California DMV has discovered it sent the Secretary of State’s Office 23,000 erroneous voter registrations

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

https://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/capitol-alert/article217891745.html

 

 

This is honestly outrageous. There are congressional seats that will decide the house race that would be swung by this bullshit

[vla1ne]

...Such an unfortunate accident. Seriously though, California's been on a pretty steady stream of screw ups as of late. The elected officials and state workers really ought to work on that soon, because it's not good for them, it's not good for the illegal (or legal) immigrants, and if left unchecked, will be absolutely terrible for the states as a whole.

[Nathanael D. Striker]

...Such an unfortunate accident. Who could have possibly guessed that the state the gives illegal immigrants everything they need to vote, would accidentally give them the ability to vote./s

 

Seriously though, California's been on a pretty steady stream of screw ups as of late. The elected officials and state workers really ought to work on that soon, because it's not good for them, it's not good for the illegal (or legal) immigrants, and if left unchecked, will be absolutely terrible for the states as a whole.

"The DMV said none of the applicants were undocumented immigrants."

 

Seems like you didn't read carefully enough, so try again before you go on a rant.

 

As for the incident, technology doesn't give people an excuse to be reckless with what they are doing. The California DMV should have been more attentive instead of cutting corners.

[vla1ne]

"The DMV said none of the applicants were undocumented immigrants."

 

Seems like you didn't read carefully enough, so try again before you go on a rant.

 

As for the incident, technology doesn't give people an excuse to be reckless with what they are doing. The California DMV should have been more attentive instead of cutting corners.

i cut that bit out early. even still, the rest of the statement stands. and switching peoples parties is arguably worse than resgistering illegal immigrants to vote, as it can cancel out their ability to support candidates they like in the primaries.

 

That said, for the DMV to claim absolutely nobody of the 23000 people is an illegal, I have to say, while i'll give them benefit of the doubt, registration fraud is nowhere near impossible, and a gaffe this large is likely to have let a couple folks slip through the holes.

Maybe not every single one of them, but i have difficulty believing that california, the state where you can register online, by mail, and many other methods, with as much strain as they're already showing signs of, truly caught every hole in the wall. I'd bet money that it's only a matter of time before a couple folks slip through the cracks.

 

[spoiler=EDIT: also this]

 

At least one mistake was a Canadian, not an immigrant, but is there a reason illegal immigrants can't have slipped past when a Canadian might?

 

 

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

"The DMV said none of the applicants were undocumented immigrants."

 

Seems like you didn't read carefully enough, so try again before you go on a rant.

 

As for the incident, technology doesn't give people an excuse to be reckless with what they are doing. The California DMV should have been more attentive instead of cutting corners.

I hate to break it to you, but undoc aren't the only people who live here and aren't allowed to vote lol

[Nathanael D. Striker]

I hate to break it to you, but undoc aren't the only people who live here and aren't allowed to vote lol

His post specifically mentioned that, hence my reply was tailored to that. Please try again.

[vla1ne]

His post specifically mentioned that, hence my reply was tailored to that. Please try again.

Unfortunately, i posted that as i read, but considering they let a Canadian citizen slip through the cracks, and said Canadian is the only reason the story even came to light, i'm gonna have to say their statement of no illegal immigrants slipping through the cracks does look a bit suspect. What exact guards are in place against  Mexican and south american citizens that would  miss a Canadian citizen? If Canadians can make it past the books at the DMV, what exactly prevented Mexican citizens from doing the same?

[Phantom Roxas]

vla1ne, are you seriously going to turn yet another thread into singling out illegal Mexican immigrants?

[Proto]

love how there wasn't a thread about georgia literally freezing 50k new voters for the midterms, florida's registration site literally going down 2 days before the deadline to register and north dakota preventing native americans from voting via not counting people who live on reservations (hence don't have a street address) the ability to vote.

 

but nah gotta dab on the almost entirely uncontested liberal state for their fuckup right?

 

fascism sympathizers ladies and gentlemen.

[vla1ne]

vla1ne, are you seriously going to turn yet another thread into singling out illegal Mexican immigrants?

So i take it you missed parts where i mentioned canadians and south americans huh? But to be serious, no. 'm not ripping into illegal immigrants here, i'm ripping into California's claim that no illegal immigrants slipped through the cracks. to clarify, i'm asking what makes a mexican citizen so different than a canadian citizen that only a canadian could slip through the cracks? it's not me saying anything negative about illegal immigrants, it's me asking how exactly are they able to say no illegal immigrants were able to slip by, when a canadian citizen, not even registered in america, made it through? the only real difference between that canadian and an illegal immigrant, as far as this issue is concerned, is the place of origin, and whether or not they're trying to stay in america without filing legal paperwork. it's a legitimate question, not an attack.

 

 

 

 

love how there wasn't a thread about georgia literally freezing 50k new voters for the midterms, florida's registration site literally going down 2 days before the deadline to register and north dakota preventing native americans from voting via not counting people who live on reservations (hence don't have a street address) the ability to vote.

and you posted no such thread, knowing full well anybody here can post anything they'd like. if you'd like a discussion on it, i'd be happy to rip into those errors as well. but this isn't the thread, and you don't seem willing to post it so much as you're willing to complain about it. you wanna talk about it, post it, don't complain when you have the ability to change things.

[Dad]

don't complain when you have the ability to change things.

Tell that to the people who can't vote.

[vla1ne]

Tell that to the people who can't vote.

nice burn. point stands though.

[LordCowCowCowCowCowCowCowCow]

love how there wasn't a thread about georgia literally freezing 50k new voters for the midterms, florida's registration site literally going down 2 days before the deadline to register and north dakota preventing native americans from voting via not counting people who live on reservations (hence don't have a street address) the ability to vote.

 

but nah gotta dab on the almost entirely uncontested liberal state for their fuckup right?

 

fascism sympathizers ladies and gentlemen.

This is basically just a mocking post that doesn't contribute to the topic at hand refrain from this in the future please.

vla1ne, are you seriously going to turn yet another thread into singling out illegal Mexican immigrants?

You and I need to have a talk. At work but will PM after.

This is basically spam though

 

Edit: apparently this isn't in Debates and that surprises me

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

77 percent of American Hispanics and Blacks support voter ID laws. The figure is essentially the same among whites; 81 percent back ID laws. All in all, large majorities in both parties support voter ID laws. 95 percent of Republicans support them; 63 percent of Democrats do. (And by the way, given that minorities are overwhelmingly Democratic, doesn't that imply that Democratic white voters are far less supportive of voter ID laws than Democratic minority voters?)

 

https://news.gallup.com/poll/194741/four-five-americans-support-voter-laws-early-voting.aspx

[Proto]

77 percent of American Hispanics and Blacks support voter ID laws. The figure is essentially the same among whites; 81 percent back ID laws. All in all, large majorities in both parties support voter ID laws. 95 percent of Republicans support them; 63 percent of Democrats do. (And by the way, given that minorities are overwhelmingly Democratic, doesn't that imply that Democratic white voters are far less supportive of voter ID laws than Democratic minority voters?)

 

https://news.gallup.com/poll/194741/four-five-americans-support-voter-laws-early-voting.aspx

 

This is far more offtopic in regards to the original post but CowCow will ignore it. I personally don't know enough about Voter ID laws nor care about concerns regarding illegal immigration to care, as the report doesn't involve voter ID at all.

 

 

and you posted no such thread, knowing full well anybody here can post anything they'd like. if you'd like a discussion on it, i'd be happy to rip into those errors as well. but this isn't the thread, and you don't seem willing to post it so much as you're willing to complain about it. you wanna talk about it, post it, don't complain when you have the ability to change things.

my perogative for politics isn't a forum where people make yugioh cards and post them, i do have a problem with people just making obviously politically slanted threads and posting them in general of all places and in statuses. i am changing things via posting the hypocrisy in melkor's reporting in this thread. 

 

i don't post political threads here because my use of this forum isn't to make it a political soapbox but when i see obvious gaslighting like this against my state i obviously should come with a contesting view.

 

 

 

This is basically just a mocking post that doesn't contribute to the topic at hand refrain from this in the future please.

how is pointing out someone's biases in reporting and the fact that these sort of things are absolutely inconsequential/happen all the time not contributing to the topic? is anything that's not getting outraged over california offtopic here?

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

This is far more offtopic in regards to the original post but CowCow will ignore it. I personally don't know enough about Voter ID laws nor care about concerns regarding illegal immigration to care, as the report doesn't involve voter ID at all.

 

my perogative for politics isn't a forum where people make yugioh cards and post them, i do have a problem with people just making obviously politically slanted threads and posting them in general of all places and in statuses. i am changing things via posting the hypocrisy in melkor's reporting in this thread. 

 

i don't post political threads here because my use of this forum isn't to make it a political soapbox but when i see obvious gaslighting like this against my state i obviously should come with a contesting view.

 

 

 

how is pointing out someone's biases in reporting and the fact that these sort of things are absolutely inconsequential/happen all the time not contributing to the topic? is anything that's not getting outraged over california offtopic here?

Oh, my error, I didn't mean to gaslight. Did CA's great voter experiment not toss out 23000 fraud registrations? Cuz all I've seen in this thread was a game of whataboutism to cover for CA's blunder, nothing to really refute that CA dropped the ball on this one. 

It's slanted cuz California was incompetent enough to funk up this badly. Facts, Fascism does not make

[Proto]

Oh, my error, I didn't mean to gaslight. Did CA's great voter experiment not toss out 23000 registrations? Cuz all I've seen in this thread was a game of whataboutism to cover for CA's blunder

It's slanted cuz California was incompetent enough to funk up this badly. Facts, Fascism does not make

They didn't "toss out" these registrations. Registering as a certain party doesn't absolutely prohibit your choices to vote whatsoever, what happened is that people got registered as the wrong party or got other information incorrectly handled. I know for a fact that you can vote for Republicans or Democrats in this election because I, as a registered Democrat was granted the option when I mailed in my voting ballot yesterday.

 

Also, I called you a fascist sympathizer because you literally labelled yourself it in my status the other day, lol.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

They didn't "toss out" these registrations. Registering as a certain party doesn't absolutely prohibit your choices to vote whatsoever, what happened is that people got registered as the wrong party or got other information incorrectly handled. I know for a fact that you can vote for Republicans or Democrats in this election because I, as a registered Democrat was granted the option when I mailed in my voting ballot yesterday.

 

Also, I called you a fascist sympathizer because you literally labelled yourself it in my status the other day, lol.

They said they didn't register any illegals (if you wanna still believe Gov. Brown and the dems in charge of this, after all they assured us that Motor Voter wouldn't create any wrongful registrations). But they said nothing on regular immigrants who are not citizens.

 

I was responding sarcastically, which is Dad also responded there isn't room for 2 fascist on this forum. 

[Proto]

They said they didn't register any illegals (if you wanna still believe Gov. Brown and the dems in charge of this, after all they assured us that Motor Voter wouldn't create any wrongful registrations). But they said nothing on regular immigrants who are not citizens.

 

I was responding sarcastically, which is Dad also responded there isn't room for 2 fascist on this forum. 

Uh, so what proof is there that these are immigrants that aren't granted the ability to vote? Didn't you get mad over the Kavanaugh thing bro? Innocent before proven guilty here, you can't just move goalposts until it fits your narrative.

 

Hard to take it as sarcasm when everytime California does anything hinting at defiance against Trumpo you end up making a thread about how you're just achin' for that crackdown. You said you bought the shoe and it fits your size, how'm I supposed to assume that you're joking?

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Uh, so what proof is there that these are immigrants that aren't granted the ability to vote? Didn't you get mad over the Kavanaugh thing bro? Innocent before proven guilty here, you can't just move goalposts until it fits your narrative.

 

Hard to take it as sarcasm when everytime California does anything hinting at defiance against Trumpo you end up making a thread about how you're just achin' for that crackdown. You said you bought the shoe and it fits your size, how'm I supposed to assume that you're joking?

None so far, but till now we were also assured Motor Voter would be pretty clean. We're not talking about 1 or 2 bullshit registrations, we're talking over 20 thousand lol. You credibility is shot

 

Yeah, now is Kavanaugh had been arrested a couple times for getting handsy with women I wouldn't have given him the benefit of the doubt. But there was nothing out of record that pointed to that except for the wood works stories that came out in the end. Like Trump is obviously lying that he didn't screw stormy. CA blew that luxury by throwing out their credibility. 

 

I do think California is a lawless cesspit that needs to be cracked down for their loose relationship with the law. It would send a good message that there are laws to be followed. Notice how this isn't really a problem with your equally liberal northern brethren? I'm not calling for Connecticut to get a boot 

[vla1ne]

my perogative for politics isn't a forum where people make yugioh cards and post them, i do have a problem with people just making obviously politically slanted threads and posting them in general of all places and in statuses. i am changing things via posting the hypocrisy in melkor's reporting in this thread. 

i don't post political threads here because my use of this forum isn't to make it a political soapbox but when i see obvious gaslighting like this against my state i obviously should come with a contesting view.

You might not post them, but clearly you're capable of both posting and responding to them, so i don't see why you'd consider it a slant, when the discussion is open to any and every member to jump in. You see a slant somewhere? Argue the point you wish to make. That's what the thread is for. you have the freedom to do that.

 

 

Congrats, We do, welcome to the topic.

 

Uh, so what proof is there that these are immigrants that aren't granted the ability to vote? 

Did you watch the video in my spoiler? A literal Canadian citizen was registered into the voting registry. that in and of itself i proof that any foreign citizen may able to get the same treatment, should they fall into that same loophole. I'll grant that no illegal immigrants have yet to be shown in the loophole, only a foreign citizen, but at least one foreign citizen has been, and that's enough evidence that there could be more to the error than they're letting on. A Canadian citizen being registered to vote in an american election is a massive mistake, and it comes along with the context of at least 22,999 other people. so yeah, there's room to make the point that illegals may well have slipped through. 

[Phantom Roxas]

I'll grant that no illegal immigrants have yet to be shown in the loophole, only a foreign citizen, but at least one foreign citizen has been, and that's enough evidence that there could be more to the error than they're letting on.

 

This is textbook confirmation bias. There is no evidence suggesting that any illegal immigrants were included, and in spite of a statement explicitly stating that there were none, you are taking an unrelated event as evidence towards a theory that serves solely to deny the official statement.

[vla1ne]

This is textbook confirmation bias. There is no evidence suggesting that any illegal immigrants were included, and in spite of a statement explicitly stating that there were none, you are taking an unrelated event as evidence towards a theory that serves solely to deny the official statement.

This isn't confirmation bias, this is me pointing out that the mistake in question, does indeed relate to the problem. A foreign citizen gained the right to vote in an american state, and he wasn't even caught, he's the one who pointed it out and got the whole story to be unraveled. How does this have nothing to do with my point when the foreign citizen is the one who helped break the story? By all means; Had the Canadian man chosen to stay silent, and stay in america to vote, he would have filled literally every criteria of an illegal immigrant being able to vote. Please explain to me how my point makes no sense. 

 

Seriously, and i even held back on my point because i'm well aware that pushing the point could lead to confirmation bias. I already said that for now, their statement holds true, but fact is, it only holds true because currently, the only known foreign person who could have made them a liar chose to step forth and fix the problem (though he had no idea how deep the rabbit hole went at the time). I grant them the benefit of the doubt, but my question stands, what exactly prevents other foreign citizens from slipping through? Or more importantly, how did he slip through, and can it be used by other foreign citizens to do so as well?

[Proto]

You might not post them, but clearly you're capable of both posting and responding to them, so i don't see why you'd consider it a slant, when the discussion is open to any and every member to jump in. You see a slant somewhere? Argue the point you wish to make. That's what the thread is for. you have the freedom to do that.

 

I did argue the point I wished to make, which is that, 1. There are far more egregious examples of the republican party doing voter suppression that is literally relevant right now. And 2. This literally does not effect the ballot you are able to fill out (seriously I was able to vote for the Republican House Candidate anyways so the starter for the thread was false to begin with) making the starting post false, it won't effect congressional seats at all.

 

I straight up don't like these threads, the only reason I'm posting in this one is because I don't like people spreading false information and Melkor makes a lot of these threads, which could make someone who you know, is the target demographic age for this site believe he's an actual authority on these issues. Because if you do something for a long enough time, regardless if you're any good at it, people will start thinking that you've got some idea of what you're talking about.

 

[Phantom Roxas]

This isn't confirmation bias, this is me pointing out that the mistake in question, does indeed relate to the problem. A foreign citizen gained the right to vote in an american state, and he wasn't even caught, he's the one who pointed it out and got the whole story to be unraveled. How does this have nothing to do with my point when the foreign citizen is the one who helped break the story? By all means; Had the Canadian man chosen to stay silent, and stay in america to vote, he would have filled literally every criteria of an illegal immigrant being able to vote. Please explain to me how my point makes no sense. 

 

Seriously, and i even held back on my point because i'm well aware that pushing the point could lead to confirmation bias. I already said that for now, their statement holds true, but fact is, it only holds true because currently, the only known foreign person who could have made them a liar chose to step forth and fix the problem (though he had no idea how deep the rabbit hole went at the time). I grant them the benefit of the doubt, but my question stands, what exactly prevents other foreign citizens from slipping through? Or more importantly, how did he slip through, and can it be used by other foreign citizens to do so as well?

 

My concern is that, regardless of the topic, you often focus exclusively on illegal immigrants. Sometimes it is relevant, but here, it just seems excessive. I want to bring up that this is a habit of yours, and I would like to encourage you to perhaps assess that you might concentrate on that particular issue a bit too much.

 

You recognized that no illegal immigrants have yet to be shown, only to immediately follow it up by saying that the Canadian man alone proves that it could have happened. It seems fairly contradictory to me, so I don't see how you're giving them the benefit of the doubt when you're using one man as evidence for the possibility of guilt for an indeterminate number of illegal immigrants.