Ryusei the Morning Star Posted August 8, 2018 Report Share Posted August 8, 2018 So was pizzagate. But one of these is more plausible than the other.Meanwhile we found out today Mr. Ohr, a high ranking Obama DoJ official worked with his wife (who worked for Hillary's) to facilitate a spy buying Kremlin dirt on Trump. There was Russian collusion, just not by Trump. I don't fault them though. In my eyes the democrats are the death of America, to some liberals the GOP rings the same. It really is a war for America's soul and anything should be fair game. I'd do the same in their position There's a big pedophilia problem in Hollywood as we've found out recently. And human trafficking is a silent but present plague in America. Pizzagate was silly, but some of the things it suggested ended up true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom Roxas Posted August 8, 2018 Report Share Posted August 8, 2018 well that proves he asked for it, but in such a manner, it does not hold enough weight to actually be useful in the current case. it does satisfy the condition, but It's about on the level of making an offhand statement, and finding out somebody actually acted on it. it's about on the level of hillary and obama claiming that our allies would never support trump, and then hearing a statement from our allies soon after, containing veiled threats of abandoning USA if trump wins the election. IMO, the collusion accusations are an even weaker argument for corruption in comparison to to what it actually revealed. Russia did a number on the Clinton campaign, but it was nothing more than pinpointed intelligence attacks, which were arguably coming regardless of trumps statement, though likely sped up because of them, simply out of hatred of the opposing candidate in question. that is literal conspiracy building. You just said that it proves he asked for it. While it may not be useful in the current case by itself, it establishes a foundation for the case to investigate, and contributes to a much larger pattern. You said it would mean nothing unless there was proof that he had asked for it, and the burden of proof has been met. It is disingenuous to move the goalposts once the proof that you explicitly requested is provided. I'm hardly conspiracy building when this investigation is consistently finding evidence suggesting that there was in fact collusion. When the case is leading to indictment after indictment, with Rick Gates testifying against Paul Manafort, and both of them have ties to Trump, who is consistently attacking Mueller, with the GOP failing to impeach Rod Rosenstein, to the point where there are legitimate concerns for obstruction of justice, especially with Devin Nunes making a complete idiot of himself with his poor attempts to rush the investigation to a close or discredit sources - especially because he does not actually read any of the documents he tries to retaliate against - I would think that there's a sufficient case here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vla1ne Posted August 8, 2018 Report Share Posted August 8, 2018 it's not moving the goalposts. i granted that it was exactly what i asked for. but the exact scenario said evidence is given, gives nothing to any form of case. it would be like you saying winter should be banned, and winter getting banned the same day. mere coincidence. unless for whatever reason, coincidence is now enough evidence to jail people? you have meetings, but not collusion. if there was more than the utmost barebones evidence, this would already be over, and you know that. as for it being usable as evidence, the defense is simple: why would Russia need a signal? if they were colluding by that point, then why would they pick the day he said it, to start instead of literally any other day? is that how they make alibis now? by taking refuge in audacity? yep, and none of those indictments are actually for collusion, most of them are counts of fraud. false bank accounts, and tax evasion are the word of the day for those accusations. none of the actual american relations involve trump either. the russians who are currently under the scope have already been stated to have not influenced a thing about the elecions (meaning they had nothing to do with hillary's loss at the polls) one of them are related to false ID's, (somehow only bad when it's not from mexico). one was an obstruction of justice charge, with does nothing for the actual case. as or the impeachment case, it's an attempt to make the system easier to rig for impeachment. not a good idea by any means, because it's a wweapon that can be used by both sides. holding it to proper rigidity is absolutely necessary, and the republican party would be foolish to try and push through with the plan. as for the claims that trump is guilty of obstruction of justice, trump is making tweets about his case. if that counts as obstruction of justice, then everybody who ever jabronied about investigations into them on their media feed would be guilty. and no, presidential status does not change this. we all know trump wants him to quit wasting our time, trump tweeting about it applies no pressure beyond that of public annoyance, and if that's enough to end the case, then i'd say they never had anything to begin with. which brings us back to the start. they still have 0 solid collusion evidence. they have fake bank accounts and money laundering, and if that's evidence of collusion with a country (corruption it is unquestionably, collusion it is not by any means) then you could spear almost the entirety of congress with such a long reaching legal weapon. collusion though? none yet. and thanks to the russian leaks, we all now know that if the FBI had that evidence, they'd be using it as soon as possible. they don't, they've been trying to find it for two years, and all they've got to show for it is that people in politics are trying to hide their money from tax collectors. and that's been known since forever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom Roxas Posted August 9, 2018 Report Share Posted August 9, 2018 https://www.rawstory.com/2018/08/maddow-obtains-tape-devin-nunes-confessing-gop-plan-impeach-rosenstein-must-impede-investigation-goes-away/ Devin Nunes has revealed that he's trying to impede the investigation just to maintain the Republican majority. He said it would be criminal if an American citizen got secrets from a foreign government. Remember, Trump said that his son met with the Russians for the express purpose of receiving secrets from a foreign government. He also stated that there are still plans to impeach Rosenstein to stop the investigation. You can agree or disagree on the merits of the investigation in and of themselves, but Devin Nunes is helping to obstruct justice, so regardless of what the investigation turns up, Nunes has now put himself even more at risk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom Roxas Posted August 22, 2018 Report Share Posted August 22, 2018 https://twitter.com/sahilkapur/status/1032086602028384256 Michael Cohen's lawyer confirms Cohen knows information that would be of interest to the special counsel, and whether or not Trump knew ahead of time about the hacking, and even cheered it on. That's a pretty specific thing to tease that Cohen may know about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dad Posted August 22, 2018 Author Report Share Posted August 22, 2018 Incoming pardons boys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom Roxas Posted August 22, 2018 Report Share Posted August 22, 2018 https://www.npr.org/2018/08/22/640795902/michael-cohens-lawyer-says-hed-never-accept-a-pardon-from-president-trump The same lawyer shut that possibility down."[Cohen] has flatly authorized me to say under no circumstances would he accept a pardon from Mr. Trump, who uses the pardon power in a way that no president in American history has ever used a pardon — to relieve people of guilt who committed crimes, who are political cronies of his." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom Roxas Posted September 22, 2018 Report Share Posted September 22, 2018 https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/former-top-white-house-official-revises-statement-to-special-counsel-about-flynns-calls-with-russian-ambassador/2018/09/21/77bb8a7e-bb50-11e8-bdc0-90f81cc58c5d_story.html?utm_term=.1567d58d5560 Former top White House official K.T. MacFarland has revised her statement after it was contradicted by Michael Flynn's guilty plea. She says that Flynn may have discussed sanctions targeting the Russian government. Interesting how more people are flipping on this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom Roxas Posted October 6, 2018 Report Share Posted October 6, 2018 https://www.fresnobee.com/opinion/op-ed/article219558065.html A member of the House Intelligence Committee has confirmed that despite multiple attempts to release transcripts from their interviews regarding Robert Mueller's Russia probe, Devin Nunes opposes any and all efforts to do so. Once again, Devin Nunes continues to enable obstruction of justice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom Roxas Posted November 24, 2018 Report Share Posted November 24, 2018 https://sidebarsblog.com/collusion-crime-mueller-judge-decision/ Federal judge upholds that collusion - or rather, conspiracy to defraud - is indeed a crime. The excuse that "There was no collusion, but even if it was, it would not be a crime" is mostly debunked. You can still debate whether or not there was any "collusion", but if it did happen, it would be criminal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom Roxas Posted November 27, 2018 Report Share Posted November 27, 2018 https://www.politico.com/story/2018/11/26/mueller-manafort-plea-deal-lying-1017278 Paul Manafort violated the plea deal by lying, which is likely going to result in him getting a more severe sentence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom Roxas Posted November 27, 2018 Report Share Posted November 27, 2018 https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/nov/27/manafort-held-secret-talks-with-assange-in-ecuadorian-embassy Paul Manafort met with Julian Assange multiple times. Personally I'm happy to see Manafort constantly making this all worse for himself, so I hope he does receive harsher sentences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted November 27, 2018 Report Share Posted November 27, 2018 https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/nov/27/manafort-held-secret-talks-with-assange-in-ecuadorian-embassy Paul Manafort met with Julian Assange multiple times. Personally I'm happy to see Manafort constantly making this all worse for himself, so I hope he does receive harsher sentences.Wonder if you're gonna correct this given the Guardian keeps changing their story https://sidebarsblog.com/collusion-crime-mueller-judge-decision/ Federal judge upholds that collusion - or rather, conspiracy to defraud - is indeed a crime. The excuse that "There was no collusion, but even if it was, it would not be a crime" is mostly debunked. You can still debate whether or not there was any "collusion", but if it did happen, it would be criminal.I hope you realize that one fed judge saying something does not usually carry a nationwide injunction. And SCOTUS already warned it shouldn't last term. Manafort is up sheet's creek until he gets his pardon, but that's about the extant of it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom Roxas Posted November 27, 2018 Report Share Posted November 27, 2018 Wonder if you're gonna correct this given the Guardian keeps changing their story I hope you realize that one fed judge saying something does not usually carry a nationwide injunction. And SCOTUS already warned it shouldn't last term. Manafort is up sheet's creek until he gets his pardon, but that's about the extant of it Link to me an update from the Guardian after I had posted that link and I will follow accordingly. I'm going to take a judge's ruling at face value. While it does not carry a nationwide injunction, it does establish a precedent that I would like to see followed. You still think Manafort is going to get a pardon? Hilarious. Focus on facts, not speculation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted November 27, 2018 Report Share Posted November 27, 2018 Link to me an update from the Guardian after I had posted that link and I will follow accordingly. I'm going to take a judge's ruling at face value. While it does not carry a nationwide injunction, it does establish a precedent that I would like to see followed. You still think Manafort is going to get a pardon? Hilarious. Focus on facts, not speculation.Manafort lost his immunity deal lying about something. And Trump said he doesn't like what's happening to Manafort. I actually don't think he deserves a pardon, he did some really shady tax sheet that you or I would go in a hole for. So I'm not the one going off what I'd like to see happen here. Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom Roxas Posted November 29, 2018 Report Share Posted November 29, 2018 https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/418673-manafort-pardon-would-be-impeachable-indictable-and-convictable Pardoning Manafort is likely an impeachable offense, and even if he were pardoned for past charges, he could still be slapped with new charges. If Manafort is expecting a pardon, his actions are reckless and stupid because it means he is purposefully committing crimes with the assumption that he will be pardoned for them. However, that fails to understand that pardons are not guaranteed, and would not protect him forever. https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/michael-cohen-expected-plead-guilty-lying-congress-collusion/story?id=59491450 It is two weeks before Michael Cohen will be sentenced for his own charges, he will plead guilty for lying to Congress about his collusions with Russians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom Roxas Posted December 8, 2018 Report Share Posted December 8, 2018 https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/07/nyregion/michael-cohen-sentence.html Michael Cohen implicates Trump in his guilty plea. Prosecutors recommend that Cohen serves roughly four years in prison. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/supreme-court/potential-blow-manafort-supreme-court-unlikely-change-double-jeopardy-rule-n944891 SCOTUS seems to maintain that if Manafort were to be charged again, even if he were to be pardoned, it would not violate double jeopardy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathanael D. Striker Posted December 8, 2018 Report Share Posted December 8, 2018 https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/07/nyregion/michael-cohen-sentence.html Michael Cohen implicates Trump in his guilty plea. Prosecutors recommend that Cohen serves roughly four years in prison. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/supreme-court/potential-blow-manafort-supreme-court-unlikely-change-double-jeopardy-rule-n944891 SCOTUS seems to maintain that if Manafort were to be charged again, even if he were to be pardoned, it would not violate double jeopardy. 1. Interesting.2. Only for State charges, not Federal. Pardon would protect him Federally, as is currently the norm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted December 8, 2018 Report Share Posted December 8, 2018 1. Interesting.2. Only for State charges, not Federal. Pardon would protect him Federally, as is currently the norm.There's 3-4 votes for gamble already Gorsuch, Thomas, Ginsburg, Sotomayor. It's a matter of picking off a 5th vote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom Roxas Posted December 12, 2018 Report Share Posted December 12, 2018 https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/12/11/maria-butina-spy-plea-deal-conspiracy/2274643002/ While not charged as a part of the Mueller probe, Maria Butina will be cooperating with federal prosecutors, and will plead guilty to acting on behalf of Russian operatives to influence U.S. politics. EDIT: https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/12/politics/michael-cohen-sentencing/index.html As for someone who has been charged as part of the Mueller probe, Michael Cohen has been sentenced to three years in prison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom Roxas Posted December 18, 2018 Report Share Posted December 18, 2018 https://www.cbsnews.com/news/michael-flynn-sentence-today-national-security-advisor-trump-administration-live-stream-today-2018-12-18/ Mike Flynn's sentence hearing has begun for lying to the FBI about his contacts with Russian officials. The Judge tells Flynn that "Arguably, you sold your country out." He also rescinds his previous claim that he was not aware that lying to the FBI was a crime.https://www.npr.org/2018/12/18/677778958/trump-foundation-to-dissolve-amid-new-york-ags-investigation Tangentially related, but the Trump Foundation will dissolve following "a shocking pattern of illegality", including using donations for campaign-related purposes, in direct violation of federal law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom Roxas Posted January 17, 2019 Report Share Posted January 17, 2019 https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/17/politics/michael-cohen-poll-rigging/index.html Michael Cohen states that he hired a small IT firm to rig online polls at the direction and for the sole benefit of Trump. While the rigging was unsuccessful, it's still notable that he made effort at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom Roxas Posted January 18, 2019 Report Share Posted January 18, 2019 https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/report-accuses-donald-trump-of-suborning-perjury-like-clinton-and-nixon/ Cohen plainly states that lying before Congress was also at Trump's direction, so Trump's crime here would be suborning perjury and obstruction of justice, which would be impeachable offenses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom Roxas Posted January 19, 2019 Report Share Posted January 19, 2019 https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/michael-cohen-trump-mafioso-don-intimidation_us_5c4261b9e4b0a8dbe17164e9Trump's comments attacking Cohen and Cohen's father-in-law may be broaching witness intimidation and tampering, and could constitute obstruction of justice, as Cohen would have reasonable fear for his family. While Cohen still intends to testify, these threats are completely out of line regardless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom Roxas Posted January 24, 2019 Report Share Posted January 24, 2019 https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/nation/2019/01/23/michael-cohen-delays-house-testimony-citing-threats-from-trump-giuliani/b62HTR7MgpRl0E9d35DxKJ/story.html Michael Cohen postpones testifying before Congress. His lawyer directly cited the witness intimidation that Trump and Giuliani have publicly committed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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