Do Something With Debates

[Dad]

I did what I could but I was the only one with the balls besides Sakura to even visit the place.  Don't let it go to waste.  Give it life.  Refresh it.

[Flash Flyer - Sakura]

The whole point of restoring Debates in the first place was, in theory, to give people a place to talk about sensitive topics and whatnot without intruding on other members who didn't want it. 

 

Should still do that (as you can write a lot more than you would be able to in status bar), but now that you're retired, gotta think of something. 

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Remove all modding in debates outside of pron

[LordCowCowCowCowCowCowCowCow]

First of all starting it with "only one with the balls to visit" is just silly.

 

But, that being said.

 

What is there TO do? It's similar to any other section. If people don't post there then there's only so far people can go to change that. Anything done previously only helped for brief moments.

 

Take the Graphic section. Nothing was specifically "done" except people began to post more.

 

Unsure why this wasn't in C/S

[Just Crouton]

thread should be in debates yo

[Simping For Hina]

Change the name of "Debates". There are some discussions that aren't debates. Debates come with a notion of argument, even when the purpose of them is to understand the other person. Stop putting people against each other, as if there were sides to choose from. That already helps to break the barrier of debates. In conversations, there is less of a battle because people aren't choosing sides. The association is that the only side that people are on is of their own accord. They side with themselves, and they don't need to defend any predetermined idea that influences the topic.

 

Make the section open for people who want to open it. But don't make it intimidating. Make it more person and open; The conversations will be a lot cleaner and less abrasive. Then they also can be less hands-on regulated. I agree with Winter on how they should be regulated. The dynamic of it needs to change. I also want to personally attack Winter here because he needs to change his attitude in "debates".

Also, so the conversations are less emotional, make a time restraint on when someone can reply. It will slow down the pace of the forum, sure, but that isn't the problem. It is how people conduct themselves in the conversation.

[Flash Flyer - Sakura]

Remove all modding in debates outside of pron

 

The point of any mods in Debates is to make sure all of you can debate an issue properly without devolving into ad hominem or making the discussion unsavory to be in (and yes, handling spam and adult content posts if someone even dares to). Yes, we are aware that you all would like the staff to not intervene in discussions, but it's required so topic doesn't get derailed and people can least state their thoughts without getting personal attacks thrown at their face because of disagreements or so forth.  

 

If you behave yourselves in the section and can have a civil discussion without resorting to personal attacks, then our presence will be minimal and supervisory only (just check everything's going smoothly and move on). 

 

Change the name of "Debates". There are some discussions that aren't debates. Debates come with a notion of argument, even when the purpose of them is to understand the other person. Stop putting people against each other, as if there were sides to choose from. That already helps to break the barrier of debates. In conversations, there is less of a battle because people aren't choosing sides. The association is that the only side that people are on is of their own accord. They side with themselves, and they don't need to defend any predetermined idea that influences the topic.

 

Make the section open for people who want to open it. But don't make it intimidating. Make it more person and open; The conversations will be a lot cleaner and less abrasive. Then they also can be less hands-on regulated. I agree with Winter on how they should be regulated. The dynamic of it needs to change. I also want to personally attack Winter here because he needs to change his attitude in "debates".

 

Also, so the conversations are less emotional, make a time restraint on when someone can reply. It will slow down the pace of the forum, sure, but that isn't the problem. It is how people conduct themselves in the conversation.

 

Name changing the section along with the atmosphere in the area to just be discussion about said topics as a whole can be looked into. 

 

There's a lot of things that people would like to say about certain issues, but the climate and such makes it difficult to really do so without getting their arguments shot down by another member because lack of understanding / objectivity. We all have different levels of opinion about certain topics and not necessarily one side or the other, based on personal experience and morals. In hindsight, Debates is basically General for controversial topics like politics and so forth. (Or this is what you are proposing to an extent with making Debates more accessible to members.)

 

As for the time restraint, we can look into adding one. A benefit to this would be that it also lets other members have their say in the conversation as opposed to 1-2 people monopolizing it and not giving others their chance to speak (which has been an issue in Debates for certain topics which resulted in them being locked or people being unable to say anything).

 

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Like I already noted above, the staff members would like to not have to intervene on a regular basis, but this depends on you, the memberbase, as a whole to be respectful in these discussions. At this time, I'll go bring it up with the other mods to see what can be worked out about renovating "Debates" (or whatever we end up calling the place after this). 

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

There's enough people on both sides of most arguments that we can take care of ourselves without big brother enforcing order

[LordCowCowCowCowCowCowCowCow]

Thought for discussion: General and Debates both have a lack of activity. Debates as a name isn't entirely accurate and often polarizing.

Debates was originally made because of influx of political threads due to election

Potentially time to re-merge the two sections and update the rules to reflect that

Thoughts on this idea would help not only with the idea itself but to come up with ideas branching off from that. This is not necessarily a final goal idea. Wanting to get thoughts from people who use the section.

[Phantom Roxas]

Thought for discussion: General and Debates both have a lack of activity. Debates as a name isn't entirely accurate and often polarizing.

Debates was originally made because of influx of political threads due to election

Potentially time to re-merge the two sections and update the rules to reflect that

Thoughts on this idea would help not only with the idea itself but to come up with ideas branching off from that. This is not necessarily a final goal idea. Wanting to get thoughts from people who use the section.

 

I've been wondering something to this effect, and I would be okay with that. I believe I've stated before that I wanted the mods to distinguish if a thread belongs more in General than Debates, but if the sections were remerged, that wouldn't be necessary... or even possible, but regardless, I don't particularly think there's much that separates General from Debates as it is, so might as well re-merge them.