Asking if this card does and prevent what i think it does

[jotaxper3]

Before all i don't know if i'm asking this in the correct section, if not, sorry and please tell me:

 

 

If i make a card with an effect like this:

 

Pepper Knight

 

Level 3 

 

Plant/Effect

 

If this card battles; your opponent discards 1 card from their hand and if that card is a monster this card gains 100 ATK x the level of the discarded card.

 

ATK: 1500    DEF:  300

 

 

 

Question: If the discarded card has an effect that activates when it is sent to the GY or is discarded, it miss its timing and cannnot apply because what happens immediately after is the ATK gain or depends if its a monster or i completely failed in the grammar department.

[Horu]

So let's assume that the monster card that you're up against a Red-Eyes or Blue-Eyes deck.

 

Your question is if a card like White Stone of Legend could miss timing.

 

Since your card technically doesn't use timing as a factor, White Stone would activate and your card would gain ATK immediately after Stone's effect resolves.

 

The downside to this is the potential of staring down a Blue-Eyes with no field on your next turn.

[jotaxper3]

Thanks for the reply. Then how I could word the card effect, to make those cards miss their timing if possible? Obvious if the card make that, it would require a cost.

[Horu]

You could use "when" instead of "if". If I'm not mistaken, that would cause a card like White Stone to miss timing because this effect hasn't resolved yet.

[jotaxper3]

Thanks, i'll remake the card and post it and maybe make an archetype more related to the card in cuestion.

[Flash Flyer - Sakura]

You could use "when" instead of "if". If I'm not mistaken, that would cause a card like White Stone to miss timing because this effect hasn't resolved yet.

 

As far as Konami grammar is concerned right now, they changed a lot of the mandatory "When" stuff to "if"; you would have to leave off the "you can" part that would normally go into optional effects. They still use "When" for on-summon stuff, but this is going into technical things that are only marginally relevant to this discussion.

 

"If this card battles: Your opponent discards 1 card from their hand, then if that card was a monster, this card gains 100 ATK x the discarded monster's Level."

 

tl;dr, if card doesn't have the "you can" thing or has a "when" thing on-summon if stuff happens, then the card will miss timing. With White Stone, yes, it'll miss because you HAVE to do it.

 

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For TC, you can still use "when" if it works, but from current stuff, yeah, they switched over. 

 

(Also was writing this before you ninja'd)

[Horu]

Also, the other issue is that White Stone technically has an auto effect of adding BEWD to your hand when it hits the GY. A good way to keep those effects from activating and likely the best way would be to force them back into the deck or banish them.

[jotaxper3]

Mmm tricky stuff then, well in that case i'll make it simple with a clause at the end "the effect of cards sent to the GY by this effect are negated".