James Fields Jr found guilty of first-degree murder

[Phantom Roxas]

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/jury-recommends-life-prison-plus-419-years-charlottesville-driver-james-n946536

 

In addition to murdering Heather Heyer, Fields is also being charged with multiple counts of malicious wounding. As a result, the jury recommends a life sentence plus an additional 419 years. He also faces additional charges related to hate crimes, and if he is found guilty of those, they would carry the death penalty.

 

I'm very happy to see this. Fields needed to be held accountable for his actions, and I look forward to the ruling in his next trial.

 

As this deals with a subject that came up in the previous thread on political violence, so I ask that people refrain from causing this thread to turn out like the last one.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

The outcome was a forgone conclusion from the start. The left and their cowardly republican lap dogs wanted a scalp, and they went for the low hanging fruit.

 

World will have one less Nazi on the bright side, but the person he killed was no saint

[Proto]

The outcome was a forgone conclusion from the start. The left and their cowardly republican lap dogs wanted a scalp, and they went for the low hanging fruit.

 

World will have one less Nazi on the bright side, but the person he killed was no saint

 

 

how dare someone be fat and protest nazis lets spit on their grave and blame the system that their murderer received a harsh sentencing.

 

like mate, what are you trying to do here with the "was no angel" thing? 

 

are you saying a murderer should not be charged with murder because it was a protestor?

 

like by gods this is some lynch justification tier sheet right here melkor.

[Dad]

I hope they ram him in his cell for the rest of his pathetic life.

[Phantom Roxas]

The outcome was a forgone conclusion from the start. The left and their cowardly republican lap dogs wanted a scalp, and they went for the low hanging fruit.

 

World will have one less Nazi on the bright side, but the person he killed was no saint

Inappropriate comments like this are what turned the last thread into such an unpleasant mess, so I’ll only ask this once: Knock it off.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

I don't believe I violated any rules Roxas. So thank you, but no thanks for the speech policing

 

She was with Antifa people. I don't really care if Nazis or Antifa or people who identify with either get killed

how dare someone be fat and protest nazis lets spit on their grave and blame the system that their murderer received a harsh sentencing.

 

like mate, what are you trying to do here with the "was no angel" thing? 

 

are you saying a murderer should not be charged with murder because it was a protestor?

 

like by gods this is some lynch justification tier sheet right here melkor.

I'm saying I don't really care that some Antifa agent is dead. Only shame is that more Nazis and Antifa didn't kill each other

 

"Violence works"

[vla1ne]

[spoiler=Wonder what they're gonna sentence the guy who made fields drive off with]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hz9mKPiDrv4

 

 

It's all good though, because the guy convicted was a white supremacist. Any and all actions relating to White Supremacists are automatically malicious. Proving intent? Nah, dude only went there to spew hatred and kill people. No need to look any deeper, because the guy was clearly evil from the get-go. It's not like any regular people were there as well, or like anybody who was there had disavowed the actions of the previous day.

 

 

Seriously though, Yeah, he deserves jailtime, can't even argue that. Regardless of reasons, he ended a life, and harmed multiple others. That said, stamping him with the title of "white supremacist with malicious intent" is not something that has even remotely been proven yet. We have ample reason to believe things had gotten far too hectic, and james may well have been placed into a state of panic by the inclusion of weaponry. Does that justify his actions? Not in the least, but it does negate the attempt to stamp intent where it does not belong. Involuntary manslaughter, 5-10 years, and call it a sentence. He's not some absolute villain. He's got no history of violent offenses. He's a guy that majorly funked up, and while punishment is not even a question, his sentence should reflect the actual circumstances of the action, not the perceived image of it. That said, he's likely going to get the full book thrown at him, and that's about the saddest thing i can think of.

[Proto]

I don't believe I violated any rules Roxas. So thank you, but no thanks for the speech policing

 

She was with Antifa people. I don't really care if Nazis or Antifa or people who identify with either get killed

 

I'm saying I don't really care that some Antifa agent is dead. Only shame is that more Nazis and Antifa didn't kill each other

 

"Violence works"

i don't really care about that what i do care about is this little tidbit:

 

The outcome was a forgone conclusion from the start. The left and their cowardly republican lap dogs wanted a scalp, and they went for the low hanging fruit.

like what the funk was this supposed to mean what was the dude supposed to get a slap on the wrist for driving his car into a dozen people just because he only hit one?

 

this implies that there was some sort of like "government collusion" that this man who tried to kill a bunch of people got a long sentence which is utilizing the situation as a way to push your dumb "deep state" conspiracy rhetoric.

 

 

[spoiler=Wonder what they're gonna sentence the guy who made fields drive off with]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hz9mKPiDrv4

 

 

It's all good though, because the guy convicted was a white supremacist. Any and all actions relating to White Supremacists are automatically malicious. Proving intent? Nah, dude only went there to spew hatred and kill people. No need to look any deeper, because the guy was clearly evil from the get-go. It's not like any regular people were there as well, or like anybody who was there had disavowed the actions of the previous day.

 

 

Seriously though, Yeah, he deserves jailtime, can't even argue that. Regardless of reasons, he ended a life, and harmed multiple others. That said, stamping him with the title of "white supremacist with malicious intent" is not something that has even remotely been proven yet. We have ample reason to believe things had gotten far too hectic, and james may well have been placed into a state of panic by the inclusion of weaponry. Does that justify his actions? Not in the least, but it does negate the attempt to stamp intent where it does not belong. Involuntary manslaughter, 5-10 years, and call it a sentence. He's not some absolute villain. He's got no history of violent offenses. He's a guy that majorly funked up, and while punishment is not even a question, his sentence should reflect the actual circumstances of the action, not the perceived image of it. That said, he's likely going to get the full book thrown at him, and that's about the saddest thing i can think of.

this guy is talking about a separate incident that occurred LITERAL HOURS before fields drove his car into the protestors you idiot. v1aine you're doing it again where you're parroting right wing narratives while doing no outside research yourself, read the funking police report or the court case instead of watching youtubers. and for someone who complains 

 

tell me how it's manslaughter v1ainey, tell me how you know better then the court of law. the footage is right there for pretty much the entire crash. bring it up homeslice. c'mon. 

 

https://youtu.be/U0dgg9dXLm0?t=2259

 

In the full youtube clip he makes it very clear that James was circling the perimeter multiple times and ONE OF THOSE TIMES he presented his rifle to him, on the LAST TIME (a separate time) he decided to ram in and kill Heather Heyer. These are unrelated incidents if you watched anything besides a heavily clipped and edited right-wing slanted clip this much would be clear.

 

You moron.

[Phantom Roxas]

[spoiler=Wonder what they" re gonna sentence the guy who made fields drive off with]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hz9mKPiDrv4

 

 

It's all good though, because the guy convicted was a white supremacist. Any and all actions relating to White Supremacists are automatically malicious. Proving intent? Nah, dude only went there to spew hatred and kill people. No need to look any deeper, because the guy was clearly evil from the get-go. It's not like any regular people were there as well, or like anybody who was there had disavowed the actions of the previous day.

 

 

Seriously though, Yeah, he deserves jailtime, can't even argue that. Regardless of reasons, he ended a life, and harmed multiple others. That said, stamping him with the title of "white supremacist with malicious intent" is not something that has even remotely been proven yet. We have ample reason to believe things had gotten far too hectic, and james may well have been placed into a state of panic by the inclusion of weaponry. Does that justify his actions? Not in the least, but it does negate the attempt to stamp intent where it does not belong. Involuntary manslaughter, 5-10 years, and call it a sentence. He's not some absolute villain. He's got no history of violent offenses. He's a guy that majorly funked up, and while punishment is not even a question, his sentence should reflect the actual circumstances of the action, not the perceived image of it. That said, he's likely going to get the full book thrown at him, and that's about the saddest thing i can think of.

 

High school teachers back up that he personally advocated for white supremacist beliefs while he was a student, and the trial specifically challenged the notion that he panicked, with evidence showing that his actions could not have been the result of panic. It was voluntary, and as a result, he now has a history of violent offenses. The sentence does reflect the actual circumstances, so claiming that this was only the "perceived image" blatantly disregards that the trial already met the burden of proof that you're asking for.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

That they wanted to make an example out of him to satisfy the SJW types? He's a nazi so I don't really care, but the fix was in from the start. The video evidence suggesting he didn't panic was pretty questionable. And the crowd he rammed into was majority white so it's not like he was advancing his ethnostate values. 

[spoiler=Wonder what they're gonna sentence the guy who made fields drive off with]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hz9mKPiDrv4

 

 

It's all good though, because the guy convicted was a white supremacist. Any and all actions relating to White Supremacists are automatically malicious. Proving intent? Nah, dude only went there to spew hatred and kill people. No need to look any deeper, because the guy was clearly evil from the get-go. It's not like any regular people were there as well, or like anybody who was there had disavowed the actions of the previous day.

 

 

Seriously though, Yeah, he deserves jailtime, can't even argue that. Regardless of reasons, he ended a life, and harmed multiple others. That said, stamping him with the title of "white supremacist with malicious intent" is not something that has even remotely been proven yet. We have ample reason to believe things had gotten far too hectic, and james may well have been placed into a state of panic by the inclusion of weaponry. Does that justify his actions? Not in the least, but it does negate the attempt to stamp intent where it does not belong. Involuntary manslaughter, 5-10 years, and call it a sentence. He's not some absolute villain. He's got no history of violent offenses. He's a guy that majorly funked up, and while punishment is not even a question, his sentence should reflect the actual circumstances of the action, not the perceived image of it. That said, he's likely going to get the full book thrown at him, and that's about the saddest thing i can think of.

He's going to get the full book and maybe the chair thrown at him simply because the left will trip over themselves to virtue signal. That would be easier to do than address the fact that 1) having a mob surround your car is scary 2) said mob is full of filth that are honesty as bad as the Nazis Fields palled around with. 

 

Now Field's and his fellow co-patriots pulled the sheet in the middle of a important gov race which likely helped swing the election to the dems, so funk him. But pretending this was justice is crap, it's them wanting to string up anyone they can get their hands on

[Phantom Roxas]

That they wanted to make an example out of him to satisfy the skeleton types? He's a nazi so I don't really care, but the fix was in from the start. The video evidence suggesting he didn't panic was pretty questionable. And the crowd he rammed into was majority white so it's not like he was advancing his ethnostate values. 

 

Do you have any evidence that this was being done to "make an example out of him" to pander to any particular group, or is this just speculation? Because it seems that the charges being filed against him (The hate crime charges will be the subject of a different trial, so I'm only focusing on the charges of first-degree murder and malicious wounding here) were all being properly accounted for.

 

If he didn't want to be "made an example of", he should not have committed such egregious crimes that he would be appropriately sentenced for.

[Proto]

That they wanted to make an example out of him to satisfy the SJW types? He's a nazi so I don't really care, but the fix was in from the start. The video evidence suggesting he didn't panic was pretty questionable. And the crowd he rammed into was majority white so it's not like he was advancing his ethnostate values. 

 how exactly was it questionable? gimme your consensus because from the testimony that vla1ne brought up it appeared that fields was circling the protest group of antifa multiple times in spite of having a gun at one point put in his face. so how was he panicked? seemed like he was thinking about it a few times if ya'll consider that man to be a reliable witness.

 

so out of everything a joke about how because he killed a white person he's not a racist. wow much shitpost. the nazis totally didn't view "race traitors" as being something below human as well.

 

 

He's going to get the full book and maybe the chair thrown at him simply because the left will trip over themselves to virtue signal. That would be easier to do than address the fact that 1) having a mob surround your car is scary 2) said mob is full of filth that are honesty as bad as the Nazis Fields palled around with. 

 

Now Field's and his fellow co-patriots pulled the sheet in the middle of a important gov race which likely helped swing the election to the dems, so funk him. But pretending this was justice is crap, it's them wanting to string up anyone they can get their hands on

 

Alright, so I'm not going to post the full video because I think literally linking someone getting murdered on a yugioh forum might be a problem but this, you see this?

 

fields was obviously charging in from a clear street, hardly "surrounded by a mob" to the guise that it could be self defense.

 

heather heyes was convicted of no crime, has no evidence of her being anything besides someone who's anti-nazi who decided to go to a protest that was in her own city protesting the nazis. there's not even much evidence that she was antifa. 

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

 how exactly was it questionable? gimme your consensus because from the testimony that vla1ne brought up it appeared that fields was circling the protest group of antifa multiple times in spite of having a gun at one point put in his face. so how was he panicked? seemed like he was thinking about it a few times if ya'll consider that man to be a reliable witness.

 

so out of everything a joke about how because he killed a white person he's not a racist. wow much shitpost. the nazis totally didn't view "race traitors" as being something below human as well.

Hold up, I'm not tryna defend the guy. I couldn't care less what happens to him unlike Val1ne. As I said, the only thing I regret is he only ran over 1 of the rats, and that none of the rats put him down. World would be better that way. 

 

That aside, if you watch the video it looks like he was tryna get out, and there was antifa in all sides. He was only going about 20 MPH, he could have sped through and ran over more people. Instead he got out of his car and tried to run. Sounds like a guy who panics. But who cares, he made friends with Nazis and deserves what he's gonna get, which is injustice 

Do you have any evidence that this was being done to "make an example out of him" to pander to any particular group, or is this just speculation? Because it seems that the charges being filed against him (The hate crime charges will be the subject of a different trial, so I'm only focusing on the charges of first-degree murder and malicious wounding here) were all being properly accounted for.

 

If he didn't want to be "made an example of", he should not have committed such egregious crimes that he would be appropriately sentenced for.

The whole sheet show of getting his old teachers to rant about his views and all to toxify the jury pool when none of that's really relevant comes off as interesting. Also didn't the same judge punish the Antifa guy who attacked people with a one dollar penalty. They wanted to get enough smoke out of a conviction to set an example. It's standard law practice actually. 

[Proto]

Hold up, I'm not tryna defend the guy. I couldn't care less what happens to him unlike Val1ne. As I said, the only thing I regret is he only ran over 1 of the rats, and that none of the rats put him down. World would be better that way. 

 

That aside, if you watch the video it looks like he was tryna get out, and there was antifa in all sides. He was only going about 20 MPH, he could have sped through and ran over more people. Instead he got out of his car and tried to run. Sounds like a guy who panics. But who cares, he made friends with Nazis and deserves what he's gonna get, which is injustice 

Well you clearly have some sort of problem with him getting sentenced that harshly since you found the need to label him a martyr of the republicans to appease the sjw left.

 

So why don't you defend your claim? I'm a fan of the judicial system. I don't like them getting tarnished. 

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

The only problem I have is that he chose to do this in August instead of December which helped the dems win the 2017 VA gov race. 

 

This is your evidence? There are clearly clowns behind him too. Antifa does this whole crowd around cars Walking Dead style. Not sure what they were expecting would happen. 

[Proto]

The only problem I have is that he chose to do this in August instead of December which helped the dems win the 2017 VA gov race. 

 

This is your evidence? There are clearly clowns behind him too. Antifa does this whole crowd around cars Walking Dead style. Not sure what they were expecting would happen. 

 

 

Alright, so you just decide to spout reactionary rhetoric you either can't or are unwilling to defend order to spread more anti-government lies with hopes that you'd be fortunate enough to not actually have to back them up.

You see why I only come out when you post Melkor? Because when this forum's filled with people who aren't political some people might actually take these unsubstantiated claims seriously.

 

I'm gonna spoiler the entire video but, yeah the frame alone doesn't do it justice. Gonna spoiler it but you can see from the first frames of it that he was clearly not in danger.

 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erg-sYrPOLQ

 

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Alright, so you just decide to spout reactionary rhetoric you either can't or are unwilling to defend order to spread more anti-government lies with hopes that you'd be fortunate enough to not actually have to back them up.

You see why I only come out when you post Melkor? Because when this forum's filled with people who aren't political some people might actually take these unsubstantiated claims seriously.

 

I'm gonna spoiler the entire video but, yeah the frame alone doesn't do it justice. Gonna spoiler it but you can see from the first frames of it that he was clearly not in danger.

 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erg-sYrPOLQ

 

No? I didn't spout anything. They focused a large portion of the trial on his political opinions to get the jury on their side. Its not wrong at all, a lot of juries do it, but they wanted to get him a max sentence to make an example. 

 

You come out because you're an antifa sympathizing troll Proto, stop acting like some moral saint lol. 

 

Again they're shooting the video from behind him. If he wanted to kill the most amount of people he wouldn't have rammed into a car (which is an in elastic collision and lowers his potential kinetic energy) he would have just hit the people behind him.

 

I eagerly await your soap box response 

[Proto]

They needed to know his political opinions to gauge whether it was a hate crime or not.

 

Is this what you do when people question your beliefs and cite things? Call them trolls? I thought that was supposed to be our play over here on the NPC team. I just do this because you lie a lot.

 

I'm not assuming he's some genius or anything, I'm assuming that he saw the biggest chokehold of protestors up ahead and decided to try his luck there. Might've not even seen the car up ahead with the amount of protestors in front of him blocking the view.

[Dad]

[spoiler=Wonder what they're gonna sentence the guy who made fields drive off with]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hz9mKPiDrv4

 

 

It's all good though, because the guy convicted was a white supremacist. Any and all actions relating to White Supremacists are automatically malicious. Proving intent? Nah, dude only went there to spew hatred and kill people. No need to look any deeper, because the guy was clearly evil from the get-go. It's not like any regular people were there as well, or like anybody who was there had disavowed the actions of the previous day.

 

 

Seriously though, Yeah, he deserves jailtime, can't even argue that. Regardless of reasons, he ended a life, and harmed multiple others. That said, stamping him with the title of "white supremacist with malicious intent" is not something that has even remotely been proven yet. We have ample reason to believe things had gotten far too hectic, and james may well have been placed into a state of panic by the inclusion of weaponry. Does that justify his actions? Not in the least, but it does negate the attempt to stamp intent where it does not belong. Involuntary manslaughter, 5-10 years, and call it a sentence. He's not some absolute villain. He's got no history of violent offenses. He's a guy that majorly funked up, and while punishment is not even a question, his sentence should reflect the actual circumstances of the action, not the perceived image of it. That said, he's likely going to get the full book thrown at him, and that's about the saddest thing i can think of.

Saddest thing i can think of is a jabroni defending a Nazi.

[Blake]

Busy atm, so gonna keep this brief.

 

Roxas, you are not a moderator. Do not tell people how to behave simply because you made the thread.

 

Proto, stop baiting and don't call people morons.

 

Winter, watch your comments. While Roxas has no power here, that doesn't mean you should be spouting off controversial sheet like asking for Nazis and Antifa to kill each other. And, similar to Proto, stop baiting. Plus, you know, stop trying to win some sort of moral highground when you can just stick to your arguments instead.

[LordCowCowCowCowCowCowCowCow]

Saddest thing i can think of is a jabroni defending a Nazi.

Adding to the above post. (or rather it WAS above but now it's on the previous page, oops)

This is spam and not fit for Debates.

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Things have been generally tame lately but anything more out of any of you here will be punished.

[vla1ne]

Keeping my own responses brief as well, first off, his political opinions, while relevant to the rally, do nothing for the actual case. It's virtue signaling at best, and ad hoc arguing at worst. Relating to the court case:

http://www.unz.com/article/todays-testimony-of-military-rifle-toting-antifa-enforcer-dwayne-dixon-should-gravely-damage-charlottesville-prosecution/

That professor is on record, on the day of the event, instructing people to block traffic, to create public disturbance, and generally cause trouble at what could have been, and what would have been, a rather peaceful protest on that day. In other words, dixon was completely in the wrong, no matter what fields did (this does not absolve fields, but again, it removes any argument of intent). It's been shown in court that fields had attempted to leave, and that he'd inputted directions into google maps to find out how he could, yet his options were blocked, by the commands of a particular professsor who had ZERO authority to block road traffic, and had no discernible reason to brandish a weapon in said roads towards vehicles yet he did so anyways, as his own post proudly proclaims. 

 

In short, this was not willful murder, this was manslaughter at best. His available actions were sealed off with established malicious intent, and while he deserves jailtime for the death of another person, his only real mistake was being afraid if the group of nutjobs who would willingly allow themselves to be hit by traffic, all so they can persecute a group of people who were doing no harm to them.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Keeping my own responses brief as well, first off, his political opinions, while relevant to the rally, do nothing for the actual case. It's virtue signaling at best, and ad hoc arguing at worst. Relating to the court case:

http://www.unz.com/article/todays-testimony-of-military-rifle-toting-antifa-enforcer-dwayne-dixon-should-gravely-damage-charlottesville-prosecution/

That professor is on record, on the day of the event, instructing people to block traffic, to create public disturbance, and generally cause trouble at what could have been, and what would have been, a rather peaceful protest on that day. In other words, dixon was completely in the wrong, no matter what fields did (this does not absolve fields, but again, it removes any argument of intent). It's been shown in court that fields had attempted to leave, and that he'd inputted directions into google maps to find out how he could, yet his options were blocked, by the commands of a particular professsor who had ZERO authority to block road traffic, and had no discernible reason to brandish a weapon in said roads towards vehicles yet he did so anyways, as his own post proudly proclaims. 

 

In short, this was not willful murder, this was manslaughter at best. His available actions were sealed off with established malicious intent, and while he deserves jailtime for the death of another person, his only real mistake was being afraid if the group of nutjobs who would willingly allow themselves to be hit by traffic, all so they can persecute a group of people who were doing no harm to them.

 

They're getting more Brazen too. They're shutting down intersections like this and threatening people. Granted most of them don't run them over

[Phantom Roxas]

Nothing I'm seeing says that his options on Google Maps were blocked. The trial focused on how it was difficult to determine which route he did take.
 
So we can't assume that James Fields had malicious intent, but it's acceptable to claim that literally everyone else had "established" malicious intent? Sorry, I don't buy that. His attempts to flee the scene were part of his charges. You're arguing that he was in fact afraid, which is weird because you're telling us we cannot assume what his intentions were, while you are assuming what his intentions were.
 
I find it difficult to believe that the white nationalists "were doing no harm to them" when this is a thread about how someone from that group was found guilty of murder and malicious wounding.

https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/420083-charlottesville-murder-suspect-accused-heather-heyers-mother-of
 

Fields accused Bro of publicly slandering him and called her a “communist” and “anti-white supremacist.”

“She lost her daughter,” his mother reminded him.

“It doesn’t (expletive) matter,” Fields said.

His mother advised him to “stop talking” but her son insisted that Bro is “the enemy.”

“She is a communist, mother. … She is the enemy,” he said.

Huh, weird that he would call Susan Bro "the enemy" and say that Heather Heyer's death "doesn't matter".

 

Nope, can't see any malice there.

[vla1ne]

[spoiler=i missed it at first as well]

 

 

 

You see the red box that says roadblick? Right along the path the the blue google line says to take? with the light red haze around the upper road blocking the green line that was james fields' path? None of those roads should have been blocked, but thanks to antifa groups, said roads were indeed cordoned off, or choked with more people than they should have been. The path he then took, at the time held fewer people, and thus, was the path of least resistance, thinking, like most of us would have, that he could leave faster if he took the clearer road. We know how well that ended, but the though process can be reached perfectly fine with no ill intent on his end. How was he supposed to know some dick with a gun would block the roads illegally? Or that the people attacking cars in the road weren't armed and extremely hostile, like some of the people he had already seen? (The hostile ones may not have had the guns, but the ones with guns were indeed alongside the hostile ones, making the threat of potential bullets, in a situation where he does not have the luxury of hindsight, into a very real one.)

 

No, we do not establish ill intent for no reason, for anybody. What we do, is establish intent based upon what we have, what we have of the professor is video of him actively telling people to block roads with their bodies if they have to. on video nonetheless, and we have a post about him taking a sick pleasure in driving said man off with a gun present.This isn't india, we have proper sidewalks for a reason, and procedures to follow if you wish to block off the streets for any reason. this entire situation was only possible because people who should not have been in the roads, were in the roads, threatening drivers. dixon, as one of the main people involved, and on video directing the actions, does indeed hold responsibility for that much.

 

You are using the actions discussed here, with a defense that i (and the article i linked) already pointed out the holes in. Look at the map, look at the avenues available. He was going 27 mph, when he hit them. He was confirmed to have checked google maps twice for a way out of the impromptu roadblocks, all reasonable roads are blocked, and his brake lights were on when he hit said people. Who was he planning to kill going so slowly? 

 

I already explained why this situation does not hold water for the clam of malicious intent. Virtue signaling and political affiliation were the main weapons of the trial. He got nailed on some bull. I would defend any person who got hit with this kind of charge, in this manner, be they commie, nazi, socialist, anarchist, religious nutjob, regular nutjob, ect. As far as his conversation with his mother, he's been locked up for a year already at that point, getting slandered by people who put him into that situation, not a single media source is looking at the story objectively. He likely knew from the moment he got the news of a body that he wasn't gonna get a fair deal. He's talking about people who have effectively ruined his life via their own irresponsibility. You can't tell me you wouldn't be pissed at that were the positions swapped. His actions lead to the death of a person. He gets jailtime regardless, on that alone, and i have no qualms about that. Facing life for what what is demonstrably an accident though, is something anybody would be pissed on.