[SOFU] Eternal Galaxy

[Thomas★Zero]

 

Eternal Galaxy
Normal Trap Card
If you control a “Photon” or “Galaxy” monster: Target 1 Xyz Monster you control; Special Summon from your Extra Deck, 1 “Photon” or “Galaxy” Xyz Monster that is 4 Ranks higher than that monster you control, by using it as the Xyz Material (This Special Summon is treated as an Xyz Summon. Xyz Materials attached to it also become Xyz Materials on the Summoned monster.) You can only activate "Eternal Galaxy" once per turn.

[vla1ne]

So you can turn any level/rank 4 monster into a free titanic galaxy/galaxy eyes dragon? Or turn any level/rank 5 into the upgraded galaxy eyes monsters? This is getting to be ridiculous. If galaxy can't top some tournaments after all this consistency support comes out, then they don't deserve another wave of support. this is the kind of support red eyes (and to an extent, blue eyes and dark magician) have wet dreams about.

[Blake]

This card is terrible.

 

You shouldn’t be making Rank 4s, and it’s an extra expensive Rank 8 that you can make anyway.

 

This is slow, depends on suboptimal plays, and doesn’t even do much because you would rather summon the R8 during your own turn.

[vla1ne]

it's almost as if you forgot you can use starleige photon blast dragon on your opponent's turn (meaning chain it to this and make more advantage). or like you didn't notice that this doesn't need to use your galaxy or photon monsters. the card might need you to have a galaxy/photon monster to use it, but there's no shortage of those in the deck. r4/5 plays aren't even that uncommon in the deck either, not with soldier, thrasher, or vanisher being things. and it's not like photon wizard can't search it. slow it might be, but it is not terrible, not in light of the new support.

[Blake]

it's almost as if you forgot you can use starleige photon blast dragon on your opponent's turn (meaning chain it to this and make more advantage). or like you didn't notice that this doesn't need to use your galaxy or photon monsters. the card might need you to have a galaxy/photon monster to use it, but there's no shortage of those in the deck. r4/5 plays aren't even that uncommon in the deck either, not with soldier, thrasher, or vanisher being things. and it's not like photon wizard can't search it. slow it might be, but it is not terrible, not in light of the new support.

It's almost as if Starliege Photon Blast Dragon is only decent, and devoting level 4s into it over Solflare is generally bad.

 

Nevermind that you have to run bad cards like Thrasher or Advancer to even make a R4 without using up Orbital for it, which is gross.

 

Galaxy Wizard sucks. Being searchable by him means nothing. The only S/T searcher of worth is Galaxy-Eyes Photon Lord.

 

Galaxy Cleric is slow as balls, and is only debatably worth a single copy, if even, because you don't really want to be letting the opponent get to the point where it's relevant.

 

R4 is non-existent. R5 is fairly rare, and has only 2 of note, and neither want to become a Rank 9 (or 10, considering CDI is one of those "rank 5s").

 

It is absolutely terrible. The new support doesn't make it playable, because R4 is bad in the deck, its only good searcher is a Rank 8 that would search it during the opponent's turn, and it requires precisely Rank 4s into 8s, 5s into 9s, or 6 into 10, with 4 into 8 being an infinitely less efficient way of summoning said Rank 8s.

[(GigaDrillBreaker)]

Why are people excited over an extremely limited rum, that uses an awkward to summon monster to summon an easy to summon monster, and makes you wait before doing so?

[vla1ne]

It's almost as if Starliege Photon Blast Dragon is only decent, and devoting level 4s into it over Solflare is generally bad.

 

Nevermind that you have to run bad cards like Thrasher or Advancer to even make a R4 without using up Orbital for it, which is gross.

 

Galaxy Wizard sucks. Being searchable by him means nothing. The only S/T searcher of worth is Galaxy-Eyes Photon Lord.

 

Galaxy Cleric is slow as balls, and is only debatably worth a single copy, if even, because you don't really want to be letting the opponent get to the point where it's relevant.

 

R4 is non-existent. R5 is fairly rare, and has only 2 of note, and neither want to become a Rank 9 (or 10, considering CDI is one of those "rank 5s").

 

It is absolutely terrible. The new support doesn't make it playable, because R4 is bad in the deck, its only good searcher is a Rank 8 that would search it during the opponent's turn, and it requires precisely Rank 4s into 8s, 5s into 9s, or 6 into 10, with 4 into 8 being an infinitely less efficient way of summoning said Rank 8s.

you can drop it and solflare in the same turn, and you can use tokens to make solflare (1 sanctuary = instant solflare).

 

thrasher is a free SS to board, comes with the photon name, and fulfills all conditions needed to summon vanisher, to drop orbital, or to get out galaxy eyes photon dragon. it fits exactly where it needs to. i didn't mention advancer even once, and vanisher is the better option there, as it searches the Galaxy eyes photon dragon, and grants an additional effect to whatever Xyz it summons.

 

galaxy wizard searches the entire archetype, and can be dropped for free off of starleige dragon, assuming you had any 2 L4 monsters on board (which is what leads to the R8 play anyways)

 

never said to run 3, if you thought i did, then you misunderstood me. i fully agree with the "run one copy" mentality when it comes to this card.

 

starleige is all you need to make this thing live. and it's in the ED based anyways. not to mention sol flare can still drop it if you don't actually need it. 

 

it's a cost free rank up with no conditions outside of actually playing the deck. having to set it for a turn may hurt the viability, but it does not make it absolutely terrible. like i said before, blue eyes or red eyes  don't get support that's even this good. and RDA's support is trash comparatively, this card beats out the majority of the support the other rival archetypes have gotten (bar cyber dragons), completely stomping onslaught (blue-eyes) in playability, beating (red-eyes) fusion in lack of restrictions, passing pretty much all RDA support of any kind by leaps and bounds, and  only just losing to born from draconis as far as how useful it is in the deck. the card's not terrible, and resolving it is not a problem for the deck if need be (or discarding it for sol if needs do not be) you are clearly exaggerating your claim. 

[Blake]

Sanctuary is only good when the deck is bad. As the ability to make more diverse plays grows, the worse sanctuary is. Bad argument.

 

Thrasher requires a clear board for a +0 Summon. The name isn’t good enough. I mentioned Advancer as a “viable” level 4, and I never said you mentioned it.

 

Your only good 4s are Orbital and Vanisher, with Cleric being teachable. R4 is not in the least bit consistent.

 

Galaxy Wizard requires a normal summon or a rank 4 you had to run bad cards for. You could also just SS Galaxy Soldier for free in that scenario, which is way better.

 

I never mentioned a number of copies of this card.

 

Starliege isn’t good enough. Your entire argument is based around it, but that card is not high enough impact to run bad cards in order to make it.

 

Discarding cards when they’re unneeded is never a good argument. Solflare shouldn’t be discarding 2 in 90% of scenarios, at that, because ending with GEPD in hand is easy.

 

It does have a cost. Being a situational trap card that requires running bad 4s in order to make a rank 4. It’s terrible because it doesn’t fit into the deck, random decks aren’t going to run it even for the value, and thus it ends up with no home.

 

There’s no reason to bring in other decks, because they have nothing to do with this card. Born from Draconis isn’t played, at that.

 

Your arguments all fall apart easily, because you’re making comparative cases and attempting to say “butbutbut”, ignoring the actual context of the deck it’s associated with and the fact that you can more easily make a rank 8 in this deck without needing to wait a turn and make a rank 4.

[Vegetto ssj]

mhmh :( 

i prefer Photon Change...

[vla1ne]

Sanctuary is only good when the deck is bad. As the ability to make more diverse plays grows, the worse sanctuary is. Bad argument.

 

Thrasher requires a clear board for a +0 Summon. The name isn’t good enough. I mentioned Advancer as a “viable” level 4, and I never said you mentioned it.

 

Your only good 4s are Orbital and Vanisher, with Cleric being teachable. R4 is not in the least bit consistent.

 

Galaxy Wizard requires a normal summon or a rank 4 you had to run bad cards for. You could also just SS Galaxy Soldier for free in that scenario, which is way better.

 

I never mentioned a number of copies of this card.

 

Starliege isn’t good enough. Your entire argument is based around it, but that card is not high enough impact to run bad cards in order to make it.

 

Discarding cards when they’re unneeded is never a good argument. Solflare shouldn’t be discarding 2 in 90% of scenarios, at that, because ending with GEPD in hand is easy.

 

It does have a cost. Being a situational trap card that requires running bad 4s in order to make a rank 4. It’s terrible because it doesn’t fit into the deck, random decks aren’t going to run it even for the value, and thus it ends up with no home.

 

There’s no reason to bring in other decks, because they have nothing to do with this card. Born from Draconis isn’t played, at that.

 

Your arguments all fall apart easily, because you’re making comparative cases and attempting to say “butbutbut”, ignoring the actual context of the deck it’s associated with and the fact that you can more easily make a rank 8 in this deck without needing to wait a turn and make a rank 4.

two free tokens in a deck that also gives them name value is nowhere near bad. the onl restriction is light monsters, but the majority of the ED is light based, and the entirety of the main deck is as well. it doesn't restrict you from doing anything standard, and very few fancy plays require you to step outside of the light type.

 

it remains a free SS though, and practically every card in the deck goes with it, galaxy summons itself with it, vanisher summons itself with it, sanctuary does nothing to hinder it, fact remains that it's a +0 that doesn't eat up your NS. the only way you'd lose out is if you only had him in hand, and no other monsters to summon, at which point you've likely bricked anyways.

 

you completely ignore wizard and thrasher, and attempt to argue that nothing is there to use. You can't even summon vanisher without a 2k monster on board either way, which thrasher fits right into. and neither vanisher, orbital, or thrasher need to eat the NS, so what are you saving it for? a cloudragon? expedition and galaxy knight can both work off of thrasher/vanisher plays, so it's not like there isn't synergy with them.

 

you have not yet explained why a card that does not eat your NS, nor cost you anything to drop, is a bad card. nor have you mantioned even one card that photon sanctuary prevents you from going into with a galaxy deck (unless you mean the dark galaxy eyes, which still has a light counterpart that works just  as well) galaxy soldier is definitely a good card, but nothing about it actually conflicts with running wizard. you can summon soldier over wizard yes, but how does that make wizard bad? because it's a NS? how is that bad? because you have to tribute it to search? i could get the reasoning there, but now does that make it not worth running? you can drop galaxy soldier easily, yes, but the same can be said for just about every other card in the deck. there's only about 3 monsters, if that, that need the NS, and they all can work together. wizard, knight, and orbital can all use the NS, but none of them actually hinder the others from doing their jobs, since orbital can be used in different ways, wizard can search the cards to get knight out, and  knight helps make the R8's. all of which have their uses. 

 

i did, because i thought you believed i was advocating 3 copies of eternal. my mistake.

 

It protects your big monsters, Summons more of your monsters to build your board, sits in the ED so it doesn't clog your hand, and has respectable defenses, it's good enough, it's just not the best card in the deck.

 

true enough, won't argue with that.

 

again, you are calling cards that have more than enough good uses, bad. 

 

it was a comparison i made in my first post, was just following it up.

 

forgive me because i'm not seeing it. you are calling the card absolute garbage, when it has enough potential to be used, and does not damage the deck badly from the way i'm seeing it. it's R4 into R8 focus, because the rR8 engine is not yet the strongest for the deck (the R8's themselves are good, the amount of ways to bring them out is not, from what i see.) so please, explain to me, if you are seeing other R8 things that i'm not.

[Tinkerer]

Getting away from the walls of text a bit, I'm not the most familiar with Galaxy. What are some of their R8s that you'd go into with this?

[The Highlander]

Getting away from the walls of text a bit, I'm not the most familiar with Galaxy. What are some of their R8s that you'd go into with this?

Galaxy-Eyes Photon Lord, a monster effect negator that generates a search during each opponent's turn and ladders into cipher blade, full armor and dark matter.

Apart from that Titanic Galaxy (the spell negator).

[(GigaDrillBreaker)]

The point being, even if photon blast dragon and thrasher are to be used, they are independently weaker as well as more difficult to summon than the deck's rank 8 avenue. This card turns a card you are less interested in using into one more alluring, which of course would typically be a good argument, except that working to make it live directly pulls away from the ability to just summon the monster you wanted in the first place.

 

You speak of how this card has no cost, while ignoring a very important one, one that is often overlooked when evaluating poor cards such as this: the opportunity cost. Every time you draw into this, you are not drawing into a more powerful card. You speak of the idea of it being a one-of, lending toward its searchability, but then you deal with the opportunity cost of choosing to search this. When you can choose what card to get with Galaxy soldier, how often do you really think this is the pick?

 

It requires you to run cards that are suboptimal (I know you're in love with these cards, but I'm pretty sure black has more experience with the deck post-solflare than you do) it doesn't provide a huge impact to the board or card advantage, and it takes a turn to do anything. If the rank 8 monsters we're difficult to summon, and this expedited it, things would be different, but neither of those are the case.

 

That'll be about enough of this circular discussion for me.

[vla1ne]

i respectfully disagree with your claims. i believe the deck now has enough materials to support the R4 engine just as well as the R8 engine. this card in particular not actually being an influence in that decision, but becoming more viable as a result. there's finally enough cards in the photon/galaxy deck now to actually make running R4 plays alongside r8 more viable. i understand that r8 is going to be the desired play, what i'm looking towards (was looking towards it before this card, but this card helps the vision), are ways to make the R4 engine stronger in the deck, instead of completely relying on the R8 portion.

 

that said, the best way to get my own point across would be to duel using my idea, not to discuss it, since it's somewhat hard to for me right now to elaborate my idea without putting it into practice. so outside of actually dueling things out like real men, I'll have to take a raincheck on this discussion.

[Black D'Sceptyr]

If I may make a quaint suggestion?

 

This isn't for Photon Galaxy-that Deck needs to win too fast for Traps to ever benefit it. (most handtraps that aren't Effect Veiler too, you want to STOP handtraps more than you want to have them, especially since they get in the way of the frantic deck-clearing you'll need to do to make this card's desired board and live to see turn 2.)

 

This is for the Collapsarpent/Wyverburstar end of the Chaos Dragon Deck, so they can run headlong into Galaxy Strike, set this, and wait for the opponent to try hitting the back-row before they go into Titanic Galaxy and make half their plays run into brick walls. 

 

Well, unless its Sky Strikers they go through Spells like w-wait I'm getting something on the horn. Titanic Galaxy eats the Spell it negates too? So Kagari can't get it back? Well now.

 

So yeah, nice new stuff you're getting Chaos Decks. Everything else....I apologize.