"Umi" Support Cards

[Dan Moe]

Don't know how this works really, but here are some cards I thought would be cool. (I used to love "A Legendary Ocean" decks and thought they could use some more of that love.)

[Tinkerer]

Oh nice, "Umi" support! That's a real classic!

Hey @Rayfield Lumina, what do you think?

Rayfield really likes Umi and WATER-based strategies; maybe he could give you some pointers for your cards?

Just a note: if you are going to post the card images, try to also write down the effects of the cards afterwards (sometimes it's difficult to read the text when it's on a picture).

Cheers!

[Dan Moe]

Hey thanks for the reply!! :)

Good point about the card text, I'll be sure to do that next time.  And yay I'm always glad when other people like Umi and Water cards!! :D

[Rayfield Lumina]

11 hours ago, Tinkerer said:

Hey @Rayfield Lumina, what do you think?

Rayfield really likes Umi and WATER-based strategies; maybe he could give you some pointers for your cards?

You're right, you're right. "A Legendary Ocean" Deck is my favourite build of all times. I used to run it like 3000 years ago when the meta was Chaos decks left and right and I decided to rebel against those boring players spamming Envoys, Chaos Sorcerers and Yata-Garasus xD.

9 hours ago, Dan Moe said:

And yay I'm always glad when other people like Umi and Water cards!! :D

I'm your ally here. Allow me to help you with a tiny bit of card grammar. I see you followed Neo-Daedalus' wording, but that is an old as heck card prior to PSCT, so it needs some fixing.

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Levia-Dragon - Supreme Daedalus
2 Level 7 WATER monsters
You can send 1 "Umi" you control to the GY; send as many cards in both players' hands and on the field as possible to the GY, except this card. If this card leaves the field: You can add 1 "Umi" from your Deck or GY to your hand.

Comments: I keep wondering about this card. Times have changed: Before, allowing a Chaos Emperor Dragon to explode pretty much spelled doom unless you had a Witch of the Black Forest/Sangan on the field during the wipe. Neo Daedalus was in a sense a very bad CeD, unable to be SS'ed by any means except its own, requiring a relatively hard to get on the field mob (yep, 1 Tribute even with ALO was bad) and required yet another tool to pay as cost. Nowadays a hand/field wipe is nothing to laugh of at all, but depending on the deck, certain board cleans can even become +1 or so, making it less effective. There are a myriad of new effects that can negate monster effects, also, or that can get rid of your Umi before applying the effect. So, these two factors are telling you, welp, ok, the effect is not as hard to avert as before, balancing a little, BUT we're talking about a Xyz, and one in a level WATER monsters can make good use of, like Merlanteans do.Bringing this guy to the field is possibly as easy as CeD, so the only problem would be getting the Umi. From there, it's the best of two worlds, CeD and Neo. Once it has been Xyz Summoned, you could revive this guy later and re-apply it's effect with another Umi, and keep it on the field. All in all, my thinking is, alright, let's keep the effect, but add material requirement. That way you can't just clean the damn place everytime you revive this guy as long as you have an Umi to pay for it.

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A Mythical Ocean
(This card's name is always treated as "Umi".)
All WATER monsters on the field gain 300 ATK/DEF. WATER monsters in both player's hand and on the field can be treated as having any Level between their original Level and their original Level -3. Once per turn, if you Summon a WATER monster with an original Level of 5 or higher: You can add 1 WATER monster from your Deck to your hand. Unaffected by other card effects while you control a WATER monster.

Comments: I'd like to start by asking: Are you aware of the Maximum of 3 rule? All of us know that you can have a max. of 3 copies of a card in a Deck, yeah, but I'm talking about cards that adopt other name. They count towards the total, that's why you would be unable to run, say, 3 A Legendary Ocean and 1 Umi, because the former is called Umi and you'd have 4 Umi total. The current wording will also cause your card to be included in this situation. Just wanted to point that out in case your intention was to mix in one or two ALOs in the Deck. There are ways to bypass this, such as Forgotten Temple of the Deep's effect which only applies while on the field. Negative part would be, you wouldn't be able to search it with stuff like Warrior of Atlantis or Supreme Daedalus/Ocean's Watcher. Having said all of this, I love every single effect of this card, which essentially makes it an ALO with such steroids the Olympic International Committee would ban this card to the moon. Powercreep is powercreep, so fine by me, except for effect 2, which is truly brutal. With that effect (which btw is flexible as you can apply it or not, in comparison to ALO's mandatory Level -1) you're essentially making any Level 4+ WATER monster 4 levels in one. While being able to Normal Summon regular Levia sounds so delicious it makes me drool, there are a lot many things to consider, primarily the absurd flexibility you're conferring WATER monsters in regard of their levels, as you could match and mix to Summon pretty much any Synchro, or use Level 4 monsters to Xyz Summon Rank 1, 2, 3 and 4 just with this card. I'm unsure on how to balance this effect, but perhaps it could be an Ignition effect that lowers the Level of all WATER monsters in your possession by a single number until the end of the turn. And again, I'm just saying this for the sake of balance, because if it were me, let's go to hell with this delicious effect xD.

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Ocean's Watcher
If you control no face-up Field Spell, you can Special Summon this card (from your hand). If Summoned this way, you cannot Special Summon monsters from your hand for the rest of this turn, except WATER monsters. If this card is Normal or Special Summoned: You can add 1 "Umi" from your Deck or GY to your hand.

Comments: Most balanced mon on the set, this is nice and simple, a stubborn as heck Fish that says, there's no Level-manipulating Field? Lulz, I summon myself and bring one. There is? Ok, I Normal Summon. I really like it, and I have a feeling you gave it 2300 ATK so it was slightly weaker than a Salmon xD.

[Dan Moe]

First of all, thanks for the massive and super informative comment! I completely agree with like, everything you said haha. 

To start to reply to all your comments, I am aware of the Maximum of three rule, and I kept the wording "A Legendary Ocean" uses because like I imagine it was intended as a replacement for "Umi", I imagine my "A Mythical Ocean" to be a direct (and powercrept) version of "A Legendary Ocean." That's basically why I would still love to keep the insane level flexibility you pointed out it grants, as I believe that carries on the original spirit/intent of "A Legendary Ocean" into the modern era. Because it now benefits more than tribute summon avoiding, but also easier synchros, and XYZ summons, I think it keeps that original Water level manipulation spirit relevant today. 
About balance, I think you are right and it just might be too much considering just one water summon makes it card advantage neutral. I did look at modern field cards for reference to current power levels, and noticed that many of them have mechanics to make them go card neutral or even +1, but as you pointed out, that might have been too far for this card. Even the protection on the card isn't something I'm attached to, it's truly just that old level manipulation that I am in love with.

About my version of Daedalus, or Neo-Daedalus rather, you are totally right I just assumed copying Konami card grammar was safe, forgetting how old it was haha. And in terms of it's power level, you are also right, that effect is dangerously powerful even today, despite being far easier to play around than it was years ago. I truly don't think I know enough about modern combo potentials to determine how easily this monster is summoned, but I think at a certain level of difficulty it would be balanced. Perhaps 3 level 7 Water monsters is it's balance point, but in truth I just don't know. (BTW adding the material requirement is a perfect balance change to avoid shenanigans by the way, I don't know why I didn't think of that! Maybe even a HARD once per turn.)

Lastly, thanks for the great comments on my good fishy boi :P
I appreciate the awesome feedback!

 

[Dan Moe]

You know, maybe it's just safer for the XYZ to not have the hand wiping mechanic, it's probably too easy to get this out before your opponent even has a turn...