Horu Posted November 21, 2020 Report Share Posted November 21, 2020 Meh. It's Arizona. These people would put Biden in office just to bitch when he fucks up. I mean, in all fairness, they keep Joe Arpaio as sheriff so they can bitch and moan about him being an asshole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(GigaDrillBreaker) Posted November 21, 2020 Report Share Posted November 21, 2020 On 11/21/2020 at 8:22 PM, Horu Ishayuki said: Meh. It's Arizona. These people would put Biden in office just to bitch when he fucks up. I mean, in all fairness, they keep Joe Arpaio as sheriff so they can bitch and moan about him being an asshole. Expand If someone fucks up, I think complaining is a reasonable response. Unless you are trying to imply they only voted for him so that they could complain, in which case ummmm no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunshine Jesse Posted November 21, 2020 Report Share Posted November 21, 2020 I only voted for Biden so I could complain about him. I imagine a state could do the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(GigaDrillBreaker) Posted November 21, 2020 Report Share Posted November 21, 2020 I mean, I'd rather complain about biden than trump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom Roxas Posted November 22, 2020 Report Share Posted November 22, 2020 It's okay, guys. This is just halftime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(GigaDrillBreaker) Posted November 22, 2020 Report Share Posted November 22, 2020 I'm really nervous for the real lawsuits and big evidence to be brought out. Legal rope a dope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ENMaker Posted November 22, 2020 Report Share Posted November 22, 2020 cannot believe joe is getting away with this fucking hell democracy is dead and america killed it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(GigaDrillBreaker) Posted November 22, 2020 Report Share Posted November 22, 2020 On 11/22/2020 at 4:20 AM, Enguin said: cannot believe joe is getting away with this fucking hell democracy is dead and america killed it Expand TRUE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horu Posted November 22, 2020 Report Share Posted November 22, 2020 On 11/22/2020 at 4:20 AM, Enguin said: cannot believe joe is getting away with this fucking hell democracy is dead and america killed it Expand In all fairness, Democracy has been dead since the fall of Ancient Greece. America just revived it and butchered it like a trapped hog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(GigaDrillBreaker) Posted November 22, 2020 Report Share Posted November 22, 2020 On 11/22/2020 at 5:31 AM, Horu Ishayuki said: In all fairness, Democracy has been dead since the fall of Ancient Greece. America just revived it and butchered it like a trapped hog. Expand Does greece count as democracy when only the men could vote? Not even going into the prevalence of monarchies in ancient greece. Also good job reading the room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horu Posted November 22, 2020 Report Share Posted November 22, 2020 On 11/22/2020 at 5:44 AM, (GigaDrillBreaker) said: Does greece count as democracy when only the men could vote? Not even going into the prevalence of monarchies in ancient greece. Also good job reading the room. Expand Yes. Greece was the world's first Democratic Government. And Rome was a Republic. So the US is essentially a hybrid system since it is technically a Democratic Republic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted November 22, 2020 Author Report Share Posted November 22, 2020 The numbers don't lie he says Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cr47t Posted November 22, 2020 Report Share Posted November 22, 2020 On 11/22/2020 at 7:41 AM, Ryusei the Morning Star said: [big tweet picture] The numbers don't lie he says Expand I don't get the point. Who is this guy? What did he mean and is it different from what you're trying to say? What are you trying to say anyway? In any case whatever you're trying to say isn't completely self-evident, vague allusions don't help the discussion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(GigaDrillBreaker) Posted November 22, 2020 Report Share Posted November 22, 2020 On 11/22/2020 at 7:00 AM, Horu Ishayuki said: Yes. Greece was the world's first Democratic Government. And Rome was a Republic. So the US is essentially a hybrid system since it is technically a Democratic Republic. Expand So you think a system where only men can vote is a true, functional democracy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted November 22, 2020 Author Report Share Posted November 22, 2020 On 11/22/2020 at 1:25 PM, cr47t said: I don't get the point. Who is this guy? What did he mean and is it different from what you're trying to say? What are you trying to say anyway? In any case whatever you're trying to say isn't completely self-evident, vague allusions don't help the discussion Expand That man is the Georgia secretary of state. The numbers he had were over 100% wrong. If he doesn't even know the number of ballots cast (which basically no other state had issues with), I'm supposed to trust he verified each signature?? Also this. lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(GigaDrillBreaker) Posted November 22, 2020 Report Share Posted November 22, 2020 On 11/22/2020 at 7:28 PM, Ryusei the Morning Star said: That man is the Georgia secretary of state. The numbers he had were over 100% wrong. If he doesn't even know the number of ballots cast (which basically no other state had issues with), I'm supposed to trust he verified each signature?? Also this. lol. Expand But I thought russian tampering with the 2016 election was a myth? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(GigaDrillBreaker) Posted November 22, 2020 Report Share Posted November 22, 2020 Guys they just gave me a sharpie to fill out the paperwork for my covid test, should I be worried? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horu Posted November 22, 2020 Report Share Posted November 22, 2020 On 11/22/2020 at 3:43 PM, (GigaDrillBreaker) said: So you think a system where only men can vote is a true, functional democracy? Expand You mean how the US was a true functional democracy even when women and blacks had no rights? So how is Ancient Greece any different? You're literally debating the history of democracy here. A democracy is a system in which you collect votes. Nothing more. It's like if I couldn't choose between pizza and chilli dogs. I could put it to a vote. Whichever item gets more votes wins. Any nation that uses a voting system to pass laws, choose senate, appoint a new leader, etc. IS a democracy. So yes, Greece was a fully functional democratic government even if women didn't have a right to vote. Remember, women and blacks just barely got the right to vote in the US just over 50 years ago and yet, the US was a fully functioning democracy before that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom Roxas Posted November 22, 2020 Report Share Posted November 22, 2020 On 11/22/2020 at 7:28 PM, Ryusei the Morning Star said: That man is the Georgia secretary of state. The numbers he had were over 100% wrong. If he doesn't even know the number of ballots cast (which basically no other state had issues with), I'm supposed to trust he verified each signature?? Also this. lol. Expand Interesting how the hack benefited Republican Brian Kemp. Thanks for giving the evidence for us! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(GigaDrillBreaker) Posted November 22, 2020 Report Share Posted November 22, 2020 On 11/22/2020 at 8:34 PM, Horu Ishayuki said: You mean how the US was a true functional democracy even when women and blacks had no rights? Expand It wasn't. It was a dysfunctional attempt at democracy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horu Posted November 22, 2020 Report Share Posted November 22, 2020 On 11/22/2020 at 8:41 PM, (GigaDrillBreaker) said: It wasn't. It was a dysfunctional attempt at democracy. Expand My point is that democracy is only a system. The group that has the right to vote is of no importance. It'd be like if I made a poll and said only latinos can vote. It is still democracy. You have a right to vote because the US is also a republic. A republic caters to the wants and needs of the people. A democracy caters to those in power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom Roxas Posted November 22, 2020 Report Share Posted November 22, 2020 Yeah, I don't want to hear shit from people who keep trying to deflect onto the Mueller report here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(GigaDrillBreaker) Posted November 22, 2020 Report Share Posted November 22, 2020 On 11/22/2020 at 8:51 PM, Horu Ishayuki said: My point is that democracy is only a system. The group that has the right to vote is of no importance. It'd be like if I made a poll and said only latinos can vote. It is still democracy. You have a right to vote because the US is also a republic. A republic caters to the wants and needs of the people. A democracy caters to those in power. Expand You complained about democracy being dead, yet your golden ideal was sexist. Also those last to sentences are baseless. Being a republic isn't what grants the right to vote to all groups, where the hell did you get that notion? Just out of curiosity, what would be your opinion on removing women's right to vote? Do you think that would benefit or hurt the country at large? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horu Posted November 22, 2020 Report Share Posted November 22, 2020 On 11/22/2020 at 9:02 PM, (GigaDrillBreaker) said: You complained about democracy being dead, yet your golden ideal was sexist. Also those last to sentences are baseless. Being a republic isn't what grants the right to vote to all groups, where the hell did you get that notion? Expand Rome was a republic. Rome catered to the people. The US is a republic. The Declaration of Independence says "We the people". The Pledge of Allegiance says "the republic for which it stands". If the US were solely a democracy, the senate would be choosing the next president, not you. Also, I was making a point about democracy not needing certain groups to be functional. Hell, under a democratic government, it could be a rule that anyone that makes less than $500k/yr isn't qualified to vote. Luckily, a republic is all inclusive and gathers the opinions of everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(GigaDrillBreaker) Posted November 22, 2020 Report Share Posted November 22, 2020 On 11/22/2020 at 9:12 PM, Horu Ishayuki said: Rome was a republic. Rome catered to the people. The US is a republic. The Declaration of Independence says "We the people". The Pledge of Allegiance says "the republic for which it stands". Expand Do you think that saying "we the people" in itself means that it is a fair system for all? You seem to be ignoring long-standing issues in america regarding sexism, racism, and classism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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