Phantom Roxas Posted November 5, 2020 Report Share Posted November 5, 2020 No, it's just that after something like the Russia thread, I'm not interested in exchanging miles-long posts this time around. The people who count the ballots and the people who actually report the counts are two separate groups. As I understand, the groups that actually release the counts typically take their break first, but the groups that do the counting continue onwards. So a sudden jump once one group comes back while the other group continues their work is not surprising. You don't seem to realize that the two groups in question are not one and the same, and are instead acting as if they are. It's understandable, I did not know that at first either. So, before Giga cited something, I was willing to believe one thing, but my perspective changed once evidence the contrary was shared? That seems reasonable, so I don't know why being persuaded by evidence is so weird to you. Sure, I think Trump is still trying to stifle votes for Biden, but in that one specific incident? Nah, someone making a typo makes more sense. And no, I'm not glossing over the claim that observers left. It's just that you haven't backed it up, so there's no point in engaging with that further until you do so. I posted statements to the contrary, and you just claimed that they lied. Your personal anecdote is not a substantial challenge to the point, so if you're just going to say "They lied" over and over again, that's not going to be persuasive. "they want the counting to stop because they are bringing in ballots from god knows where with who knows what dates on them" Do you honestly believe that? Again, you need to back up your implication that the ballots they're counting are somehow illegitimate. You and I have gone back and forth over the years. You’ve dismissed countless criticisms of Trump as nothing more than conspiracy theories or “derangement syndrome”. And now, with Trump on the verge of defeat, you’re looking for the flimsiest sign of dishonesty, fraud, or corruption, and blowing it wildly out of proportion. You have become as desperate as you believe the left has been all these years. The irony of that is simply delicious. EDIT: Trump already got his lawsuit in Georgia slapped down because neither of the GOP's witnesses were competent enough to provide evidence. Less than an hour left until Nevada and Georgia post more results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Phantom Roxas Posted November 5, 2020 Report Share Posted November 5, 2020 God damn it, I really shouldn't be surprised by that. Guys, I know you're desperate to pretend that there's fraud going on, but you don't need to make it this easy for me to show how it's already been debunked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(GigaDrillBreaker) Posted November 5, 2020 Report Share Posted November 5, 2020 No need to taunt, tensions are high enough. Thanks for the clarification, though. I have had a busy morning and lacked the opportunity to look into it myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted November 5, 2020 Author Report Share Posted November 5, 2020 Not "Desperate" to prove anything actually. If Biden wins, Biden wins. I can live 4 years without going absolutely crazy about that. I do wonder about results like this Wisconsin GOP house candidate votes 1,620,435. Trump 1,610,001 Dem house candidate votes 1,525,836 Biden 1,630,535 At least we'll maybe stop bitching about the "House Popular Vote" now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom Roxas Posted November 5, 2020 Report Share Posted November 5, 2020 Ah, there's the voter fraud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vla1ne Posted November 6, 2020 Report Share Posted November 6, 2020 they didn't have a reporter or republican observer present from 12 all the way to 4 (or till later in the case of republican observers). how is that even remotely acceptable? in fact, several districts were actively removing all known republican observers. they had to literally fight it in court, and demanded a count freeze till the observers were allowed back in (surprise surprise, one state "finished" right after the motion was granted, despite having said counting would take a while). It is not that i considered them the same either, it is that nobody was observing or reporting, and this was somehow ok for every official in the room. the absolute lack of reporting at all, and the nonexistent attempt to have reporters is a problem. in a mere hour they hopped up close enough to swing the election, yet the race hasn't seen another gap that large closed ever since more eyes began looking at them again. We see that these same democrats are actively preventing people from going in to watch the counting of the votes. they appealed a literal court order to allow both parties to observe the election counting. that's ok with you? it is literally just people wanting to observe and democrats are fighting it in court and in person: https://youtu.be/ivT2z5UgHxo?t=341https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsaM2sPhl7Uhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4X2V5hPPp6w Side note, the man who "voted twice" was not cheating, he was trying to vote because his ballot hadn't been tallied by election night, and he was making sure he was counted. there are stories of this all across the nation of voters who put in early ballots, and checked in person on election night to make sure they were counted, even in the early count states). a surprisingly common story. their votes weren't counted. but to play the same game: https://bit.ly/3l4TtSW It is not that they stopped counting. that was not the issue. they said they would stop till 9 the next morning and people believed them. The problem is that they started again, and did not ensure the presence of either reporters, security, or outside observers. on top of counting after stating they were not counting till 9 the next morning (but continuing to count). they actively prevented observers from entering the area where they counted the votes in places like detroit. this, in conjunction with the fact that they had no reporting the entire night, where all news outlets thought they were done for the night. they were bringing in radio wagons and pillow cases do you honestly not suspect any manner of fraud when this much suspicious material is shown? no joke, it took less than this for you to spend 3 years on a false lead, yet this much suspect behavior on election night is given a pass? be happy if you like. I'm gonna let this one play out however it may from here on. but no complaints, regardless of the ending. if you're fine with this much suspect stuff going on in democrat counties, then win or lose, I want zero complaints from you no matter how this plays out. of course i'm going to do the same. what happens happens, they can fight it out in court till it ends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom Roxas Posted November 6, 2020 Report Share Posted November 6, 2020 You still need to learn that you do not get to control these conversations. I have expressed support for certain actions, and you respond by posting videos about entirely separate actions. Because of my support for the first group of actions, you assume that I'm somehow supporting the second group of actions you're trying to cite. We've been over this many times before. You will put words in my mouth. You introduce new elements to the conversation, and in the very same post, you respond to me as if I had somehow already agreed to those new elements. This "suspicious behavior" you're responding to? Yeah, no, I'm not giving them a pass. I'm saying that these flat-out didn't happen. You are trying to dictate the terms of this conversation in response to positions that I never personally expressed, and instead you assigned to me. When I previously linked an article, I only singled out the incidents that you and Winter had brought up. I made a general statement referring to other misinformation covered in the article, but because you and Winter did not discuss any of those other incidents, I was not going to respond as if either of you somehow believed them. "they were bringing in radio wagons and pillow cases do you honestly not suspect any manner of fraud when this much suspicious material is shown?" Read this sentence again. Look at the speed in which you bring up random examples without any context whatsoever that would actually be valuable to the conversation, before jumping straight to asking why I'm not suspicious about something that neither of us ever talked about until your post just now. And then you bring up the Steele dossier again, for what I think is at least the third time in this thread. One person can believe that Case A is true, but have doubts about Case B, while another person can believe the reverse. We can have different opinions on those two, but we're only here to talk about the election. If you just want to make demands about how this conversation should go because you're still not over the Steele dossier, that's your prerogative, but no one is under any obligation to be beholden to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justduelist Posted November 6, 2020 Report Share Posted November 6, 2020 https://www.judicialwatch.org/press-releases/new-jw-study-voter-registration/ new study showing many counties across 29 states have had voter registration greater than the counties actual population. i'm still going through the info and sources to see what i can confirm/debunk but i figured i might as well bring it up to see what everyone thinks and if anyone might have more info regarding this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(GigaDrillBreaker) Posted November 6, 2020 Report Share Posted November 6, 2020 Georgia flipped. So did PA. If everywhere sticks to their leans, Biden will end with 306 electoral votes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom Roxas Posted November 6, 2020 Report Share Posted November 6, 2020 2 hours ago, justduelist said: https://www.judicialwatch.org/press-releases/new-jw-study-voter-registration/ new study showing many counties across 29 states have had voter registration greater than the counties actual population. i'm still going through the info and sources to see what i can confirm/debunk but i figured i might as well bring it up to see what everyone thinks and if anyone might have more info regarding this. Going by what the article says, it sounds more like the states need to clear out their voter rolls. 8 minutes ago, (GigaDrillBreaker) said: Georgia flipped. So did PA. If everywhere sticks to their leans, Biden will end with 306 electoral votes. Yup. There are still plenty of outstanding votes, but they'll likely hold. Meanwhile: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phelphor, of the Deep Posted November 6, 2020 Report Share Posted November 6, 2020 It's been 3 days and still no result. Seems really fishy. There's been cases where Republicans being less than honest but honestly democrats are FAR worse at lying and cheating. This has fowl play written all over it. Now toxas will try to argue that democrats are perfect angels (they are not) i can accept (grudgingly) that biden has won but only as long he has won FAIR AND SQUARE and that does not seems the case at this point. Im not saying trump is a perfect angel but he is more honest than a certain guy who has been office for over 45 plus years at this point. At this point, many people just want this to be over so we can move on. Im not a fan of democrats but i will not accept socialism/Communism in any shape nor form to take place within the United States. Democrats how are not far left radical left i can somewhat tolerate as i may disagree with them on stuff they are not pushing for socialism and or communism. I honestly like old school democrats but currently most democrats are too far left and too far socialist for my liking. Honestly if they would have anyone besides Joe (NO Hillary/NO Bernie not you two) i don't think people would be panicking like they are. Joe wants socialism (which leads down a much darker path) Most people will not accept socialism as many who have fled from China/Cuba/Venezuela/etc can tell you they prefer freedom over what they left and to drop everything and every thing they know to move to a new home just to see the same sort of government to be installed of the place you left where your new home is utter heart breaking. Many of these people came to United States with nothing but the clothes on their back and made a very nice life (because America gives opportunities where other places do not) for themselves. Joe is a radical who try to push boundaries and yes he did made some very steep and radical promises so if he actually goes through with those promise, he can ruin the economy among other things. Naturally Joe is not a great choice for the country at this point and time. I also think that Joe is just a puppet so they can get Harris in without people voting for her (she would be the VP and Joe just leaves that would means she gets the captain's chair) many doctor think Joe may only last a year and that's what they want because they will get Harris througj this bait and switch tactic. This only speculation at the point but Joe is very old and has dementia so why is he running for president when he can do the job?, because Joe is a trojan horse to get their true candidate in through the "back door": Harris, again speculation but it does make alot of snense. No Harris is also a terrible person to be president. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom Roxas Posted November 6, 2020 Report Share Posted November 6, 2020 So, let me see if I get this straight. Biden will only barely win this. Democrats lost seats in the House, and they'll be lucky to get a tie in the Senate if they somehow win both Georgia runoffs. And barely eking out a win is somehow evidence of Democrats cheating? Biden is hardly a socialist. Trump was going to use that line of attack regardless of who his opponent was going on be, and while that may have been effective in Florida, it's nothing more than the way candidates trade blows at each other. Biden is hardly radical. As I understand it, he was primarily picked as Obama's running mate so he could appeal to more moderate voters. Being the liberal option where Trump is conservative hardly makes him some radical socialist. Biden got regularly dunked on from the left for saying "Nothing would fundamentally change." His tax policies would, at best, affect who are as wealthy as Trump pretends to be. Trump was preparing for Bernie. When Bernie didn't become the nominee, he just recycled most of the criticisms and applied them towards Bernie. He even tried to argue that the Bidens were totally more corrupt than the Clintons, and frankly, you'd have to try pretty damn hard to be like that, and the Bidens don't come close. Hyperbole is to be expected in something as contentious as a presidential election. But we're not going to enter some radical socialist regime with President Biden. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phelphor, of the Deep Posted November 6, 2020 Report Share Posted November 6, 2020 Honestly im not going to argue with you. Nothing is going to change your mind and i know this. If keep this up, no one will want to talk with you. Dude, seriously at least meet people half way. I know from experience since i can be extremely hard headed and or stubborn (something im "famous" on this site lol) sticking to your guns and burying your head in the ground will get you no where. Compromise has to be made. Both democrats and Republicans have to work together to keep this dog and pony show on the road. Like i said earlier no one is perfect and there's been bad politicians in both camps. Trump is no angel so why can't you concede to Joe Biden is not perfect? He said some less than stellar things (actually very racist things) his long career in office has basically no accomplishments and his track record is basically meh. Trump is not perfect and that's ok he is not a politician (why lot of people actually like him and voted for him) sure trump had said and did things people did not like but haven't we all? Trump has an odd ways going about doing things but he has not done anything horrible. Joe is just a really bad and most certainly not perfect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom Roxas Posted November 6, 2020 Report Share Posted November 6, 2020 "Meet me in the middle, says the unjust man. You take a step toward him. He takes a step back. Meet me in the middle, says the unjust man." I think Biden is a terrible, milquetoast candidate, and I think the people who have tried to go "He didn't say super predator, that was Clinton" are ignoring that he's still pretty racist. I've never had trouble conceding that Biden is not perfect, so I didn't think that was an issue. I wouldn't say Biden has no accomplishments, though. He was a big help to the 1994 Crime Bill! Oh, wait, that was also pretty awful. "Haven't we all" is pretty disingenuous. Trump is demonstrably racist, and that guided the majority of his policies. You want me to meet you halfway about Biden's faults, and I have no qualms about doing so. But you ask me to compromise while you're downplaying Trump's own actions, behavior, and history. Demanding compromise while refusing to offer any yourself is not what it means to meet people halfway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(GigaDrillBreaker) Posted November 6, 2020 Report Share Posted November 6, 2020 1 hour ago, Godbrand said: i will not accept socialism/Communism in any shape nor form to take place within the United States. How did you spend your $1200 stimulus? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted November 6, 2020 Author Report Share Posted November 6, 2020 2 hours ago, (GigaDrillBreaker) said: How did you spend your $1200 stimulus? Didn't get one sadly cuz my parents claimed me as a dependent w/o telling me Clownery. But he should have known the dems would pull this garbage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted November 6, 2020 Author Report Share Posted November 6, 2020 3 hours ago, Phantom Roxas said: So, let me see if I get this straight. Biden will only barely win this. Democrats lost seats in the House, and they'll be lucky to get a tie in the Senate if they somehow win both Georgia runoffs. And barely eking out a win is somehow evidence of Democrats cheating? Biden is hardly a socialist. Trump was going to use that line of attack regardless of who his opponent was going on be, and while that may have been effective in Florida, it's nothing more than the way candidates trade blows at each other. Biden is hardly radical. As I understand it, he was primarily picked as Obama's running mate so he could appeal to more moderate voters. Being the liberal option where Trump is conservative hardly makes him some radical socialist. Biden got regularly dunked on from the left for saying "Nothing would fundamentally change." His tax policies would, at best, affect who are as wealthy as Trump pretends to be. Trump was preparing for Bernie. When Bernie didn't become the nominee, he just recycled most of the criticisms and applied them towards Bernie. He even tried to argue that the Bidens were totally more corrupt than the Clintons, and frankly, you'd have to try pretty damn hard to be like that, and the Bidens don't come close. Hyperbole is to be expected in something as contentious as a presidential election. But we're not going to enter some radical socialist regime with President Biden. Honest take here, Paul Ryan's tax plan was amazing for the voters Biden needed to eek out his win. Upper middle class suburbs Honestly somewhat surprised the Democrats don't go after that demo more, and why the GOP keep giving them fucking tax cuts Biden was an extremist on stuff like court packing, due process, and hyde Thankfully none of that will go through. Nor will some massive pathway to citizenship for millions of illegals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom Roxas Posted November 6, 2020 Report Share Posted November 6, 2020 Biden went from saying he's not a fan of court packing, to saying that he would consult a bipartisan commission for recommendations. How is that "extremist"? https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/10/joe-biden-court-packing-position.html "This audacious attitude incensed conservatives, in part because Biden had escaped the trap they set for him. If Biden endorsed court expansion, Republicans would call him a dangerous radical; if he rejected it, Democrats would condemn his unilateral disarmament." They make a good point here, but you're calling him extremist anyway. If you're referring to past statements that I'm not familiar with, you're welcome to share them, but from where I'm seeing, it seems like he's been careful to not be labeled radical or extremist. https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/05/politics/what-is-hyde-amendment-joe-biden/index.html Regarding the Hyde amendment, it seems like he has the same views on abortion as you do, but he felt it was inappropriate to impose his religious views on others. I tend to think of an extremist as someone who would not hesitate to make their religious views law, but that doesn't really apply to Biden. Again, the criticism he gets stems from how his positions were fairly moderate. So calling him extremist specifically for being a moderate is rather bizarre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vla1ne Posted November 6, 2020 Report Share Posted November 6, 2020 As i said, there is a hell of a lot to suspect, and here it comes again, clerical errors for days i suppose: As i said prior, i'll take a legit L, but democrats got 2 years to look into their hoax, and we've already got more evidence than that. And we didn't even have to spend millions yet. Let's see how it plays out in court, because a 6k district error on software that's being used in 47 counties is damn sure making these clerical glitches look like a whole game mod. the recount's gonna be fun eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted November 7, 2020 Author Report Share Posted November 7, 2020 THAT'S CONVENIENT WI, AZ, GA all gonna be within 10 smh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Phantom Roxas Posted November 7, 2020 Report Share Posted November 7, 2020 "In an email to CBN News, Aneta Kiersnowski, press secretary for Michigan Secretary of State Jocelyn Benson, a Democrat, said the situation with the Antrim County reporting was 'a county user error. It was not caused by the software.'" Blaming software because you suspect "game mod" makes no sense. If someone makes a mistake while using a system, you don't throw the baby out with the bathwater by starting some conspiracy that every county using that system may be part of a big con. That isn't "more evidence" than your favorite deflection tactic. It's blowing things wildly out of proportion to pump up claims of voter fraud. Assigning malicious intent to some unknown person who most likely just screwed up is entirely unhelpful. vla1ne, the majority of your posts have been someone making a clerical error, and you brag as if this is somehow a bigger deal than the special counsel investigation. What, exactly, do you hope to see play out in court? What specific evidence can Trump bring with him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vla1ne Posted November 7, 2020 Report Share Posted November 7, 2020 so i was in the shower and had a thought stuck in my head, 15 hours ago, justduelist said: https://www.judicialwatch.org/press-releases/new-jw-study-voter-registration/ new study showing many counties across 29 states have had voter registration greater than the counties actual population. i'm still going through the info and sources to see what i can confirm/debunk but i figured i might as well bring it up to see what everyone thinks and if anyone might have more info regarding this. This in an interesting article, that gets more interesting as you ponder it. The voter roles in several of the states on that list, have numbers of dead people (who may or may not have been counted as voters) ranging from hundreds to alleged thousands. and this raises several questions regarding the votes that outnumber the registrants: I have never seen a dead man voting in person, and the number of people who claim they either didn't vote, or got their votes switched/not counted. so this begs the question, if the registry is already (allegedly) bloated by the dead, be it by tens or by thousands, and people are also saying they didn't vote, the only thing this does, is shrink the total registry, so where to the other votes come from? this isn't even me claiming fraud, i would be interested in an honest answer, the number of votes is set, as it is near, if not over 100, but the registry can only decrease if we clear out the dead and the nonvoters, so where are all the votes coming from that increase the tally? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vla1ne Posted November 7, 2020 Report Share Posted November 7, 2020 3 hours ago, Phantom Roxas said: "In an email to CBN News, Aneta Kiersnowski, press secretary for Michigan Secretary of State Jocelyn Benson, a Democrat, said the situation with the Antrim County reporting was 'a county user error. It was not caused by the software.'" Blaming software because you suspect "game mod" makes no sense. If someone makes a mistake while using a system, you don't throw the baby out with the bathwater by starting some conspiracy that every county using that system may part of a big con. That isn't "more evidence" than your favorite deflection tactic. It's blowing things wildly out of proportion to pump up claims of voter fraud. Assigning malicious intent to some unknown person who most likely just screwed up is entirely unhelpful. vla1ne, the majority of your posts have been someone making a clerical error, and you brag as if this is somehow a bigger deal than the special counsel investigation. What, exactly, do you hope to see play out in court? What specific evidence can Trump bring with him? roxas, there were enough votes missing to sway a smaller election, in fact, it DID sway at least one smaller election. and the claim that it was a glitch, or clerical error, came not from me, but from the people counting the votes, so the question of why there are so many of these clerical mistakes, and why so many of them heavily favor the left (unless you consider a 6k or 100k "clerical error" light) is absolutely valid. these errors seem to continue popping up. i will not call them fraud anymore, don't need to, but let's not pretend consecutive errors on this scale are not interesting in and of themselves. and yes, that is more evidence. not of fraud, but of clerical errors, we seem to keep finding them, and we've got 46 more districts that may need to be checked to ensure the software is not flawed. after a 6k error, would you disagree that democrats ought to support a recount? if not for trump, at least for the smaller elections that any 6k swings would heavily damage. I'm a simple man roxas. All i hope to see play out is the truth. if that truth favors biden, i'll cry in the shower and hold that L like a man. If it favors trump, i'll laugh like a madman and fail no nut november. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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