Mid-List Changes (ITT: D-Fusion banned)

[Sander]

They should have banned DaD and Commander also

[Cyber Altair]

true, but this was a quick change. let's wait for september for the true ban list.

[Exiro]

There goes Valley Loop.

 

There goes DMoC Valley Loop.

 

There goes DMoC FTK.

 

Those 2 were my favorites...

 

Oh, that's the way it should be.

 

Does anybody know how to replace DF in those 2 loops and the FTK?

[JesusofChaos™]

Upper deck fails again:

No DMoC banned

No disk banned

No DAD banned

lol semi limit allure

 

Upper deck really hasnt thought they just panicked

However ShadowPriestess is dead and so is DDT

[anthony4]

ddt is not dead. it runs 3 ddr's now.

[JesusofChaos™]

^precisely it is now not quick enough to outclass top teir decks

[Cyber Altair]

well at least they banned DF and limited RFDD.

 

that sure must hurt DAD.

[JesusofChaos™]

Also timing is terrible with lots of nationals coming up soon the players will have to quickly restructure a new deck and hope it will work

[anthony4]

its time for the new pc to rein supreme. pc= plasma control

[tonisanoob]

i welcome theese changes

 

finally no gay f/otks

 

sure dmoc and disk are still running about but with theese gone its not really that bad is it?

[anthony4]

they forgot monster reborn. thats my only problem. you have to be scared to d draw disk or discard dmoc. and its the biggest top deck now without d fusion.

[JesusofChaos™]

its time for the new lightsworns/JD to rein supreme. JD= Judgement Dragon

 

Fixed

[anthony4]

you relize that one wabaku,roar,rainbow,winged kuribo(had to say that lol)

will stop the whole deck because they deck out at the end of the turn.

[JesusofChaos™]

^if they deck out they are doing it wrong

You just watch the nationals i guarntee you at least 10 of top 16 decks will be lightsworn

[Cyber Altair]

if not all of them will be Lightsworns. LS are faster then DDT and stronger then DAD cause they have JD.

[tonisanoob]

yhea but isnt there the whole mill jd thing

 

isnt there the whole mill anything good thing

 

but if you can actuakky draw jd then you win basucally ^_^

[Cyber Altair]

first, please use spellcheck.

 

secondly, milling is good in case of LS.

[The Dark One]

Before, Lightsworn were just about equal to DAD. Now, they are the dominant deck type by far.

 

Aside from this blatant ignorance of the Lightsworn monsters, this is a step in the right direction. While DAD is a ridiculous power card himself, his deck just got slow enough to let other decks back into the competitive scene. Gladiator Beasts are now more than just a one-time lucksack event, and will probably become very common. With less emphasis on RFP, Macro Cosmos is more useful again, as there is little fear of having your opponent happily play his Return and blow up in your face. (And 0 fear of doing the same with D-Fusion and Zerato.)

 

Flip Effects will be more playable again, and I expect to see new DAD builds running 1 Return, 3 Escape, 3 Cat of Ill Omen. In addition, Ryko became even better, along with a variety of other monsters that are best played face-down. (Including Hoplomus) Overall, a lot of this spells out well for making the metagame fun again.

 

I love Lightsworn, but they are obviously ridiculous. They could outspeed DAD even before these changes, and with these changes, we will see nothing else. So, they obviously need to be dealt with. Judgment at 0, and we'll see. They could still be left with a competitive non-OTK deck-type that would play much like Zombies, but with their own Monarch.

 

My last thoughts, I'm trying to decide whether I'd rather see DAD banned at this point. He's obviously powerful, but the Return deck is powerful even without him. After Lightsworn are dealt with, we'll have to see how many more decks are let into the competitive scene to decide on him.

[RedSceptile]

Before' date=' Lightsworn were just about equal to DAD. Now, they are the dominant deck type by far.

 

Aside from this blatant ignorance of the Lightsworn monsters, this is a step in the right direction. While DAD is a ridiculous power card himself, his deck just got slow enough to let other decks back into the competitive scene. Gladiator Beasts are now more than just a one-time lucksack event, and will probably become very common. With less emphasis on RFP, Macro Cosmos is more useful again, as there is little fear of having your opponent happily play his Return and blow up in your face. (And 0 fear of doing the same with D-Fusion and Zerato.)

 

Flip Effects will be more playable again, and I expect to see new DAD builds running 1 Return, 3 Escape, 3 Cat of Ill Omen. In addition, Ryko became even better, along with a variety of other monsters that are best played face-down. (Including Hoplomus) Overall, a lot of this spells out well for making the metagame fun again.

 

I love Lightsworn, but they are obviously ridiculous. They could outspeed DAD even before these changes, and with these changes, we will see nothing else. So, they obviously need to be dealt with. Judgment at 0, and we'll see. They could still be left with a competitive non-OTK deck-type that would play much like Zombies, but with their own Monarch.

 

My last thoughts, I'm trying to decide whether I'd rather see DAD banned at this point. He's obviously powerful, but the Return deck is powerful even without him. After Lightsworn are dealt with, we'll have to see how many more decks are let into the competitive scene to decide on him.

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Even with 2 Allure, 1 RftDD, and ) D Fusion, Light Sworn isn't superior to a ridiculous extent. Now it's sort of a fair ground for them.

[The Dark One]

Eh, I disagree, Lightsworn are at least as powerful as DAD was at its height. Now with DAD slowed down considerably, Lightsworn are completely dominant.

[Benraino]

Lightsworn probably now has a small edge of DAD, if anything. This list is getting closer to perfection, but still not good enough. Judgment Dragoon needs to get banned along with others. Also, if you deckout while using Lightsworn, your doing it wrong.

[The Dark One]

Benraino, please explain to me why Lightsworn has anything but a ridiculously massive edge over Dark Armed Dragon? I know people are slow to accept that anything could be more broken then the DADR deck, but Lightsworn were better even before DAD was hit with the mid-list changes. Now, DAD stands no chance.

 

They are faster, they are more consistent, they can function perfectly well as a Zombie-style swarm deck even if they can't pull their OTK off. DAD just can't compete.

[CrabHelmet]

Lightsworn were better even before DAD was hit with the mid-list changes.

 

No, they weren't. They had the speed, but lacked the consistency. They won in Japan because there's no Allure over there, so DAD had neither its speed nor its consistency.

[The Dark One]

How did they lack consistency? In my play testing I have found them to be more consistent than DAD.

[RedSceptile]

How did they lack consistency? In my play testing I have found them to be more consistent than DAD.

 

I call shenanigans.