Political Violence

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/collins-husband-ricin-threat-mentioned-kavanaugh-vote-58556545

 

It's just good the left is taking this well. They already tried assassinating senators over healthcare last year, so going walter white isn't that shocking.

 

- A threatening letter sent to the home of Republican Sen. Susan Collins that contained deadly ricin specifically mentioned her vote to confirm Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh, her husband said. Thomas Daffron, who opened the letter Monday, said the writer claimed the letter was tainted with ricin residue.

[Proto]

I'm not really sure where the debate here is or why some random death threats/attempts on lives are representative of the entire left?

 

What democratic leader has said anything regarding it? 

 

Is the killer of Heather Heyes representative of the entire right? 

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

I'm not really sure where the debate here is or why some random death threats/attempts on lives are representative of the entire left?

 

What democratic leader has said anything regarding it? 

 

Is the killer of Heather Heyes representative of the entire right? 

The killer of Heather Heyes subscribes to an ideology that wants single payer and abortion on demand actually (like actually look up richard spencer's views) he's closer to your side than mine

 

https://twitter.com/richardbspencer/status/836768241007673345?lang=en

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_B._Spencer

 

You guys can have him

 

And yeah, democrat leaders have urged their sheep to be uncivil to republicans recently a ton lol

[Proto]

So what, so you can disavow everyone you want because of slight ideological differences despite being right-wing enough to go to a rally called "Unite the Right" who killed a democrat protestor.

 

Yet you're saying that Democrats endorse murderers and death threats being done in their name because of murder attempts on Republicans, I don't see Democrats talking about "many sides" when it comes to people firing guns at your senators or sending threats of gas homie. You're gonna need to dig a little deeper.

 

Name one Democrat who has said "well look at both sides of the issue" regarding the ricin threats and shooting. One.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

So what, so you can disavow everyone you want because of slight ideological differences despite being right-wing enough to go to a rally called "Unite the Right" who killed a democrat protestor.

 

Yet you're saying that Democrats endorse murderers and death threats being done in their name because of murder attempts on Republicans, I don't see Democrats talking about "many sides" when it comes to people firing guns at your senators or sending threats of gas homie. You're gonna need to dig a little deeper.

 

Name one Democrat who has said "well look at both sides of the issue" regarding the ricin threats and shooting. One.

He didn't unite the right, he got 100 people mostly from out of state when >60 M voted for Trump

 

How is that a slight ideological difference? Richard Spencer and his ilk sound more like Margret Sanger than he does any republican. He's already mentioned he won't support Trump in 2020. 

 

Trump was 100% right to mention both sides actually, cuz Antifa is just as bad as the Nazis.

[Proto]

It's unite the right, it's a right wing rally. I have no idea who would actually deny that there's a place there.

 

They seem to agree enough that Richie and David Duke have endorsed him as president.

 

Name one time Antifa has murdered someone. I got a lot of neo-nazi murders in the clip. 

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

It's unite the right, it's a right wing rally. I have no idea who would actually deny that there's a place there.

 

They seem to agree enough that Richie and David Duke have endorsed him as president.

 

Name one time Antifa has murdered someone. I got a lot of neo-nazi murders in the clip. 

So if the Neo Nazis hold a rally called "progressive initiative" does it become liberal? It wasn't a right wing rally cuz they don't support most of the thing the right does

 

Richie lost his mind over Trump and has said he supported a 2020 challenger mate. Duke got btfo'd out of a GOP primary. Not sure they're the representatives you're looking for

 

https://pjmedia.com/trending/antifa-prof-who-bashed-trump-supporter-in-head-with-bike-lock-at-berkeley-given-slap-on-wrist/

 

Here's one, they've not yet succeeded, but not for a lack of trying

 

Heather's Killer: A neck beard who disagrees with 60-70% of the GOP platform. You're verdict: a right winger

 

Scalise Shooter: Bernie Sanders campaign guy. Your virdict: ???

[Proto]

I mean they already kind of did that with the whole National Socialist thing in general. So, in your eyes, yes. Besides, we don't know what precisely James Fields' ideology is, his own mother said that she thought it was "Trump stuff" that he was going for rather then the white nationalist bit. 

 

I mean, sure? Trump played them for votes, but he still equated a group that supports the literal racial segregation of America that murdered a woman with protestors of that movement. Like...? And why didn't he wait sooner to disown them if he didn't mind support of them, it wasn't until he became president that he began getting rid of Bannon and Duke and such. So, clearly he doesn't mind at the very least empowering white nationalist rhetoric for political gain and clouding the Republican Party with white supremacists even if he doesn't intend to keep them on for long.

 

Well, there are a lot of successes on the Neo-Nazi side of things. You already got Heather so I'll just give you one from just around my area aye?

 

https://www.propublica.org/article/california-murder-suspect-atomwaffen-division-extremist-hate-group

 

So that's two successes to one failure, and if we're going for attempted murders there are FAR more neo-nazis who are locked up for attempted murders.

 

 

Just as bad as some people protesting though right?

[Dad]

Same rally where dude took a pipe to the head right? That unite the right rally?

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Same rally where dude took a pipe to the head right? That unite the right rally?

Pretty sure this one was on the west coast 

[vla1ne]

we do have pretty large leaders in the democratic party encouraging uncivil behavior towards republicans/trump voters. nothing all that new, but it's pretty weird to see, and really doesn't help when these kinds of things happen. like the one sent to (i believe) the pentagon a while back. 

 

as far as political violence, intimidation, and death threats go, while both sides do it, one side does get away with it more than the other by far. counting those in jail might show one side higher on the political violence scale, but counting the ones who are on camera committing acts of flat out violence (arguably attempted murder levels of violent) and defacing/absolutely destroying public property, you'll see a vastly higher number on one side than the other.

 

all that said, it happens both sides, and the blame game isn't helping anybody.

[Proto]

oh pretty large leaders? could you give me an example? because i got the largest leader inciting violence here. i'd ask for hillary clinton, but hey that'd be too hard so i'll go with any democratic candidate saying sheet like this.

 

 

https://www.youtube.com/Ndpe09emTSA?t=31

 

https:/www.youtube.com/SHLoUfdG6bw?t=34

 

 

and he got elected for president eh? unless you count people being mean to him on social media he's "gotten away with it" scot free and got rewarded with the highest office in the land. so counting these minor offenses and videos (which go viral precisely because they're not the norm i might add, 99% of protests by the left are nonviolent). is absolutely wrong when trump's got people charged with assault on people at his rallies and saying "he'll pay their legal fees".

 

like i don't get in what world conservatives have the "high ground" here.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

The one where we don't go shooting up congressmen and mailing other ones ricin

[Phantom Roxas]

So, just want to point out that at no point has the party affiliation of whoever sent this been specified. There is no indication that this came from "the left" beyond your own personal assumption.

[Proto]

The one where we don't go shooting up congressmen and mailing other ones ricin

nah, but yall are doing actual murders AND catching assault cases at rallies and such which i mentioned in my post. i don't discount a murder when it happens to someone other then a politician my dude.

 

but you seem to have this ostrich theory where if you just shove your head into the ground for long enough you don't actually need to respond to facts that i present.

 

so go ahead keep ignoring my post and go back to regurgitating the same statements you opened the thread with.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Your whole argument hinges on some guy who openly disagree with more than half the rights views ramming a car into an Antifa lady. I'm sorry, again there is a difference between him and a Bernie staffer attempting to massacre congressmen

So, just want to point out that at no point has the party affiliation of whoever sent this been specified. There is no indication that this came from "the left" beyond your own personal assumption.

He cited her Kavanaugh vote. Do you really think it was a right winger?

[Dad]

Your whole argument hinges on some guy who openly disagree with more than half the rights views ramming a car into an Antifa lady. I'm sorry, again there is a difference between him and a Bernie staffer attempting to massacre congressmen

 

He cited her Kavanaugh vote. Do you really think it was a right winger?

 

If I chanted "lock her up", would you think I was a rightie?

[Proto]

Your whole argument hinges on some guy who openly disagree with more than half the rights views ramming a car into an Antifa lady. I'm sorry, again there is a difference between him and a Bernie staffer attempting to massacre congressmen

 

He cited her Kavanaugh vote. Do you really think it was a right winger?

I love how you make the leap that you understand James Field's views somehow and know that he was only there under Spencer when the only real statements we know are from the shield that he bore and the fact that his mother said that he was at the rally for "Trump stuff".

 

The rally was called "Unite the Right" as in, its point was to validate white supremacy by mixing them with neo-conservatives. Now how do we know that Mr. Fields doesn't click both of their boxes? There's no evidence that he had any love for Spencer besides a hunch you have.

 

I'd like you to cite the information that confirms his views since you seem so, so secure in the fact that he is not conservative whatsoever. Since just because you're at the rally doesn't mean you're a Richard Spencer supporter.

 

From Trump's mouth himself. "Not all of them were white supremacists, not all of them were neo-nazis."

[Phantom Roxas]

He cited her Kavanaugh vote. Do you really think it was a right winger?

 

Citing her Kavanaugh vote does not automatically prove that they were left wing, nor does it rule out that they were right wing. You're going to need more actual evidence instead of guesswork.

[Proto]

Melkor's assertions rely quite heavily on him being able to read minds here. He knows that James Fields wasn't a conservative, he knows the Ricin papers were mailed by a left-winger, he knows that the "berniebro" shooter was entirely representative of the democratic party even when the person he advocated was wasn't a straight democrat and was even ostracized for it, he knows that none of these neo-nazis are true conservatives!

 

He just KNOWS. He has a FEELING. 

 

Also, I love how you completely dropped the "Nazis are equivalent to Antifa" thing as well after I well, proved you wrong via murders. Without a word but can't admit defeat in a debate can you buddy?

 

EDIT: Additionally, because of your track record of saying factually wrong things when you don't have an article behind you (see: the black voters being low-propensity and thinking that congressional seats you can vote for are determined by what party you're signed up as in California) I'm just gonna ignore everything you say without a citation now. Because hey, you assume the worst from the Dems because of a handful of incidents showing their character as being liars, I'd like to apply that same moral system that you propositioned to you. So, don't make a post without proof.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Melkor's assertions rely quite heavily on him being able to read minds here. He knows that James Fields wasn't a conservative, he knows the Ricin papers were mailed by a left-winger, he knows that the "berniebro" shooter was entirely representative of the democratic party even when the person he advocated was wasn't a straight democrat and was even ostracized for it, he knows that none of these neo-nazis are true conservatives!

 

He just KNOWS. He has a FEELING. 

 

Also, I love how you completely dropped the "Nazis are equivalent to Antifa" thing as well after I well, proved you wrong via murders. Without a word but can't admit defeat in a debate can you buddy?

 

EDIT: Additionally, because of your track record of saying factually wrong things when you don't have an article behind you (see: the black voters being low-propensity and thinking that congressional seats you can vote for are determined by what party you're signed up as in California) I'm just gonna ignore everything you say without a citation now. Because hey, you assume the worst from the Dems because of a handful of incidents showing their character as being liars, I'd like to apply that same moral system that you propositioned to you. So, don't make a post without proof.

No?

 

I do know that Kessler the guy who organized the Virginia march voted for Obama twice, and that the alt right platform has a number. James fields did vote in the GOP primary, I'm just noting the alt-right shares more in common with the left than the right

 

I know it's somewhat unlikely that the person who mailed ricin to Trump, Collins, and Mattis in the span of a week and blamed collins for Kavanaugh is unlikely to be a conservative given Trump's 90ish percent approval rating among conservatives. 

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/03/us/pentagon-ricin-utah.html

 

They did catch one guy however. He is a sample of his FB page:

 

 

A true republican that one.

 

Bernie's shooter shot the republicans yelling "this is for healthcare" after your side went around saying the Republicans were going to kill people with healthcare. Even if we ignore the fact that he worked for Bernie, your hands aren't clean.

 

Congrats, you have a sample size of two, with Antifa being arrested by mass for attempts at violence. If you know the first thing about stats you would'd wave your dick around based on a sample size that small. Your null hypothesis would not be rejected. 

 

Black voters tend to be lower propensity for a number of reason, they are not this year.

 

I funking never said that, but it'll take a few more posts for that to diffuse into your brain

Citing her Kavanaugh vote does not automatically prove that they were left wing, nor does it rule out that they were right wing. You're going to need more actual evidence instead of guesswork.

Sure roxas, the it must have been that one conservative who was ranting about the 1% on his FB page who was also upset about kavanaugh. You got me

[Phantom Roxas]

Sure roxas, the it must have been that one conservative who was ranting about the 1% on his FB page who was also upset about kavanaugh. You got me

I know you're being sarcastic, but that is still just as likely to be the case as someone on the left. This thread is based entirely around speculation, when you don't even know who actually sent the letter.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

I know you're being sarcastic, but that is still just as likely to be the case as someone on the left. This thread is based entirely around speculation, when you don't even know who actually sent the letter.

This I actually agree with, the FBI picked the chap up, but innocent until proven guilty stands. I guess there's a chance they got the wrong guy (being 100% serious here)

GOP finally grew a pair and is willing to fight back 

[Proto]

What did I say Melky? Sources! I require the proofs that Antifa are being arrested for mass assaults because I cant believe your information due to your perceived incompetence!

 

How does Kesslers alignment immediately determine James Fields stance on abortion? The only surefire thing we know is that he was at a rally explicitly targeted for right wingers and that he was a trump fan for sure. Pretty bold assertion to say his stance on policy besides a hatred of the left eh?

 

You're talking stats baby, cite 'em proper instead of giving me the standard right wing talking points. Once you give me the numbers for antifas violent arrests I can succinctly debunk it.

[Proto]

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/22/nyregion/george-soros-explosive-device.html

 

Nope. No violence. Nothing violent about mailing bombs to significant democratic party contributers that has been attacked by Republicans for funding everything from migrants to terrorist organizations by republicans.

 

Sounds like violence is equal opportunity. Now using @ 's logic whoever delivered this is an engineered puppet of the Republicans.