Clown Sorceress which version is more balanced?

[Zamazenta the OS-Tan Fan]

Clown Sorceress

DARK/Spellcaster/Link/Effect

Link- 2

1800

2 Effect monsters with different names

You can only use 1 effect of this card's name per turn and only once that turn.

(1) Pay 1000 LP; Fusion Summon 1 Fusion Monster from your Extra Deck, using monsters from your hand or field as Fusion Material, then if 1 of the Fusion Materials you used is a Dragon or Spellcaster monster, except this card, you can also use 1 Dragon or Spellcaster from your Deck, and if you do that, for the rest of this turn after this effect resolves, you can only activate 1 monster effect in the GY.

(2) During your Main Phase or your opponent's Battle Phase (Quick Effect): You can banish this card you control; Special Summon 1 Link -2 Dragon or Spellcaster Monster from your Extra Deck, expect "Clown Sorceress", but that monster cannot activate it's effects this turn. (This is treated as a Link Summon.)

Clown Sorceress

DARK/Spellcaster/Link/Effect

Link- 2

1800

2 Effect monsters with different names

You can only use each effect of this card's name once per turn.

(1) You can pay 1000 LP; Fusion Summon 1 Fusion Monster from your Extra Deck, using monsters from your hand or field as Fusion Material, then if 1 of the Fusion Materials you used is a Dragon or Spellcaster monster, except this card, you can also use 1 Dragon or Spellcaster from your Deck, and if you do that, for the rest of this turn after this effect resolves, you can only activate 1 monster effect in the GY.

(2) If this card is sent to the GY as Link material: You can pay 2000 LP, then target 1 Fusion Monster that was Fusion Summoned with this card's effect; Special Summon all the Fusion Materials used for its Fusion Summon from your GY, but change their ATK/DEF to 0, also they have their effects negated.

[Loleo]

Equally balanced and balanced fairly well. I would personally prefer if you use the effect from the deck you can only special summon once after. and particularly funny is this works well with invoked (particularly my invoked fur hire with no GY effects). I can think of some really fun uses. Some ideas:

11 hours ago, Zefra Zamazenta said:

Clown Sorceress

DARK/Spellcaster/Link/Effect

Link- 2

1800

2 Effect monsters with different names

You can only use each effect of this card's name once per turn.

(1) You can pay 1000 LP; Fusion Summon 1 Fusion Monster from your Extra Deck, using monsters from your hand or field as Fusion Material, then if 1 of the Fusion Materials you used is a Dragon or Spellcaster monster, except this card, you can also use 1 Dragon or Spellcaster from your Deck, and if you do that, for the rest of this turn after this effect resolves, you can only Special Summon 1 monster.

(2) If this card is sent to the GY as Link material: You can pay 2000 LP, then target 1 Fusion Monster that was Fusion Summoned with this card's effect; Special Summon all the Fusion Materials used for its Fusion Summon from your GY, but change their ATK/DEF to 0, also they have their effects negated.

(3) During your opponent's Battle Phase (Quick Effect): You can banish this card from you GY, pay 2000 LP, and discard one card; Special Summon 1 Link -2 Monster from your Extra Deck, expect "Clown Sorceress", but that monster cannot activate it's effects this turn unless it was a Dragon or Spellcaster (This is treated as a Link Summon), then, end the battle phase.

I know you were trying to take the advice and use less effects, but I'm going to take the guilty pleasure and make all 3 work.

[Zamazenta the OS-Tan Fan]

2 hours ago, ITSUKOSOADO said:

Equally balanced and balanced fairly well. I would personally prefer if you use the effect from the deck you can only special summon once after. and particularly funny is this works well with invoked (particularly my invoked fur hire with no GY effects). I can think of some really fun uses. Some ideas:

I know you were trying to take the advice and use less effects, but I'm going to take the guilty pleasure and make all 3 work.

Okay Thanks also please then limit it to using 1 effect that turn and only once that turn then

[Loleo]

Clown Sorceress

DARK/Spellcaster/Link/Effect

Link- 2

1800

2 Effect monsters with different names

You can only use 1 effect of this card's name per turn and only once that turn.

(1) You can pay 1000 LP; Fusion Summon 1 Fusion Monster from your Extra Deck, using monsters from your hand or field as Fusion Material, then if 1 of the Fusion Materials you used is a Dragon or Spellcaster monster, except this card, you can also use 1 Dragon or Spellcaster from your Deck, and if you do that, for the rest of this turn after this effect resolves, you can only Special Summon 1 monster.

(2) If this card is sent to the GY as Link material: You can pay 2000 LP, then target 1 Fusion Monster that was Fusion Summoned with this card's effect; Special Summon all the Fusion Materials used for its Fusion Summon from your GY, but change their ATK/DEF to 0, also they have their effects negated.

(3) During your opponent's Battle Phase (Quick Effect): You can banish this card from you GY, pay 2000 LP, and discard one card; Special Summon 1 Link -2 Monster from your Extra Deck, expect "Clown Sorceress", but that monster cannot activate it's effects this turn unless it was a Dragon or Spellcaster (This is treated as a Link Summon), then, end the battle phase.

[Kanashimi]

First of all, congratulations, first time seeing you make a card with less than 5++ effects 

Let's take a look deeper into the card

15 hours ago, Zefra Zamazenta said:

Clown Sorceress

DARK/Spellcaster/Link/Effect

Link- 2

1800

2 Effect monsters with different names

You can only use 1 effect of this card's name per turn and only once that turn.

(1) Pay 1000 LP; Fusion Summon 1 Fusion Monster from your Extra Deck, using monsters from your hand or field as Fusion Material, then if 1 of the Fusion Materials you used is a Dragon or Spellcaster monster, except this card, you can also use 1 Dragon or Spellcaster from your Deck, and if you do that, for the rest of this turn after this effect resolves, you can only activate 1 monster effect in the GY.

(2) During your Main Phase or your opponent's Battle Phase (Quick Effect): You can banish this card you control; Special Summon 1 Link -2 Dragon or Spellcaster Monster from your Extra Deck, expect "Clown Sorceress", but that monster cannot activate it's effects this turn. (This is treated as a Link Summon.)

Before we begin, i want to ask, the card name is "Clown Sorceress", Spellcaster-Type, the art depicts Hatsune Miku (from Karakuri Pierrot song), with a flat city, cards etc, soo, care to give me some explanation to a dummy brain like myself, why the effects related to a Dragon? I see no dragon anywhere on the card, lorewise.

Okay first effect, Shaddoll love this, Magistus, Dark Magician, Despia, also Odd-Eyes somehow can use it, restriction put is it due to Shaddoll? Because i see it that way.

Second effect, well . . . not that knowledgeable regarding Link Monster in the card pool myself, but the scary part is that this card can bypass some Link-2 that has specific material to Summon and has Quick Effects, example here Double Dragon Lords, Unchained Soul of Rage, even Halqifibrax.

Overall i think this is okay? Strong card indeed, but can't really say it is balanced.

15 hours ago, Zefra Zamazenta said:

Clown Sorceress

DARK/Spellcaster/Link/Effect

Link- 2

1800

2 Effect monsters with different names

You can only use each effect of this card's name once per turn.

(1) You can pay 1000 LP; Fusion Summon 1 Fusion Monster from your Extra Deck, using monsters from your hand or field as Fusion Material, then if 1 of the Fusion Materials you used is a Dragon or Spellcaster monster, except this card, you can also use 1 Dragon or Spellcaster from your Deck, and if you do that, for the rest of this turn after this effect resolves, you can only activate 1 monster effect in the GY.

(2) If this card is sent to the GY as Link material: You can pay 2000 LP, then target 1 Fusion Monster that was Fusion Summoned with this card's effect; Special Summon all the Fusion Materials used for its Fusion Summon from your GY, but change their ATK/DEF to 0, also they have their effects negated.

Now begin into ver. 2

First effect same, explained above.

Second effect, so strong, so if i understand correctly, you fuse > summon fusion > link summon this card with something else, free 2 bodies, changing their stat to 0 and negated their effects doesn't matter, they can just become fodder for another Link/Synchro/Xyz.

Overall this is more stronger than the first one, imo. Because succesfully activate those effects, you can ladder yourself some Link-4 + 1 free unused body.

1 hour ago, ITSUKOSOADO said:

Clown Sorceress

DARK/Spellcaster/Link/Effect

Link- 2

1800

2 Effect monsters with different names

You can only use 1 effect of this card's name per turn and only once that turn.

(1) You can pay 1000 LP; Fusion Summon 1 Fusion Monster from your Extra Deck, using monsters from your hand or field as Fusion Material, then if 1 of the Fusion Materials you used is a Dragon or Spellcaster monster, except this card, you can also use 1 Dragon or Spellcaster from your Deck, and if you do that, for the rest of this turn after this effect resolves, you can only Special Summon 1 monster.

(2) If this card is sent to the GY as Link material: You can pay 2000 LP, then target 1 Fusion Monster that was Fusion Summoned with this card's effect; Special Summon all the Fusion Materials used for its Fusion Summon from your GY, but change their ATK/DEF to 0, also they have their effects negated.

(3) During your opponent's Battle Phase (Quick Effect): You can banish this card from you GY, pay 2000 LP, and discard one card; Special Summon 1 Link -2 Monster from your Extra Deck, expect "Clown Sorceress", but that monster cannot activate it's effects this turn unless it was a Dragon or Spellcaster (This is treated as a Link Summon), then, end the battle phase.

Let's take a look at Itsu ver.

First effect, now it kills it, can only Special Summon 1 monster for the rest of this turn kills any potential combo this card can do.

Second effect same, explained above.

Third effect, i see you change the banish effect to the GY instead of you control, but Dogmatika Punishment exist, you can just dump this and free Link-2 with pay LP and discard, kinda cheaper cost for a free body that can bypass any material limitation to say, Double Dragon Lords requiring all Beast-Warriors, now all Deck can access the 3rd effect by using Dogmatika Punishment.

Overall, it's unrealistic to activate the 2nd effect, due to "You can only use 1 effect of this card's name per turn and only once that turn.", because 2nd effect need a Fusion Monster that is exactly summoned using "this card". means using the card 1st effect, while the card can only activate 1 effect per turn, unless you want to dedicate yourself of protecting this card until your next turn which is counterproductive. I mean that way, just run normal poly lol.

I think this ver, change the core idea of the card itself, Fusion effect is just to restrictive of only able to SS 1 time for the turn, while the 2nd effect need this card to survive opponent's whole turn, people will hardly use it, and now people will use this card solely for the GY banish via Dogmatika Punishment > Link-2.

Last words, my suggestion, taking the 1st version, on the 2nd eff. restrict on how many this card can summon, maybe something that has generic material instead.

[Loleo]

4 minutes ago, Erika Mishima said:

Before we begin, i want to ask, the card name is "Clown Sorceress", Spellcaster-Type, the art depicts Hatsune Miku (from Karakuri Pierrot song), with a flat city, cards etc, soo, care to give me some explanation to a dummy brain like myself, why the effects related to a Dragon? I see no dragon anywhere on the card, lorewise.

Good question I'm curios also.

Okay first effect, Shaddoll love this, Magistus, Dark Magician, Despia, also Odd-Eyes somehow can use it, restriction put is it due to Shaddoll? Because i see it that way.

As I said before, invoked and Red-Eyes also (I think Red-Eyes [Dragoon] was the core intent)

Second effect, well . . . not that knowledgeable regarding Link Monster in the card pool myself, but the scary part is that this card can bypass some Link-2 that has specific material to Summon and has Quick Effects, example here Double Dragon Lords, Unchained Soul of Rage, even Halqifibrax.

It says that the summoned monster can't activate it's effects that turn, not to mention it can only be a spellcaster or dragon (even double dragon lords is a beast warrior)

Overall i think this is okay? Strong card indeed, but can't really say it is balanced.

Now begin into ver. 2

First effect same, explained above.

Second effect, so strong, so if i understand correctly, you fuse > summon fusion > link summon this card with something else, free 2 bodies, changing their stat to 0 and negated their effects doesn't matter, they can just become fodder for another Link/Synchro/Xyz.

Overall this is more stronger than the first one, imo. Because successfully activating those effects, you can ladder yourself some Link-4 + 1 free unused body.

Agreed

Let's take a look at Itsu ver.

First effect, now it kills it, can only Special Summon 1 monster for the rest of this turn kills any potential combo this card can do.

How about 3 SS?

Second effect same, explained above.

Third effect, i see you change the banish effect to the GY instead of you control, but Dogmatika Punishment exist, you can just dump this and free Link-2 with pay LP and discard, kinda cheaper cost for a free body that can bypass any material limitation to say, Double Dragon Lords requiring all Beast-Warriors, now all Deck can access the 3rd effect by using Dogmatika Punishment.

Great point, but that is 2 cards [a trap and discard], an extra deck slot, and 2000 LP for a Link 2. Mine also ends the battle phase hmmm. Maybe can only be used if it was properly summoned?

Overall, it's unrealistic to activate the 2nd effect, due to "You can only use 1 effect of this card's name per turn and only once that turn.", because 2nd effect need a Fusion Monster that is exactly summoned using "this card". means using the card 1st effect, while the card can only activate 1 effect per turn, unless you want to dedicate yourself of protecting this card until your next turn which is counterproductive. I mean that way, just run normal poly lol.

I agree and especially with my limitation from the first effect (even if I change it to 3 SS) I think it would be a good idea to say once per effect not only 1 effect and put the restriction on the number of monsters you can summon.

I think this ver, change the core idea of the card itself, Fusion effect is just to0 restrictive of only able to SS 1 time for the turn, while the 2nd effect need this card to survive opponent's whole turn, people will hardly use it, and now people will use this card solely for the GY banish via Dogmatika Punishment > Link-2.

Do you think my proposed altercations fix this (and yes I agree this changes how the card works from its very core)

Last words, my suggestion, taking the 1st version, on the 2nd eff. restrict on how many this card can summon (maybe 2 or 3 max?), maybe something that has generic material instead.

Yeah the Link 2 SS is strong hmmmm maybe you banish the link monster and the materials from your GY for the link 2?

 

[Kanashimi]

6 hours ago, ITSUKOSOADO said:

 

Because i can't quite quote you due to you anwsering inside my quotation, i will respond to some

1) "It says that the summoned monster can't activate it's effects that turn, not to mention it can only be a spellcaster or dragon (even double dragon lords is a beast warrior)"

Ah yes, but still, the card pool will grow and eventually we are going to have a good Dragon/Spellcaster Link-2 with quick effects, also, able to tag into Dragon/Spellcaster means giving a generic deck access to a Dragon/Spellcaster Link-2 for laddering into that type specific material of Link-3/4

2) "How about 3 SS?"

Sounds okay for me

3) "I agree and especially with my limitation from the first effect (even if I change it to 3 SS) I think it would be a good idea to say once per effect not only 1 effect and put the restriction on the number of monsters you can summon."

"Do you think my proposed altercations fix this (and yes I agree this changes how the card works from its very core)"

"Yeah the Link 2 SS is strong hmmmm maybe you banish the link monster and the materials from your GY for the link 2?"

Let's not forget this card is a generic Link-2 card, support fusion in general and have access to so many cards while having more than 2 effects is a no go, at least for me.