Ryusei the Morning Star Posted October 27, 2018 Report Share Posted October 27, 2018 Watch the whole thing, it's short, but this is amazing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snatch Steal Posted October 27, 2018 Report Share Posted October 27, 2018 Ironic how just today you were criticizing democracy Perhaps now we know why Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted October 27, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 27, 2018 Ironic how just today you were criticizing democracy Perhaps now we know whyNah that was just me thinking how America could be better if we threw all the social progressives in a cell and instead worked on single mindedly advancing our country in tangible means ie. While we debated non-binary pronouns, china made a metal that can help stabilize a space elevator Which irritated me, we're getting the rug pulled out from under out feet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dad Posted October 27, 2018 Report Share Posted October 27, 2018 That's Cuz China isn't cutting their education for private prisons. Aka, most of Louisiana which houses more prisoners than... China. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted October 31, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 31, 2018 That's Cuz China isn't cutting their education for private prisons. Aka, most of Louisiana which houses more prisoners than... China.China also doesn't tolerate SJWsWho do nothing but waste society's time. If you want social justice in China, you'll get a bullet to the back of the head and a shallow grave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snatch Steal Posted October 31, 2018 Report Share Posted October 31, 2018 So you're advocating violence against and imprisonment for your political opponents... Is it really that hard to see why your opinions are considered contentious? And besides that, utilitarians want utilitarianism until those in power exploit them for it. You can't possibly tell me that China is better off this way all things considered. I think the kind of society where only people of monolithic political belief work tirelessly in manual labor for the sake of an unclear benefit to society with very few ways to implement it or enjoy it.... ....is communism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted October 31, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 31, 2018 So you're advocating violence against and imprisonment for your political opponents... Is it really that hard to see why your opinions are considered contentious? And besides that, utilitarians want utilitarianism until those in power exploit them for it. You can't possibly tell me that China is better off this way all things considered. I think the kind of society where only people of monolithic political belief work tirelessly in manual labor for the sake of an unclear benefit to society with very few ways to implement it or enjoy it.... ....is communism.No just stating a fact, china doesn't really tolerate dissidents well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snatch Steal Posted October 31, 2018 Report Share Posted October 31, 2018 No just stating a fact, china doesn't really tolerate dissidents well That's not a good thing honey. Right to protest is a very important aspect of American political discourse. It's why you don't necessarily deserve to be demonetized for saying "I like Trump." It's unpopular, but it passes the clear-and-present-danger test, perhaps with flying colors. China is kind of a funked up country and we shouldn't necessarily idealize a society where people have to toil away making stuff that doesn't make or help make anybody's conditions any better off. Like, okay, we made space metal. Cool. Does the ozone layer still have a hole in it? Is smog still a massive hindrance in China? Are multinational corporations creating monopolies that threaten to send us into late-stage anarcho-capitalistic cataclysm? Is it still possible for illegal immigrants to receive tax benefits that take advantage of legal residents? Are jobs still being outsourced to sweatshops overseas? There are way bigger problems than building space metal. It's helpful, but it should by no means be a priority. That said, consider the following: edit: I advocate moving this thread to debates considering the direction this conversation is heading Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted October 31, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 31, 2018 That's not a good thing honey. Right to protest is a very important aspect of American political discourse. It's why you don't necessarily deserve to be demonetized for saying "I like Trump." It's unpopular, but it passes the clear-and-present-danger test, perhaps with flying colors. China is kind of a funked up country and we shouldn't necessarily idealize a society where people have to toil away making stuff that doesn't make or help make anybody's conditions any better off. Like, okay, we made space metal. Cool. Does the ozone layer still have a hole in it? Is smog still a massive hindrance in China? Are multinational corporations creating monopolies that threaten to send us into late-stage anarcho-capitalistic cataclysm? Is it still possible for illegal immigrants to receive tax benefits that take advantage of legal residents? Are jobs still being outsourced to sweatshops overseas? There are way bigger problems than building space metal. It's helpful, but it should by no means be a priority. That said, consider the following: edit: I advocate moving this thread to debates considering the direction this conversation is headingI don't think you realize what a space elevator can do for China. My only point is that China has stopped a lot of the side conversations that have no real tangible point, and have delivered on physical progress. They're going to overtake us for a reason you know... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proto Posted October 31, 2018 Report Share Posted October 31, 2018 I don't think you realize what a space elevator can do for China. My only point is that China has stopped a lot of the side conversations that have no real tangible point, and have delivered on physical progress. They're going to overtake us for a reason you know...Since this is basically Debates lite right now it's time for me to step in I suppose. The side conversations have a pretty tangible point because when you don't have the benefit of having an awful, awful standard of living, the value of people besides the average male is actually a pretty important conversation. There are a whole lot of other factors that have to do with China being a giant player in the economy and not all of it has to do with them not having "ESS JAY DUBBYAS". So attributing that solely to their social choices is absolutely bullocks. Unless you want me to argue that having a single child limit on all American households is important because "China does it and they're doing well". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted October 31, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 31, 2018 Since this is basically Debates lite right now it's time for me to step in I suppose. The side conversations have a pretty tangible point because when you don't have the benefit of having an awful, awful standard of living, the value of people besides the average male is actually a pretty important conversation. There are a whole lot of other factors that have to do with China being a giant player in the economy and not all of it has to do with them not having "ESS JAY DUBBYAS". So attributing that solely to their social choices is absolutely bullocks. Unless you want me to argue that having a single child limit on all American households is important because "China does it and they're doing well".No, but china's control over its labor force is pretty vital to their advances. And that is related to keeping them singularly focused on the grand vision of the government. I offer not condonment or condemnation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snatch Steal Posted October 31, 2018 Report Share Posted October 31, 2018 I don't think you realize what a space elevator can do for China. Feel free to explain I guess My only point is that China has stopped a lot of the side conversations that have no real tangible point, and have delivered on physical progress. To progressives, the censorable stuff you say is """"side conversations that have no real tangible point."""" I don't have a good logical fallacy to screenshot, it's just hypocrisy They're going to overtake us for a reason you know... Anyway I shouldn't feel like you need to side with me. We have different priorities and that's how it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted October 31, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 31, 2018 Feel free to explain I guess To progressives, the censorable stuff you say is """"side conversations that have no real tangible point."""" I don't have a good logical fallacy to screenshot, it's just hypocrisy No...their GDP is rising at a faster rate...its more of a mathematics projection actually Also did you know the slippery slope isn't always a fallacy. http://www.csun.edu/~dgw61315/fallacies.html#Slippery%20slope Here, free TIL on me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proto Posted October 31, 2018 Report Share Posted October 31, 2018 No, but china's control over its labor force is pretty vital to their advances. And that is related to keeping them singularly focused on the grand vision of the government. I offer not condonment or condemnation Sure. Then don't talk about how this growth has any link with their shitty social politics. To refer to that link you gave us that's a Cum hoc ergo propter hoc I'd say China's advancements has much more to do with their dictator-like governmental system, size, and deplorable living conditions have more of a impact on their labor force, rather then their lack of embrace of social politics. Plus it was founded on entirely different values then the United States and... so and so on. You bringing up social politics as in that's the only difference thats HOLDING THE US BACK is utterly ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted October 31, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 31, 2018 Sure. Then don't talk about how this growth has any link with their shitty social politics. To refer to that link you gave us that's a Cum hoc ergo propter hoc I'd say China's advancements has much more to do with their dictator-like governmental system, size, and deplorable living conditions have more of a impact on their labor force, rather then their lack of embrace of social politics. Plus it was founded on entirely different values then the United States and... so and so on. You bringing up social politics as in that's the only difference thats HOLDING THE US BACK is utterly ridiculous.China's control over their labor force is social. They're basically ethnically cleansing out populations they feel are troublesome and nobody bats an eye. Social politics tends to give sects of labor an identity that detracts from a grand vision. It's not the only difference, but it's a major one. To give an analogy, it's like curve fitting, if you try to curve fit for every single point, you get a very complex curve that really isn't useful. What china is doing is removing the minority of outliers that are moving in selfish directions. The US on the other hand coddles and gives credence to all these splinter groups while China ignores or silences them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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