[V-Jump] Shinobi Necro

[Dokutah]

The effects of the next VJ promo is revealed.

 

 

Shinobi Necro
Dark Zombie / Tuner / Effect
LV2 800/0
You can only use this card name’s (1) and (2) effects once per turn each.
(1) If a Zombie monster other than this card is Special Summoned from your GY while this card is already face-up: You can draw 1 card, then discard 1 card.
(2) If this card is banished from the GY either to activate a card effect, or by a card effect: You can Special Summon this card, but banish it if it leaves the field.

 

Source: https://ygorganization.com/nindrearyinthetcg/ > https://yu-gi-oh.jp/index.php?page=details&&id=357

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Gozuki seems like the best way to use effect 2, maybe Dragon Mirror

[Atypical-Abbie]

Hm interesting, a Zombie Level 2 Tuner that is able to Special Summon if banished. Vendread with Tuners, I wonder if that's something you can do.

[Tinkerer]

That new zombie deck with all the yokai, don't they banish cards from the grave to SS themselves? This card would give them a second means to Synchro ladder easily. There's also Snow for more typical variants.

 

Anyways, in general this is a simple play extender. I'm thinking that in a typical Zombie deck, it'd be a 1-of at best since it is fairly easy to tutor, but doesn't really do anything super groundbreaking.

 

The pic is pretty cool though.

[Blake]

It’s a solid 1-of because it does good things and rewards gozuki.

 

bad in sans undertale.dek tho

[Mr. Best Male 2008]

 

holy GUACamole

[Blake]

Wanted to come back and elaborate a bit, because Gozuki is obvious, but I want to make it a bit more clear.

 

First off, the "traditional" Zombie deck is best played as a Sky Striker variant, because of the synergy that Drones offers to the deck. Of course, this deck only exists in MOONRUNES, because Needlefiber isn't in TCG.

 

What this leads to is the fact that you ideally want a Tuner + Sky Striker card in your opening hand. If you have Solitaire, you're going to get Uni-Zombie in that scenario... and not use its effect.

 

You want the effect to proc later in the turn, so you're just going to burn a copy of Uni-Zombie. Not the worst, but doesn't do anything for you in the process.

 

You're going to ladder into a negated Tuner (probably another uni copy), which will then be targeted by Summon Sorceress to summon Gozuki or Mezuki from deck, depending on your situation.

 

And... that's where this card begins to be relevant again. It gives you the ability to turn Summon Sorceress into a Link 4 while continuing your usual combos, or it might even open up new combos. Chances are, you will be using Gozuki T1, so it's not like it's really dead.

 

It's just the ideal first NS/Solitaire target in a lot of hands, and you can dump it with Gozuki for enabling it, as well.

[Tinkerer]

Wanted to come back and elaborate a bit, because Gozuki is obvious, but I want to make it a bit more clear.

 

First off, the "traditional" Zombie deck is best played as a Sky Striker variant, because of the synergy that Drones offers to the deck. Of course, this deck only exists in MOONRUNES, because Needlefiber isn't in TCG.

 

What this leads to is the fact that you ideally want a Tuner + Sky Striker card in your opening hand. If you have Solitaire, you're going to get Uni-Zombie in that scenario... and not use its effect.

 

You want the effect to proc later in the turn, so you're just going to burn a copy of Uni-Zombie. Not the worst, but doesn't do anything for you in the process.

 

You're going to ladder into a negated Tuner (probably another uni copy), which will then be targeted by Summon Sorceress to summon Gozuki or Mezuki from deck, depending on your situation.

 

And... that's where this card begins to be relevant again. It gives you the ability to turn Summon Sorceress into a Link 4 while continuing your usual combos, or it might even open up new combos. Chances are, you will be using Gozuki T1, so it's not like it's really dead.

 

It's just the ideal first NS/Solitaire target in a lot of hands, and you can dump it with Gozuki for enabling it, as well.

Would this really have a bunch of advantages over, say, Spectralsword in the same scenario?

 

I mean, the advantage of this would be it's immediate ability to get itself back onto the field during the same turn, but is there an active follow-up to that?

 

 

...actually, considering the scenario you laid out, it might actually be feasible to run both this and Spectralsword since said play would end with both tuners in Grave ready to trigger: Shinobi for immediate plays and Spectral for a counter play during the following turn to easily field 2 monsters.

[Blake]

Would this really have a bunch of advantages over, say, Spectralsword in the same scenario?

 

I mean, the advantage of this would be it's immediate ability to get itself back onto the field during the same turn, but is there an active follow-up to that?

 

 

...actually, considering the scenario you laid out, it might actually be feasible to run both this and Spectralsword since said play would end with both tuners in Grave ready to trigger: Shinobi for immediate plays and Spectral for a counter play during the following turn to easily field 2 monsters.

sword is slow and requires too many extra deck slots

[Tinkerer]

sword is slow and requires too many extra deck slots

Yes, and debatable. But the question is Spectral is too slow to do what exactly?

 

I'm just asking for an example of what play/plays Shinobi's immediate resummon would help facilitate. If there aren't any really noteworthy ones, then I think Spectral could still end up being more useful in said slot, despite its slowness.

[Blake]

Spectral requires more input (Solitaire + Sword), has a turn delay, and it’s not debatable that adding 1-2 more ED slots for it is a lot to ask when it’s basically the only card that accessed them, and in a slow fashion.

 

this is a +1 body for simply playing Gozuki, who you will find almost every hand, unlike Solitaire.

 

theyre not comparable

[Black D'Sceptyr]

Gotta point there, Black does-my question would be what this and Sorceress goes into in this stage. Firewall, to help ferry along the Extra Link strategy BUSTEDMCBUSTED showed with Vendreads? Gryphon to lock down stuff and grab the Infinite Impermanence from the GY? I'm not sure what's optimal at this point, and would appreciate some extra inquiry. 

 

Shinonecro. though is as enabling to Gozuki as Uni-Zombie is with Mezuki. Really a nice testament to how great things come in little packages. And yeah, Spectralsword's been fools gold for a while, the only good thing I could think of making with it is Archfiend Zombie-Skull, and Zombies already have a way of handling destruction for a while; its called "use Scargelet/Bram/Sheridan and Vampire Domination already their Xyz lineup's actually worth two sh*** now for enabling that."

 

So a hearty 8.2 to that card, and to all a good night.

[The Highlander]

[...] And yeah, Spectralsword's been fools gold for a while, the only good thing I could think of making with it is Archfiend Zombie-Skull, [...]

The point is (as mentioned above) Solitaire + Sword -> whatever lv 6, get back Sword with Solitaire and get out Crystal Wing.

Though this is indeed slow and I cannot really think of proper ways to get Crystal Wing otherwise, without too much dedication.

[Tinkerer]

Spectral requires more input (Solitaire + Sword), has a turn delay, and it’s not debatable that adding 1-2 more ED slots for it is a lot to ask when it’s basically the only card that accessed them, and in a slow fashion.

 

this is a +1 body for simply playing Gozuki, who you will find almost every hand, unlike Solitaire.

 

theyre not comparable

..Except they are because you brought up a scenario where they have a comparable end result.

 

In any case, ya keep dancing around the question: does having Shinobi put out a significantly better field in said scenario than a card that does a similar job but doesn't SS itself mid-combo?

 

If the resulting answer is that that it does: awesome! Zombies got that much better!

 

If the resulting answer is that it does not: oh well, I suppose Spectralsword can work just as well in the scenario.

 

To clarify: I am NOT talking about card usefulness on a general level. Everyone would agree that Shinobi is better than Spectral because it is faster and doesn't need ED dedication (plus Shinobi has another effect). However, given the optimal scenario you laid out, would Shinobi really be better in that particular case?

[Blake]

I’m not dancing around the question. You’re asking “does a free +1 matter”, and I’ve covered how it matters.

 

Being able to ladder into a Link 4 is the immediate usage for it, but it can also be used to go into (should you really want to) higher level Synchros. It encourages a bit more thought in deckbuilding that wasn’t there, without condemning you to wait for a slow combo to go off.

 

An immediate +1 will always find use. I’m still trying to figure out the best for it, but as with all things of the ilk, it takes testing and practice. No, I can’t tell you an optimal play off the top, but this is a good Solitaire Target tha timmediately sunergizes with your deck and gives you another body to play with.

[Tinkerer]

Ok, cool. Twas all I needed. I didn't need the most optimal play, just an assurance that one wouldn't just find it to be an extra body that one later realizes they don't need.