Isn't this forum supposed to be fun?

[Guest Star]

Personally, I think the crediting rules and the tag rules are very strict. They should be less strict.

 

Seriously, the attitude of people like Dj has changed so much since these rules were created.

 

Sure, tags are make it much easier to see an image, but does that mean that a member has to get yelled at for making a mistake?

 

Yesterday I posted a card that had an image I created on it. I didn't know that you had to credit yourself for an image, but I didn't get informed nicely, I got yelled at.

 

I think these rules are a good idea, but they should be less strict. Ease up a little.

 

What do you think?

[Kaitou Kid]

I think these rules are a good idea' date=' but they should be less strict. Ease up a little.

What do you think?

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Q4E

 

I mean if you make a mistake its a mistake but to get yelled at is no longer a mistake it is a fellon.(Did i spel it wright?)

[Parting Shot]

Well, I believe the IMG tag rules are purely for ease of viewing and commenting, which is why it's only been instituted in the Realistic section.

 

But, I agree, just because someone makes a mistake does not mean they should be yelled at or derided.

[Kaitou Kid]

Yes but if someone dosent use it they are getting yelled at whe instead they could just explain to them what to do.

 

EDIT:Agreed

[Flame Dragon]

The whole credit thing I find just stupid. If some one puts pics on the internet, they should know some one, some where will use them. If they don't want you using them, than they should just ask you to remove it. Personally if some one used my pic, I wouldn't be mad, I'd be happy as hell, because of the pics they might have seen, they like mine the best.

 

Since all you need to do is click on the card to get and tag, it really should be used, but the people yelling at those who don't is just to much (even if I have done that once or twice in the past).

[TAG]

Personally if some one used my pic' date=' I wouldn't be mad, I'd be happy as hell, because of the pics they might have seen, they like mine the best.

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Take note that not all the pics used on the cards here even qualify as decent.

 

Anyways, i think the rules are fine. I think it's just that members (myself included somethimes, i think) are too harsh on new members for accidentally breaking these rules (even though they SHOULD read them).

[Flame Dragon]

Personally if some one used my pic' date=' I wouldn't be mad, I'd be happy as hell, because of the pics they might have seen, they like mine the best.

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Take note that not all the pics used on the cards here even qualify as decent.

True, but the fact that they are using them is because they liked them for what ever reason. Plus I don't think any would make a card just to make fun of a pic.

[Kaitou Kid]

(even though they SHOULD read them).

 

Yes the should BUT They just dont know how so they ujse attachments and they are yelled at.And we have all been harsh on new members(Me the most if anthing)

 

 

 

And if I found my art on someone elses creations like a card or a screenpack ect. I would be honered but some people arnt like that. Out of every member Kaze relized that the most.

[TAG]

(even though they SHOULD read them).

 

Yes the should BUT They just dont know how so they ujse attachments and they are yelled at.And we have all been harsh on new members(Me the most if anthing)

 

 

 

And if I found my art on someone elses creations like a card or a screenpack ect. I would be honered but some people arnt like that. Out of every member Kaze relized that the most.

I believe there have been more than enough topics about how to use IMG tags, am I not correct?

[Kaitou Kid]

(even though they SHOULD read them).

 

Yes the should BUT They just dont know how so they ujse attachments and they are yelled at.And we have all been harsh on new members(Me the most if anthing)

 

 

 

And if I found my art on someone elses creations like a card or a screenpack ect. I would be honered but some people arnt like that. Out of every member Kaze relized that the most.

I believe there have been more than enough topics about how to use IMG tags' date=' am I not correct?

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Yes But They Are NEW!They wouldnt know where to find it they would just make cards(Posibbly inapropriate)And Post Them using atachments.

[Tkill93]

I dislike the rule. You too lazy to click the links? Too bad for you, go to some other thread.

 

We all know how much work it is to click one link! I mean all of that effort?

 

I say leave the kids be, and let em post their cards the way they want. If people are complaining about them not being images they should be punished and told not to spam, not the people doing absolutely nothing wrong.

[Wyhe]

The forum should be fun,but with spammer attacks,the mods & anyone who wanted to enjoy lost that enjoyment for the big picture (somewhat like Jaden's situation)

Hope we can find the joy in this site again somehow

[Kaitou Kid]

I dislike the rule.

 

I dissagree i mean if some1 is just posting a card let them post it like that AS LONG AS WE SEE THE THUMBS!

 

If we dont then it could be porn in disquise?

[Mew 101]

It's so we can get people to stop being so lazy & work to get the cards put up. As for crediting your delf, just tell them You made it.

[Wyhe]

Also tell newbs not to spam,espcially pornograghic stuff.

[bozotehpwns]

Also tell newbs not to spam' date='espcially pornograghic stuff.

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Yeah because telling people not to do something always works...

[Wyhe]

Also tell newbs not to spam' date='espcially pornograghic stuff.

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Yeah because telling people not to do something always works...

I know!Do I look like a 12 year old retard to you? (well,my brother does & is one himself)

[Falling Pizza]

You are 100% correct. Members, especially younger ones, tend to get out of hand on people for making mistakes. YCMaker has advocated several times that members seize these actions, but apparently he has not been successful.

 

Please, report posts that are insulting and flaming regarding accidental rule-breaking. These posts are just as, if not more harmful than blatant spam posts.

[Wyhe]

You are 100% correct. Members' date=' especially younger ones, tend to get out of hand on people for making mistakes. YCMaker has advocated several times that members seize these actions, but apparently he has not been successful.

 

Please, report posts that are insulting and flaming regarding accidental rule-breaking. These posts are just as, if not more harmful than blatant spam posts.

[/quote']

Roger!I will do what I can. (which is very little)

[Enigma Zero]

Disclaimer:

The following comments and opinions are not intended in any way, shape, or manner to be an attack against any 1 person. They are merely my take on the situation and questions presented in this thread and are to be taken as such. If you are easily angered or offended...I'd stop reading right about now if I were you. ;)

 

I see several things wrong with this thread, as well as the events that obvioulsy lead to it's creation. IMHO, had the events of the other post never transpired then we would not even be reading or discussing this topic. It was generated purely as retaliation for a specific instance.

 

I'm going to go out on a limb here since I'm only a member and guess that the rules in question were proposed and discussed by the Mods and Admins before they were implimented since that's the only logical way a forum could operate. If this is the case then no Mod should be unfamiliar with them and any conflicts arising from such rules should have been clarified before the proposal was made into an official forum rule. If I am correct so far...then this thread shouldn't even exist because nobody should have been suprised when said rule was enforced.

 

The other point on this one is something I see alot on this forum that I would strongly suggest not ever happen again. Mods are held to a higher standard on a forum than that of the members. They are the example that, in theory, the regular membership are supposed to follow. This is why conflict of any kind in the open areas of the forum should never occur. The proper way to resolve such conflicts is to make posts in the Mod forums to have the issue resolved before it turns into an argument or to, at the very least, have that argument in the Mod forums where the membership cannot see it. Even if some of the mods can't stand one another for breathing...they should at least put on the face of a unified front towards the operation and betterment of this forum. It doesn't have to be true...it has to appear to be true. When one Mod's dissagreement with the practices of another Mod or disreguard of the rules becomes public knowledge it undermines the authority and credibility of both and causes the membership to question why they should bother following the rules in the 1st place. I know it's not the most fair system, but this is how it works and the Mods should be more than aware of this system. I'm not exactly spouting off some kind of revultionary concept here.

 

In defense of the Mods enforcing these rules in the Realistic Cards Forum, I have yet to see someone actually be "yelled at" unless they made comments in retaliation beyond the basic comment to check the rules thead on how the forum worked. In most cases, it is the membership that goes above and beyond what is called for in actually "yelling at" others. This is something that should be stopped as well.

 

This time, however, things did not occur as they normally do in the Realistic Cards Forum. It's obvious to anyone who can read that there is a deeper rooted issue than the one being presented here. Again, it's the kind of issue that should never appear on the open forums for the membership to see and should have been handled differently. There is no innocent party in this conflict as I see it. At the very least the entire situation could have been resolved had the original artist posted a link to their showcase thread in which they had the image in question on display to show that it was their own work.

 

Another thing that occurred in this thread was the inclusion of another Mod into the equation. Mods are Mods and as such are all equal in power. This is how it usually works. In the event of a conflict or dissagreement on policy, the Mods should go to the next highest power for a ruling. On this forum, considering it's structure, that would either be a Super Mod or the Admin. In the event that both cannot be reached then the next logical step in this process would be to start a discussion thread in the Mod Forums(away from the membership) where all Mods would have a chance to voice their opinion on the matter and come to some kind of temp solution to the problem(which could be agreed/dissagreed with by someone of a higher rank). Again, and I cannot stress this enough, it should not be on display in the open forums for the membership. It causes way more problems than it resolves.

 

Another thing I've seen on these forums recently is that when an incident like this occurs it remains on the forums for everyone to read. This practice should be stopped. Conflict is, in effect, as useless as spam. Nine times out of ten it serves no purpose on the forums and, as such, should be removed from the affected threads at the earleist oppertunity. Either cut the posts from the thread and transfer them to a thread in the Mod Forums for review...or delete them. This action depends on the preference or policies put down by the Super Mods/Admins on how to handle such a situaiton. If no ruling exists then I would suggest moving the posts because it's just good to be on the "safe side" as opposed to taking a risk and destroying evidence on a situation. The main thing here is to get it out of the public eye before it causes more damage than it already has done by being on the open forums in the first place.

 

Also, since I am one of the people on this forum who does, from time to time, create my own artwork I thought i would weigh in on the situation. For me it's not an inconvenience for me to say that I did something so much as it is both being proud of my own work and letting people know that it's mine so they shouldn't use it in their own works without my permission(which I usually don't give but other choose to do). And in all honesty from what I've been told, the image in question here wasn't really made by the person who created the thread. It was a collaboration to create the background, boarder, and a crop image(it's not a render) taken from another site. When I asked the question about crediting artwork it was explained to me that in order for it to be your artwork...you had to make it. Not even 50% of the image was created by the person claiming the entire image. When I take credit for artwork I did...I did it. At the very least, I might use a few small pieces(since I'm predominantly a spriter) from an existing sprite but we're literally talking about maybe using an eye or a shoulder because I can't get the shape to look right. Even after that I've gone completely over the image with, at the very least, editing and a recolor before I remove the piece. So, essentially, it's a stencil or guide used in my work. So, IMHO, using an entire Image/Crop as a large portion of your work doesn't make the image yours and should require you to credit the actual artist for their contribution to your "arrangement." This is not intended as an attack towards the person who made this mistake nor is it a singular instance since I see people doing this all the time. It is, however, something I would like to see carved more into stone to prevent such events from happening in the future.

 

Finally, it is my strong urging that a Super Mod/Admin review the thread in question and this thread, come to a conclusion on the matter, and then remove both this thread and the conflict in the other thread from public view. I know it's a little late to be running "damage control" but it's better late than never. I do, however, hope that some official rulings and additions to policy come out of this unfortunate series of events.

 

And I've typed way too much on this subject as it is so I'm going to stop now. If you've actually taken the time to read this then you have my thanks. I understand fully that I'm very longwinded, but I believe that what I had to post needed to be read. Thanks for your time. :D

[Cyber Altair]

dammit Enigma, there should be a rule to the size of a post lol.

 

anyway i will try ease up on my harshness, i'll return to be the joker everyone likes ^_^. but i'll still post a lot lol.

[Parting Shot]

~Closed for Review~

 

-Darth

[Tkill93]

I see no reason for this to be reviewed, as it is still an open discussion. If you disagree PM me.

 

-Tkill.

 

I dislike the rule.

 

I dissagree i mean if some1 is just posting a card let them post it like that AS LONG AS WE SEE THE THUMBS!

 

If we dont then it could be porn in disquise?

 

Oh yes' date=' because theres a [i']HUGE[/i] difference if someone's posting porn in links or in images. It's even worse if it's in image form.

[Guest Star]

I don't think that members deserve to be yelled at for making a mistake.

[Purple Dinosaur]

I always thoguht this forum was for fun. When I returned, everything seemed... Different than before.