Ryusei the Morning Star Posted December 10, 2018 Report Share Posted December 10, 2018 Banned: Glow Up BulbDandylionFirewall DragonKnightmare GoblinBlackwing Steam the CloakMX-Saber InvokerPhoenix BladeNumber 95 Dark Matter Dragon Limited MultifakerNeedlefiberChronograph Sorcerer KatagiraMathmatician Semilimited JugglerDenglongCandinaSnow WhiteCeasefireSpellbook of KnowledgePersonal Spoofing UnlimitedDanteNekroz BrioRing of DestructionTrue Draco Apocalypse I funking hate this https://yu-gi-oh.jp/index.php?page=details&id=445 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darj Posted December 10, 2018 Report Share Posted December 10, 2018 So they did address Phoenix Blade unlike TCG.Bans on Firewall and Invoker don't surprise me, the rest does. Were Plants doing too much over there or what?What with the hit on Dark Matter Dragon? Preemptive measures for Guardragon? Measures against Gandora FTK?Limit on Needlefiber shouldn't hurt much.Hits on Kagari and Multifaker gives me the impression that want to cycle out Altergeist and Strikers already.+1 Denglong? A bit of love for YZs I guess since the more relevant that splash it don't need more than 1 AFAIK. I would be surprised if these hits don't re-shape the meta. Furthermore, the victory of Prank-kids in YCS Milan of this year could shake some things up in OCG as well, IDK.As a semi-competitive, virtual TCG/OCG player running Sky Striker Mekk-Knights, the hits on Kagari would hurt the deck badly and even with 2+ ED slots available plus support from the Mekks, I doubt the deck would be any potent anymore. I think I would have to find another deck to mess with, for whenever I play with OCG format. EDIT:By the way, you wrote "Knowledge" instead of "Ceasefire". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~British Soul~ Posted December 10, 2018 Report Share Posted December 10, 2018 Bans on Firewall and Invoker don't surprise me, the rest does.Goblin's ban surprised you? Considering TCG did it a couple of lists ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darj Posted December 10, 2018 Report Share Posted December 10, 2018 Goblin's ban surprised you? Considering TCG did it a couple of lists ago. Yes, but to me it looked like TCG scapegoating Goblin for Firewall. They did ban Firewall later on and yet didn't move Goblin up, but that felt more like a lazy move to me. IMO Goblin doesn't need a hit, since it's an splashable combo-extender that can help so many decks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~British Soul~ Posted December 10, 2018 Report Share Posted December 10, 2018 Yes, but to me it looked like TCG scapegoating Goblin for Firewall. They did ban Firewall later on and yet didn't move Goblin up, but that felt more like a lazy move to me. IMO Goblin doesn't need a hit, since it's an splashable combo-extender that can help so many decks.Y'know I'd be fine with Goblin coming back to @1 now that Firewall is gone, but the OCG banning Goblin makes me think that Goblin might not move up for some time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted December 10, 2018 Author Report Share Posted December 10, 2018 Goblin's ban surprised you? Considering TCG did it a couple of lists ago.Well yeah, OCG already took care of the main problem in summon sorc, it just seems like they went overboard to make sure sheet was dead dead dead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Warden Posted December 10, 2018 Report Share Posted December 10, 2018 @@Darj Basically with Glow-Up an Dandy, it was just link spam stuff. Summon Glow-Up off of Needlefiber, make a link with it, revive Glow-Up with its own effect to serve as a link material again. Basically just free stuff for Needlefiber to abuse. Dandylion, I presume, was because it farted out 2 free tokens nearly effortlessly, which is 2 more link mats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted December 10, 2018 Author Report Share Posted December 10, 2018 @@Darj Basically with Glow-Up an Dandy, it was just link spam stuff. Summon Glow-Up off of Needlefiber, make a link with it, revive Glow-Up with its own effect to serve as a link material again. Basically just free stuff for Needlefiber to abuse. Dandylion, I presume, was because it farted out 2 free tokens nearly effortlessly, which is 2 more link mats.It still feels way too over kill. Also wonder why they didn't copy the TCG and limit Armageddon and semi-Mali. Might end up biting them Thank you OCG, very cool, I too enjoy having my decks neutered for no reason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darj Posted December 10, 2018 Report Share Posted December 10, 2018 @@Darj Basically with Glow-Up an Dandy, it was just link spam stuff. Summon Glow-Up off of Needlefiber, make a link with it, revive Glow-Up with its own effect to serve as a link material again. Basically just free stuff for Needlefiber to abuse. Dandylion, I presume, was because it farted out 2 free tokens nearly effortlessly, which is 2 more link mats. Well yes, but were they that problematic? I know Needlefiber --> Glow-Up could easily lead to a Borrel or Link4 and go for an OTK or break a board, but was it that much of a problem to go as far as banning Glow-Up? Then, looking at the banlist and Gouki topping decklists, Mathematician --> mill Dandy is a glaring combo, and they went as far as to hit both. Not to mention Sorceress and now Firewall were dealt with. I'm skeptical on their hits and I think they instead could have just hit more Gouki stuff in addition to Invoker. Besides, it seems Goukis took advantage of Math and Dandy as Level3s for Invoker and I'm guessing Cherubini as well, but with Invoker no longer around, they may not need them as much anymore, so it really looks like an overkill banlist move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted December 10, 2018 Author Report Share Posted December 10, 2018 Bulb may come back eventually I guess? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(GigaDrillBreaker) Posted December 10, 2018 Report Share Posted December 10, 2018 Time for kozmo to take over the meta Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darj Posted December 10, 2018 Report Share Posted December 10, 2018 Bulb may come back eventually I guess? IDK. Does it have to? For Link laddering purposes, O-Lion should be close to an effective replacement of it as it also translates into an extra monster when it hits the GY. A notable difference is that Glow-Up as a Tuner could be used for Synchros like Borreload Savage Dragon, but other than Pendulum Magicians, I don't see other topping decks that ran Synchros along Glow-Up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted December 10, 2018 Author Report Share Posted December 10, 2018 I mean it was the preferred tuner in the game.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darj Posted December 10, 2018 Report Share Posted December 10, 2018 I mean it was the preferred tuner in the game.... And now that Tuner will be O-Lion. Get used to Summoning Wendigo instead of our lady and savior Sheky :v Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted December 10, 2018 Author Report Share Posted December 10, 2018 And now that Tuner will be O-Lion. Get used to Summoning Wendigo instead of our lady and savior Sheky :vYou might as well play Hero Dolls then Stratos to make Wendigo, then use Mali to make Beatrice I found this from uh 2 formats ago iirc, might be worth looking into The needlefiber limit is brutal though More so than wendigo, you're gonna see a lot more of Jet Synchron and GrystaYou could also go back to the Triple Pillars version of Dolls given Denglong is at 2. Infernity barriar every turn can likely stop the bleeding. Then again, losing the second needle hurts there as well. It's just bad news all over for us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darj Posted December 10, 2018 Report Share Posted December 10, 2018 I would need to see the deck in action to understand better how losing a Needlefiber is a big hit. I would think it's good enough to keep the 1 copy on board to make it float during the opponent's turn and use the 2 pointed Zones for ED follow-ups. Dino Dolls with Construct around seems promising, yeah. I have not tested any Shaddoll builds in TCG because they don't dare to allow Construct back yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted December 10, 2018 Author Report Share Posted December 10, 2018 I would need to see the deck in action to understand better how losing a Needlefiber is a big hit. I would think it's good enough to keep the 1 copy on board to make it float during the opponent's turn and use the 2 pointed Zones for ED follow-ups. Dino Dolls with Construct around seems promising, yeah. I have not tested any Shaddoll builds in TCG because they don't dare to allow Construct back yet.Yeah, not exactly sure what to do on Doll front, I guess the spellbook engine is semi-consistent again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darj Posted December 10, 2018 Report Share Posted December 10, 2018 Yeah, not exactly sure what to do on Doll front, I guess the spellbook engine is semi-consistent again? IDK, it so happens to be hit by this list with a semi-Limit on Knowledge. I would test a Dino and/or Invoked engines first. I have always thought that Aleister is good for Shaddolls as material for Winda/Midrash, stunning a bit with Caliga, getting a Fusion Spell if you didn't hard-draw any Shaddoll Fusion Spell, and empowering the Shaddoll Fusions with its ATK-boosting effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted December 10, 2018 Author Report Share Posted December 10, 2018 IDK, it so happens to be hit by this list with a semi-Limit on Knowledge. I would test a Dino and/or Invoked engines first. I have always thought that Aleister is good for Shaddolls as material for Winda/Midrash, stunning a bit with Caliga, getting a Fusion Spell if you didn't hard-draw any Shaddoll Fusion Spell, and empowering the Shaddoll Fusions with its ATK-boosting effect.Invoked might work actually. But your normals are going to be really limited right now. Think about it, Armageddon, Invoker Blue Boy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darj Posted December 10, 2018 Report Share Posted December 10, 2018 Invoked might work actually. But your normals are going to be really limited right now. Think about it, Armageddon, Invoker Blue Boy? No Blue boy, IMO. The clash would be between Armageddon and Aleister. Heck, theoretically you could keep 1 Aleister/2 Invocation as an simplified engine and fill the rest with Armageddon plus DARK friends or Dino stuff, IDK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted December 10, 2018 Author Report Share Posted December 10, 2018 No Blue boy, IMO. The clash would be between Armageddon and Aleister. Heck, theoretically you could keep 1 Aleister/2 Invocation as an simplified engine and fill the rest with Armageddon plus DARK friends or Dino stuff, IDK.Not playing the spellbook engine?We got Juggler back to 2, but I still feel Cydra is the better engine here. I could be wrong on that however Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darj Posted December 10, 2018 Report Share Posted December 10, 2018 Not playing the spellbook engine? Would rather not, personally. What are you going to run? 3 Boy, 3 Secrets, 2 Knowledge? Too much space for some draw power when AFAIK you are better off putting monsters on board than trading them for card draws. But IDK, I'm rusty with Shaddolls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted December 10, 2018 Author Report Share Posted December 10, 2018 Would rather not, personally. What are you going to run? 3 Boy, 3 Secrets, 2 Knowledge? Too much space for some draw power when AFAIK you are better off putting monsters on board than trading them for card draws. But IDK, I'm rusty with Shaddolls.1 Blue, 3 Secrets, 2 Knowledge actually Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~British Soul~ Posted December 10, 2018 Report Share Posted December 10, 2018 Well yeah, OCG already took care of the main problem in summon sorc, it just seems like they went overboard to make sure sheet was dead dead deadIn that case, I suppose the O in OCG stands for Overkill then . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted December 10, 2018 Author Report Share Posted December 10, 2018 Yeah and it doesn't bode well for poor Bulb returning any time soon. Typical turn over is 2.5 years of 8 formats Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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