy this card"

In terms of timing; the sin effect activates only """If""" something happen"ed", and since BB changes their position and shuts them simultaneously, so the "cannot activate their effects" occurs before "Destroy this card".

So I would like to think that BB will negate them first!!

Well good. It really does need a solid cockblock xD

 

[Booloomer]

Oh...wow. That's a lot of cards! I'll give a short review.

- One thing I thought was that Belphegor was imbalanced in terms of strength. Having 4500 attack by three turns on the field, and being destroyed if it is ever in face-up defense position, there's no debuff that really comes from having this card not attack, as you aren't really desperate while it only has 1500 attack. Unless you have something like Gravity Shift, with good spell/trap defense, this card is quite strong; almost too strong, in my opinion. Still weak to spells, though.

- If this is invalidated by other, later cards, ignore this, but I found Sathanus not making much sense. Moderate cost for very little reward. Ignore this if other cards can significantly suppor this.

[PrinceAsmodeus]

39 minutes ago, Booloomer said:

Oh...wow. That's a lot of cards! I'll give a short review.

- One thing I thought was that Belphegor was imbalanced in terms of strength. Having 4500 attack by three turns on the field, and being destroyed if it is ever in face-up defense position, there's no debuff that really comes from having this card not attack, as you aren't really desperate while it only has 1500 attack. Unless you have something like Gravity Shift, with good spell/trap defense, this card is quite strong; almost too strong, in my opinion. Still weak to spells, though.

- If this is invalidated by other, later cards, ignore this, but I found Sathanus not making much sense. Moderate cost for very little reward. Ignore this if other cards can significantly suppor this.

Well, these cards are the first i made of the archetype, and don't really sync with the rest of the archetype which is a heavy Banish archetype. Well, Belphegor can be too strong, but it's basically a dead card for 3 turns. 3 turns is A LOT to get rid of it. As for Sathanus, it's made to be an annoying, angry pest which always comes back.

[Booloomer]

"I always come back!"

Thanks for letting me know! Yeah, three turns is plenty of time to destroy Belphegor. I doubt Sathanus would be that annoying with spells to change it to defense position, though.

[hello Broadway]

man cloudians got one HELL of an upgrade, but jokes aside great arctype and really good balance. It seems like it would be a pretty good deck but not broken. and all the cards also have really nice flavor. the one suggestion i have with the arctype is The Services of The Ferryman could just be shorted to banish 1 "sin" monster that cannot be normal summoned or set, if you can't banish your entire hand. but yeah really cool and realy flavorful. great job

[PrinceAsmodeus]

On 3/21/2022 at 8:45 PM, hello Broadway said:

man cloudians got one HELL of an upgrade, but jokes aside great arctype and really good balance. It seems like it would be a pretty good deck but not broken. and all the cards also have really nice flavor. the one suggestion i have with the arctype is The Services of The Ferryman could just be shorted to banish 1 "sin" monster that cannot be normal summoned or set, if you can't banish your entire hand. but yeah really cool and realy flavorful. great job

Thanks a lot! I worked hard on it, and I still make more support haha. Still not sure if it would pass for the Realistic Cards section

 

[hello Broadway]

balance wise I think it would, but I have a sneaking suspicion konami wouldn't want to print an archtype based on sin and biblical demons 

[Problamatico]

On 3/25/2022 at 9:22 AM, hello Broadway said:

balance wise I think it would, but I have a sneaking suspicion konami wouldn't want to print an archtype based on sin and biblical demons 

They could do what the WWE did and make them PG

[Horu]

Mefisto, Mammon, Baphomet, Baal, Satan, Leviathan.... yeah, Konami totally wouldn't make cards based on sin and biblical demons.

[PrinceAsmodeus]

3 hours ago, Horu said:

Mefisto, Mammon, Baphomet, Baal, Satan, Leviathan.... yeah, Konami totally wouldn't make cards based on sin and biblical demons.

Meanwhile Konami also made Darklords, which have many biblical demons. Lmao

 

@hello Broadway @Problamatico @Loleo @Ahmad Alzubi So, do I post the archetype on Realistic Cards section? Still on the fence about it

[Horu]

I mean, if you're done workshopping the archetype, feel free to drop it in realistic.

[PrinceAsmodeus]

2 hours ago, Horu said:

I mean, if you're done workshopping the archetype, feel free to drop it in realistic.

Truth is, I have already posted a sub-archetype as an extension, or a new out to the archetype if you've seen it (if not, then:

And I still have many arts and many ideas for the archetype and more support. But let's be real, how much more can it take? It will be become a Blue-Eyes type of big archetype if I keep going and going. Also, I guess I need to retype most of them, to avoid confusion with edits on the post like I made here.

 

[Horu]

Careful not to let your archetypes span beyond 90 cards.

This is to count a full deck of 60 cards, a complete extra deck of 15 cards and full side deck of 15 cards. If your archetype surpasses the 90 card mark, it is fine as long as there is a valid reason. I just prefer it to be 90 cards or less.