Super YCM Discord 2

[Tormented]

Hi All,

 

I personally really liked the old discord and it felt like a decent place where the community could together and have some amusing discussions however the old discord is filled with members that are no longer active, a mess of channels and is kinda non-existent at this point.

 

I'd like to announce a new (and improved) discord for the user base to use, please note this discord has all rules applying from YCM and punishments will be retroactively put in place on both the discord AND YCM.

 

We do have a music bot (all commands can be found in the #start-here channel) as well as MEE6 which will handle most of the punishments.

 

If you would like a role you own on YCM on discord, then contact any member of staff that is connected to the discord and they will set you up.

 

https://discord.gg/e2YwHv4

 

Have fun.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Gfdi black

[Blake]

I’ve been out of commission for a month due to assorted causes, not sure what this has to do with me

 

I would support it in a heartbeat, but I’m not going to take credit.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

You guys are doing to YCM what China did to America

 

Destruction through outsourcing

 

Can't stop people who are desperate to dig their own grave

[Hallohallo]

I just hope this doesn't die in a few weeks.

[AGATHODAIMON BANGTAIL COW]

You guys are doing to YCM what China did to America

 

Destruction through outsourcing

 

Can't stop people who are desperate to dig their own grave

 

The YCM community isn't just the forum.

 

It's mostly because of the new car smell but the Discord's been a lot more active in the past ~2 hours than YCM has been in the past day. Will this hurt the forum's activity? Maybe by a slight amount. Did this hurt YCM's activity? No. It went up.

[Phantom Roxas]

You guys are doing to YCM what China did to America

 

Destruction through outsourcing

 

Can't stop people who are desperate to dig their own grave

I talk with plenty of people here on Skype and Discord. At most, I think Skype directs activity away from a single thread, but it still hasn't "killed" that thread.

 

There is a dedicated Discord server for this site's Roleplayers, and I don't see that harming the Roleplay section, and certainly not the OOC sub-forum.

 

I have several friends I talk to on Twitter, Discord, and Tumblr. And this isn't "friends on Twitter", "friends on Discord", and "friends on Tumblr". I mean that the same group of friends are present across all three platforms.

 

This isn't about outsourcing. Discord is not stealing YCM's "resources", if that's what you're thinking. It is giving the community different places to communicate, and Discord is a much different format compared to YCM. Discord is typically very stream of consciousness, where the kind of things we'd talk about through both status updates and dedicated threads blur together, distinguished maybe only by the individual channels on the servers.

 

Twitter, Tumblr, Discord, and YCM are all vastly different platforms that serve their own distinct purposes for the people who use them. People choosing to be active on both YCM and Discord does not mean that people will abandon YCM in favor of Discord. It merely means that people are active on both YCM and Discord. There is no deeper meaning than that, and no pillaging of resources.

 

YCM and Discord are not in competition with one another.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

You saw TCG's activity plummet after the first discord, and it's never been back to 2015 levels since

[(GigaDrillBreaker)]

You saw TCG's activity plummet after the first discord, and it's never been back to 2015 levels since

You're right. It hasn't gone back up, despite the discord now being dead. This would indicate that the loss of activity was solely due to the discord. It's 2 separate things that happened at the same time. Even if there is correlation, your claims of causation are unsubstantiated, and ultimately immaterial, because posts on the forum that are simple enough that they could just as easily be done on discord are not something that we desperately need.

[Tormented]

I've explicitly designed the discord this time around to be relatively unrelated to YCM sections.

 

Games and Showcase have their own sections on the discord as sometimes some more casual discussion about gaming might be appropriate, and showcase has it's own section because... well, it's not like you can make that section suffer any further lack of post.

[Phantom Roxas]

You saw TCG's activity plummet after the first discord, and it's never been back to 2015 levels since

 

What specifically did the Discord do to hurt TCG's activity? This is stating a correlation, but offering no evidence of causation. Make a clear case for why Discord is to blame, otherwise hyperbole about how this is somehow like China's influence on America will help no one. It's an irrational argument.

[mido9]

What specifically did the Discord do to hurt TCG's activity? This is stating a correlation, but offering no evidence of causation. Make a clear case for why Discord is to blame, otherwise hyperbole about how this is somehow like China's influence on America will help no one. It's an irrational argument.

You can just talk about a new card or whatever on discord instead of posting your thoughts and etc on its YCM thread, obviously, unless it's something really important/big.

 

It's not a bad thing or etc, but still.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Lotta people here don't know what they're talking about statistics related. You can use something called a diff/diff model to prove causation. For that you need a treatment group and a control group as well as a treatment period

 

Treatment Group = TCG

Control Group = Debates

 

Period = Creation of YCM Discord

 

They had similar rates of posting before so the common trends pre-requisite is met.

 

Debates didn't have it's channel on Discord pick up, thus unaffected by the treatment, ie a control

 

TCG wasn't as lucky. The vast divergence in activity in those two sections post treatment groups can be used to show causation

 

But then again, none of you were genuinely parroting the causation =/= correlation line, it was just the first cheap gotcha line y'all could think of

 

Black and others are determined to hollow out the place, and that's just gonna be how it is. 

[Blake]

I already established I have nothing to do with this. I didn’t weigh in, I didn’t test it, I joined today.

 

And again, your points ignore the lack of quality to posts in TCG. Why would you discuss with people with no desire to improve or be good when you can discuss with better people who like learning and growing. Or just people that know how card games work, like Kook.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Might as well just kill the TCG section and create tiers of discord then. If you really want to do that, go ahead. You kinda already are with Kaiji and that ilk. What sucks is that YCMs mods are encouraging and facilitating it now.

 

Not sure why I'm going out my way to get old members like Octosquid and Garland to return if people are just going knife me in the back like this.

"My" analysis is a scientific method that shows Discord robbed YCM of TCG activity. It doesn't profess to explain why. So that a moot point

 

As for your question, because this place is home? Sure not all the discussion is perfect, but most homes aren't. You try to improve it, not burn down the house

[(GigaDrillBreaker)]

Lotta people here don't know what they're talking about statistics related. You can use something called a diff/diff model to prove causation. For that you need a treatment group and a control group as well as a treatment period

 

Treatment Group = TCG

Control Group = Debates

 

Period = Creation of YCM Discord

 

They had similar rates of posting before so the common trends pre-requisite is met.

 

this isn't how this works.

 

TCG and debates aren't the same. Have you considered that people's interest in the game has gone down? That isn't discord's fault, and your sensationalism is nothing but.

 

People didn't stop posting on YCM because discord existed. They stopped because they didn't want to anymore. And even if they leave in favor of discord, that's their own god dn prerogative. Your analogy with the home is just trying to attach emotion significance where it isn't needed. If I had a shitty house where everyone constantly complained about nonsense, I had to go through three sets of doors before I could even hang up my coat, and the only method of communication was over a delay (no matter how small) I would funking move. Don't fault people for choosing convenience.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

They don't have to be the same, they just need to have similar posting rates to make a difference in difference construction.

 

And I did actually, you don't want multiple treatments during the same period. Hoppy, Koko and others who were "drivers" in TCG had already faded by the time the discord split really hurt TCG.

 

I agree. I mean I think Black just talking to his own group of elitist YGO players on discord is kinda shitty, but given how he wants to play the game, I can't blame him. What is annoying here is the people who are supposed to keep YCM alive, the mod team, are doing something that has been means tested to reduce YCM activity. 

 

You guys have doubted me over and over, from elections to demotions on how to improve YCM, and eventually y'all come around. Just hope you will realize that I'm not wrong here before it actually hurts this place beyond repair

[LordCowCowCowCowCowCowCowCow]

Winter you've yet to prove to me that the Discord causes the section to lose activity. Debates is a horrible "control" group because it hasn't really been all too active to begin with, relative to other sections. Beyond a few members....Also that section is kinda dead right now which has nothing to do with the Discord apparently so what that shows me is that activity dropping doesn't have to do with Discord.

 

Also this is a more personal thought but don't bring up Black so much he had nothing to do with this and you're kind of harassing at this point.

 

Having an official YCM Discord won't have an effect on activity simply because....people already talk on Skype and Discord about things. Like...that's an option they have and use. With or without this official Discord.

 

Forums and chat groups have separate purposes. Some overlap. But overall they are their own thing.

 

YCM is slow. It has been that way for a long time. It's a, generally, relaxed medium of social interaction. That's not going to change because of this.

Well. Perhaps the Status Updates will slow a bit more

 

On another note

 

You guys have doubted me over and over, from elections to demotions on how to improve YCM, and eventually y'all come around. Just hope you will realize that I'm not wrong here before it actually hurts this place beyond repair

This comes off as arrogant and ignorant and it's really hard to actually take you seriously when you say stuff like this.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Winter you've yet to prove to me that the Discord causes the section to lose activity. Debates is a horrible "control" group because it hasn't really been all too active to begin with, relative to other sections. Beyond a few members....Also that section is kinda dead right now which has nothing to do with the Discord apparently so what that shows me is that activity dropping doesn't have to do with Discord.

 

Also this is a more personal thought but don't bring up Black so much he had nothing to do with this and you're kind of harassing at this point.

 

Having an official YCM Discord won't have an effect on activity simply because....people already talk on Skype and Discord about things. Like...that's an option they have and use. With or without this official Discord.

 

Forums and chat groups have separate purposes. Some overlap. But overall they are their own thing.

 

YCM is slow. It has been that way for a long time. It's a, generally, relaxed medium of social interaction. That's not going to change because of this.

Well. Perhaps the Status Updates will slow a bit more

 

On another note

 

This comes off as arrogant and ignorant and it's really hard to actually take you seriously when you say stuff like this.

Context Cowcow, I'm talking about early/mid/late 2016 and late 2015

 

Are you seriously telling me debates wasn't active during the election cycle

 

People aren't looking for logic or rational answers (as demonstrated by the rep squad not even allowing me to reply). Or the fact that they all jumped on correlation =/= causation but then shut up when faced with actual statistics instead of memes

 

This is a thing that is going to happen regardless of my views on it, I just want to make clear which side of the line I'm on

 

I'm arrogant because we've played this game before and still not recovered from it. And because I actually care for this place 

[LordCowCowCowCowCowCowCowCow]

Context Cowcow, I'm talking about early/mid/late 2016 and late 2015

 

Are you seriously telling me debates wasn't active during the election cycle

 

People aren't looking for logic or rational answers (as demonstrated by the rep squad not even allowing me to reply). Or the fact that they all jumped on correlation =/= causation but then shut up when faced with actual statistics instead of memes

 

This is a thing that is going to happen regardless of my views on it, I just want to make clear which side of the line I'm on

 

I'm arrogant because we've played this game before and still not recovered from it. And because I actually care for this place 

It honestly wasn't all that relatively active. There were a few people posting a lot but beyond that not so much.

 

Maybe it'd help your argument if you don't jump to assume there's some conspiracy against you and stop telling people they're wrong for agreeing. Perhaps they "shut up" because it was clear you weren't actually giving a good response to what was being said before.

You have a terrible habit of assuming you're correct and assuming you know what people are thinking. You get stuck on ideas such as this "rep squad" thing and refuse to let go.

 

I for one am not going to try and discuss things with you if you continuously put yourself on a pedestal and spit on others for what you think they're thinking.

 

Now, if you have any more actual points to make on the topic go ahead but otherwise there's nothing to discuss.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

I mean I brought up an actual statistical test to prove causation. The metric we were using to measure activity was posts, which were roughly similar between Debates and TCG. Whether one person was the only poster or not isn't really the debate here. 

 

Based on that, a diff and diff operator shows that discord had a casual effect in removing TCG's activity. I'm actually objectively right here. Now it's not the full picture. Your question about #posters matters. In debates case, it was a hostile place and only the vets posted regularly. Giga's pt about WHY discord killed TCG is also important to assess. But it's undeniable that Discord had a negative impact on TCG

 

There's no conspiracy, I'm just noting that certain people are so set on their views that they're too impatient to wait for a rebuttal. It's poor argument spectating procedure 

[LordCowCowCowCowCowCowCowCow]

I mean I brought up an actual statistical test to prove causation. The metric we were using to measure activity was posts, which were roughly similar between Debates and TCG. Whether one person was the only poster or not isn't really the debate here. 

 

Based on that, a diff and diff operator shows that discord had a casual effect in removing TCG's activity. I'm actually objectively right here. Now it's not the full picture. Your question about #posters matters. In debates case, it was a hostile place and only the vets posted regularly. Giga's pt about WHY discord killed TCG is also important to assess. But it's undeniable that Discord had a negative impact on TCG

 

There's no conspiracy, I'm just noting that certain people are so set on their views that they're too impatient to wait for a rebuttal. It's poor argument spectating procedure 

The amount of posters is very important when the matter at hand is activity though.

And idk, my question is why would an official YCM discord change anything when the people who would post on discord instead of YCM could already post on discord without the official one.

[Nathanael D. Striker]

If we are going talking about Statistics here, where those posts come from does matter as it could be a necessary control factor that needs to be considered. From what you described, you didn't care whether one person made those posts or a group, and that would be something I'd care about when conducting my analysis as it is a key difference between the two groups that I'd want to control for.

 

Sorry for the rushed explanation, but this damn heat has been getting to me today, and I'm not too happy about it.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

If one person makes 100 valid posts in a section. Is it not active Striker/cow?

Going for the extreme example

[Flash Flyer - Sakura]

If one person makes 100 valid posts in a section. Is it not active Striker/cow?

Going for the extreme example

 

It depends on how short/long of a time span they make those posts, and however many people replicate it. If done within a moderate timeframe within section guidelines and whatnot, then sure, you may consider it active. If done over a very long period of time where there is no activity for a great number of days (see Showcase for example), then not really. 

 

Building on Cow's point about members already use Discord for talking with a select group elsewhere even without the official Discord existing. I have contact with a small handful on a private server where we talk about a variety of things (including advising with any contests/stuff they want to run). However, my doing so isn't killing YCM's activity for I do talk to some of them on-site as well. It's not much different than what you would do on Skype/Facebook/whatever (and it's about as active as the mod forum in terms of activity, which isn't high). 

 

Also referencing the reason for why DP users stay on their own server and not use CC, it boils down to their preference in posting messages and getting feedback as compared to forums in general; not just YCM specifically.

 

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We all know that you dislike the Discord and its drops on activity, but yeah, cool it already and stop attacking other users who disagree with your stance.

 

Again, Tormey explicitly said there are no channels pertaining to the major areas like TCG, Custom Cards, etc. Debates isn't even on there; for the most part, it's just random discussions with a Showcase / Music channel because those areas are already inactive, even without Discord existing.