Tormented Posted March 20, 2018 Report Share Posted March 20, 2018 Hi All, The staff team have agreed upon the potential for @@Kazooie to once again take up the reigns as a member of the staff team and continue to strive for that excellence that she so keenly fought for, Kazooie has been spoken to and she is comfortable taking up the mantle once more provided that the member base would want her in the position. As such we will push this thread as a way to discuss the situation, I've decided to place a poll on this topic, a simple yes/no response is requested of all members, however, it would be appreciated if you voiced your opinion either for or against (as you may have information that other members might not otherwise have) The vote on this election will end on the 30th Of March. We look forward to your feedback, The Staff Team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(GigaDrillBreaker) Posted March 20, 2018 Report Share Posted March 20, 2018 Yes. Bring her on. What the tem needs is people open to communication. Birdie fits that to a T. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mido9 Posted March 20, 2018 Report Share Posted March 20, 2018 I have honestly probably seen her post maybe 10 times total over my entire history on YCM ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snatch Steal Posted March 20, 2018 Report Share Posted March 20, 2018 If she is active on the team, she will improve it. If she is inactive, she will not hinder it. It seems as simple as that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathanael D. Striker Posted March 20, 2018 Report Share Posted March 20, 2018 Honestly, it's about funking time she got her job back. Her previous resignation derailed a good change for YCM, and I'd like to see that continue with her back at the helm. #PowertoBirdie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom Roxas Posted March 20, 2018 Report Share Posted March 20, 2018 Yes. Bring her on. What the tem needs is people open to communication. Birdie fits that to a T.I have honestly probably seen her post maybe 10 times total over my entire history on YCM ever. Juxtaposing these two posts to highlight my main concern. I've really not seen her active enough to justify the seemingly high desire to welcome her back to the team. That or the people who want her back are extremely passionate about wanting her back, and I don't quite understand it. I want to know what she brings to the team. Giga says that she's open to communication, but mido's comment kind of flies in the face of what Giga says she can do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodrigo Posted March 20, 2018 Report Share Posted March 20, 2018 I'm with Roxas on this one. She has not been active in a long time to deserve a moderator position just because she was once a mod IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazooie Posted March 20, 2018 Report Share Posted March 20, 2018 Heeey just woke up, so this is gonna be a fairly short post cause my brain isn't entirely functional just yet. It just didn't seem right to not actually say anything here. Yes. Bring her on.What the tem needs is people open to communication. Birdie fits that to a T.If she is active on the team, she will improve it. If she is inactive, she will not hinder it. It seems as simple as thatHonestly, it's about funking time she got her job back. Her previous resignation derailed a good change for YCM, and I'd like to see that continue with her back at the helm. #PowertoBirdie I appreciate the support, and the sorta support from Isaac, but I just wanna take the time to say that their opinions are definitely not the only ones that matter, if you have concerns, it's just as important that those get out there. I have honestly probably seen her post maybe 10 times total over my entire history on YCM ever. Juxtaposing these two posts to highlight my main concern. I've really not seen her active enough to justify the seemingly high desire to welcome her back to the team. That or the people who want her back and extremely passionate about wanting her back, and I don't quite understand it. I want to know what she brings to the team. Giga says that she's open to communication, but mido's comment kind of flies in the face of what Giga says she can do. Totally fair concerns, and honestly, I can't say anything about it. I could say that I'll be more active in posting, but really... I already lurk around the site most of the time. I've always got the tab open, it's just a matter of actually making posts, and I don't really believe in making posts just to make them. Even when I'm posting in Misc, I at least try to have a joke or a reason for posting what I'm posting, I'm not so much about the lolrandom humor. So it's totally understandable to be concerned about my activity, that's what I was getting at. The only thing I can really say about it is that I wasn't able to be active last time, and that's why I stepped down from the position. I don't want to wind up being a moderator who's never around, I know how frustrating that is to us, I really do. But... I will say that not posting is definitely not the same thing as being unopen to communication. I definitely don't mind listening to people's concerns, and it's mostly a matter of just being kind of quiet. If there's a significant amount of ya'll who don't think I should be in the position cause of that, I totally get it and I'll refrain from taking it. This position is about the members in my eyes, not some personal agenda. Rodrigo posted while I was writing this and I just want him to know I didn't ignore his post, it would be quoted with mido and Roxas's posts but the quote system can be a jerk sometimes. What I said is still the same, if enough of you feel like them, and don't want me in the position, say so. I'm not going to push myself onto the members when they don't want me as a moderator, that's entirely counterproductive to the position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted March 20, 2018 Report Share Posted March 20, 2018 I agree with Roxas and Mido to a degree. Birdie hasn't been as active as I would prefer from a mod (See Black and Cowcow). That being said, her vision for the team is still correct in my opinion. The last time Birdie couldn't fulfill her duties, she promptly stepped down instead of pussy footing around. I don't have any reason to think her view on the matter has changed if circumstances should arise again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunshine Jesse Posted March 20, 2018 Report Share Posted March 20, 2018 I look at this decision with heavy skepticism. I don't know enough about Kazooie to trust her in the position by default and there are a handful of people I do trust that aren't on. But it's not an obviously bad decision, so I feel no need to fight against it. There are much more important things for me to fight over than something that most likely won't go poorly. At the very worst, nothing will happen, and she seems more than capable of carrying herself in a way that makes her presence tolerated if not appreciated. I just want good decisions, really. Not "probably not bad, possibly good" ones. So I'm not voting one way or the other. (But if it does go poorly you're not going to hear the end of it) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom Roxas Posted March 20, 2018 Report Share Posted March 20, 2018 Might post some more extended thoughts, but I want to say that I appreciate that you understand the concern, @@Kazooie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitchermitcher Posted March 20, 2018 Report Share Posted March 20, 2018 I think the place is actually quite good as is, and doesn't really need improvements in the mod team for the time being imo. A yes/no would suffice but I'm really undecided on this one. It's not a no but it doesn't lean towards yes either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simping For Hina Posted March 21, 2018 Report Share Posted March 21, 2018 As much as I love how Bree communicates with the community, I am placed between wanting to put faith behind her but also knowing that this is why Zai and Night are not(or should not be) mods. This is why Smear has been demodded. Bree is already but is not active. To take on the role that she does not fill ahead of time is asking for the same things. I want her to be more active and a participant in the forum before she takes a leadership role of the forum. There is no need for more mods as of right now, we need to break down the mod team before we set up new people who show concrete evidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunshine Jesse Posted March 21, 2018 Report Share Posted March 21, 2018 As much as I love how Bree communicates with the community, I am placed between wanting to put faith behind her but also knowing that this is why Zai and Night are not(or should not be) mods. This is why Smear has been demodded. Bree is already but is not active. To take on the role that she does not fill ahead of time is asking for the same things. I want her to be more active and a participant in the forum before she takes a leadership role of the forum. There is no need for more mods as of right now, we need to break down the mod team before we set up new people who show concrete evidence. Agreed. The way I see it is that we're just trying solutions to problems that are much smaller than ones we have yet to fix. We're fixing something else before we fix the more broken things first. And the fix might just end up creating more problems, or making those core problems harder to solve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazooie Posted March 21, 2018 Report Share Posted March 21, 2018 It's entirely reasonable to have these concerns, so... I'll say there's definitely been more vocalization for the opposition than from those who are actually supportive of it, which is usually a bad sign. I wanted this to be made a public decision before anything happened, because of this kind of thing. If those who support it don't really have a reason to do so, aside from the ones who've already commented, then... Yeah. A non-insignificant amount of people have legitimate concerns, and at the moment, some of those concerns aren't mine to consider. I can't make decisions about the size of the mod team or if adding another person is wrong at the moment, that's up to the actual team to decide and if they think it's a good idea to add another person, they'll add one regardless of if I'm that person, I think. But since you all are concerned over my activity, that's something I can step down from the running over. If there are still more of you who are concerned over it, say something. If there are still more who think YCM doesn't need another moderator right now, that's alright. The reason I had this go public is because I wanted concerns to be heard before things happened, unlike all the other times this stuff happened. I can already tell you if I do get promoted, I would be around a lot. The only reason I don't do things right now is because I can't do anything really, my attempts to join RP's have... Gone poorly lately. My writing projects aren't things fit for posting on YCM. Hearthstone reveal season is just starting to kick up. It's been kinda discouraging for me, cause I do care about this community, it caused me a lot of grief when I was younger, but seeing people come in and join it still makes me happy, because this place means... Something to me. Hell if I could tell you what. I had been feeling disconnected from this place lately, and that kills me, because even when I tried to tell myself I didn't need to be here, this was my first internet forum, and the first place I actually stuck around. So if a significant number of ya'll don't want me in this position, I'm taking that very seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom Roxas Posted March 21, 2018 Report Share Posted March 21, 2018 Okay, I have a question about how this thread is going to work. Are the arguments people present in this thread going to be determine whether or not Bree should be added to the team, or is it just going to come down to the poll having more votes in her favor than against? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazooie Posted March 21, 2018 Report Share Posted March 21, 2018 Okay, I have a question about how this thread is going to work. Are the arguments people present in this thread going to be determine whether or not Bree should be added to the team, or is it just going to come down to the poll having more votes in her favor than against? I would hope the former. It holds more weight than the people who voted yes and then just never look at the topic again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simping For Hina Posted March 21, 2018 Report Share Posted March 21, 2018 Also, what kind of role will she be filling? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dad Posted March 21, 2018 Report Share Posted March 21, 2018 If you'll recall, roles, sections, and titles are, for the most part, being done away with. PR effectively doesn't exist since everyone can fulfill that role. And Birdie wouldn't be given a section assignment. She'll be another moderator. That's it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yui Posted March 21, 2018 Report Share Posted March 21, 2018 In the wake of voices stating why they think Birdie shouldn't be promoted, it only feels fair to add another post on why one thinks she should be promoted. Therefore, I am here to quickly go over why I support Birdie for mod (again). While it's true that her activity hasn't been the best lately, and while the same can absolutely be said for the last three mods that have stepped down, for the brief period of time Birdie was a mod the first time, she was more active by simple virtue of having more to do around here. She also isn't the sort of person to say "I'd be more active if put into power" then not live up to her word. We don't interact as often as we probably should, but it's still enough to know she'd stick to her word as best as she possibly could. Having addressed the elephant in the room regarding her activity, I'd like to move on to the big reason I think a second mod term would be good for Birdie. Birdie's first term as mod was very short. It was only a couple weeks or so before she stepped down, but in those couple weeks, she got more sheet done than possibly the rest of the team combined. These were all related to her role as PR mod, and yes we're doing away with roles now, but the point is she had amazing initiative to make changes for the better in that short timeframe, and will most likely do so again once she has the power to really do stuff. Additionally, with the exception of our new mods Black and CowCow (shut up they're still new, dangnabbid whippersnappers), Bree is a more personable would-be moderator than basically all of the current moderators, and is very on-point about her communications with others. This may not sound like it should matter with the removal of the PR position, but it does; the mod team is no stranger to sudden backlash or mistakes being made because of poor communication (Enguingate, security questions, etc) or even insufficient relationships with and/or knowledge of the memberbase (Dae's profile edits some time ago, Zai being put into power in the first place (I still love you bruh (no homo)), etc). It's nice that Black and Cow have that angle covered as of late, but with Cow returning to work lately, his presence on the site has taken something of a hit. Not crippling by any means, but enough that one more mod with those types of skills might not hurt. All that being said, I only woke up fairly recently, so it's possible I haven't phrased all this the best I could. Bottom-line is, Birdie should be a mod again because it's a good idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted March 21, 2018 Report Share Posted March 21, 2018 It's entirely reasonable to have these concerns, so... I'll say there's definitely been more vocalization for the opposition than from those who are actually supportive of it, which is usually a bad sign. I wanted this to be made a public decision before anything happened, because of this kind of thing. If those who support it don't really have a reason to do so, aside from the ones who've already commented, then... Yeah. A non-insignificant amount of people have legitimate concerns, and at the moment, some of those concerns aren't mine to consider. I can't make decisions about the size of the mod team or if adding another person is wrong at the moment, that's up to the actual team to decide and if they think it's a good idea to add another person, they'll add one regardless of if I'm that person, I think. But since you all are concerned over my activity, that's something I can step down from the running over. If there are still more of you who are concerned over it, say something. If there are still more who think YCM doesn't need another moderator right now, that's alright. The reason I had this go public is because I wanted concerns to be heard before things happened, unlike all the other times this stuff happened. I can already tell you if I do get promoted, I would be around a lot. The only reason I don't do things right now is because I can't do anything really, my attempts to join RP's have... Gone poorly lately. My writing projects aren't things fit for posting on YCM. Hearthstone reveal season is just starting to kick up. It's been kinda discouraging for me, cause I do care about this community, it caused me a lot of grief when I was younger, but seeing people come in and join it still makes me happy, because this place means... Something to me. Hell if I could tell you what. I had been feeling disconnected from this place lately, and that kills me, because even when I tried to tell myself I didn't need to be here, this was my first internet forum, and the first place I actually stuck around. So if a significant number of ya'll don't want me in this position, I'm taking that very seriously.With Zai stepping down, do you think you could do something for RP? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(GigaDrillBreaker) Posted March 21, 2018 Report Share Posted March 21, 2018 With Zai stepping down, do you think you could do something for RP?beyond the matter of section assignments being done away with, RP isn't an area that needs something. The single most qualified leader for the section is already on the tem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted March 21, 2018 Report Share Posted March 21, 2018 beyond the matter of section assignments being done away with, RP isn't an area that needs something. The single most qualified leader for the section is already on the tem.Assuming this person is cow, I'm aware that Cow is likely the best fit, but as noted he's gonna be less active due to his job Sec Ass still exist in principle though. Like Broke IS the TCG mod Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazooie Posted March 21, 2018 Report Share Posted March 21, 2018 RP is a section that the members in it keep afloat almost entirely on their own. That said, if the members there need a mod to help them out, of course I would check out what they were asking for. I don't think the section needs big, sweeping changes, but if there are little things that need to be worked around, or things that should be ironed out, then I would be happy to talk with them and find out what's going on! That said, I think Cow is infinitely more qualified to handle RP things than I am, so anything I do there would almost absolutely be done with him, cause he knows the RP members and what they want with the section better than I do. But if things came up that RP needed help with, I would definitely try to help out there. The section is... It's not exactly a section that needs big changes, it just kinda needs a little push now and again. It seems to be doing alright, but I certainly don't mind helping out there if it's needed. Also, I wanna say thanks to @@Yui real quick. The kind words are definitely appreciated, and he brought up something that I had been meaning to mention, sorta. He brought up my first mod term, and with that, it reminded me about the Staff Transparency Thread. I just want to mention that if I'm brought back onto the team, I plan on taking a look at that thread again in order to try and... Organize it a bit better. It's a little rough around the edges, each post being an individual thing, when my original idea was more like a First Post Table of Contents that would lead to other posts that would have a focus on a particular topic. Like staff removals, or staff members that had to take a break for some reason, or if there was discussion on events potentially. This is definitely something I would want to revisit cause while the current thread works, it could be better I feel. That thread would remain accessible of course, but I would probably want to make a new thread that's more organized to make it easier to find information. If I'm not modded, I may still want to talk to the team about it, cause I feel like it's something that could make things easier in the long term, even if slightly complicated in the short term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted March 26, 2018 Report Share Posted March 26, 2018 Why are people letting this stagnate? Isn’t that something that was universally seen as a problem? I didn’t want to get involved here, given the potential nepotism points (though I doubt anyone would), but it’s been 5 days. This is dying like everything else. I’ll admit the mods haven’t discussed anything in regards to this yet, either, but that just means we’re all stagnating. If you like her, support her! If you dislike her, oppose her! Don’t throw a vote and leave it. That doesn’t help a conversation that’s about being open and considering options and community feedback. There are 22 yes and 6 no. Of those, the no have at least a few speaking up, and it seems like some non-voters also voiced an opinion. If you’re invested in the site, then speak up, have a voice! Sitting back and letting it happen helps no one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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