Trickstar Reincarnation + Null & Void combo?

[aussj4link]

Does... does this work? If so... 0.o

 

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Especially the rage quit if this happens first turn...

[Snatch Steal]

I’m pretty sure locking your opponent out of their hand was possible in another way with Reincarnation

[aussj4link]

Definitely, but this lets you do it first turn, provided you get both traps. Of course it wouldn't happen every time, but when it does happen... the lulz.

[Mr. Best Male 2008]

You cannot activate this in response to Reincarnation. Null and Void can only be activated to a card that's only effect is drawing cards. This works against Pot of Desires and Trade-in essentially, but not Reincarnation.

[aussj4link]

Soo is drawing a cost in Reincarnation then? I'm pretty sure the act of drawing is an effect here.

[Dova]

You cannot activate this in response to Reincarnation. Null and Void can only be activated to a card that's only effect is drawing cards. This works against Pot of Desires and Trade-in essentially, but not Reincarnation.

 

Soo is drawing a cost in Reincarnation then? I'm pretty sure the act of drawing is an effect here.

 

The problem is, the effect isn't an "effect of drawing cards". It is an effect that draws a card, and an effect that includes a drawing of cards, but the effect isn't only drawing cards, hence Null and Void doesn't work against this card or, let's say, Dark World Dealings.

[aussj4link]

So Null and Void is essentially a dead card as the only card it can really work against is Pot of Greed because the card it's being used on cannot have anything other than drawing on it?

[Dova]

So Null and Void is essentially a dead card as the only card it can really work against is Pot of Greed because the card it's being used on cannot have anything other than drawing on it?

 

Not necessarily. Costs, such on as the aforementioned Trade-In along with Pot of Desires, aren't included in the actual effect. As long as the effect itself is only drawing cards, this card will work on it.

[Draconus297]

You can trigger it a lot against certain Blue-Eyes Decks, due to them running Cards of Consonance and Trade-In.

 

Pot of Desires sets it off.

 

It can work against the draw portion of Jar of Avarice, or even Pot of Avarice if you're playing in the OCG.

 

If you happen to be playing Goat format for whatever reason, you can obliterate your opponent's hand when they trigger Parshath.

 

Destiny HERO hates this card, because it stops Allure, the aforementioned Trade-In, and Disk Commander.

 

You can trigger it off Reload, Heart of the Underdog, or Upstart against Exodia players.

 

It could hypothetically have been used against Rulers' Super Rejuvenation if I got the rulings right.

 

And that's all off the top of my head.

[Mr. Best Male 2008]

You can trigger it a lot against certain Blue-Eyes Decks, due to them running Cards of Consonance and Trade-In.

 

Pot of Desires sets it off.

 

It can work against the draw portion of Jar of Avarice, or even Pot of Avarice if you're playing in the OCG.

 

If you happen to be playing Goat format for whatever reason, you can obliterate your opponent's hand when they trigger Parshath.

 

Destiny HERO hates this card, because it stops Allure, the aforementioned Trade-In, and Disk Commander.

 

You can trigger it off Reload, Heart of the Underdog, or Upstart against Exodia players.

 

It could hypothetically have been used against Rulers' Super Rejuvenation if I got the rulings right.

 

And that's all off the top of my head.

 

You cannot activate Null and Void in response to Reload. 

[(GigaDrillBreaker)]

You can trigger it a lot against certain Blue-Eyes Decks, due to them running Cards of Consonance and Trade-In.

Pot of Desires sets it off.

It can work against the draw portion of Jar of Avarice, or even Pot of Avarice if you're playing in the OCG.

If you happen to be playing Goat format for whatever reason, you can obliterate your opponent's hand when they trigger Parshath.

Destiny HERO hates this card, because it stops Allure, the aforementioned Trade-In, and Disk Commander.

You can trigger it off Reload, Heart of the Underdog, or Upstart against Exodia players.

It could hypothetically have been used against Rulers' Super Rejuvenation if I got the rulings right.

And that's all off the top of my head.

all this being said, you are still probably better off with droll and lock bird or ash in all of these situations

 

Droll, for the record, does work with reincarnation.

[VCR_CAT]

all this being said, you are still probably better off with droll and lock bird or ash in all of these situations

 

Droll, for the record, does work with reincarnation.

 

You just need to wait for the opponent to search something first before going forward with that, otherwise it doesn't work out.

 

Alternatively, whenever I play against Trickstars and they go first, I'll notice if they didn't just insta-Reincarnate me on the draw or standby-phase, and that tells me instantly that they have Droll and Lock, so I'll then play accordingly. Of course, you can always use that to your advantage. Maybe.

[Mr. Best Male 2008]

Since we're on the topic of this card here's some of the things I do vs Trickstars:

 

- A good Trickstar player will never shotgun their Reincarnations because they want to hit cards you have searched to make you lose resources and don't want to fix your bad hand

- If you do open a bad hand you can simple go "Standby, Main Phase, Battle Phase" (Even if you don't open Evenly Matched) and this will force the Trickstar player to activate his Reincarnation(s) possibly fixing your hand

- Set key cards before you search. If you start setting your hand like terraforming etc your opponent will be forced to shotgun Reincarnation and you will keep important cards. Also baits out any Cosmic Cyclones they may have.

- If they resolve Scapegoat and you have cards such as Torrential Tribute or Bottomless Trap Hole use them on the Missus Radiants etc before they summon Borreload. A good Trickstar player will know he has priority in activating quick effects so they can activate Borreload's effect making a card lose 500 attack, and since neither player can respond to this effect you cannot Torrential Tribute or Bottomless Trap Hole their Borreload.

- If you own Ash Blossom you don't really have to fear the "double Reincarnation Droll" combo because mathematically it is in your favor of opening or drawing into Ash Blossom after the first Reincarnation. (I can't recall but I know the number was between 65-75%). 

 

It's 3 a.m Idk why I am awake or if this is even a valuable post cause I'm tired af.

[vla1ne]

You just need to wait for the opponent to search something first before going forward with that, otherwise it doesn't work out.

 

Alternatively, whenever I play against Trickstars and they go first, I'll notice if they didn't just insta-Reincarnate me on the draw or standby-phase, and that tells me instantly that they have Droll and Lock, so I'll then play accordingly. Of course, you can always use that to your advantage. Maybe.

depends, reincarnate on the draw is sometimes the best, and sometimes the worst play. if they i what deck i'm up against, (say, one that has a lot of searchers) i may wait till you search to pull off the combo, but if not, say i don't have droll, but have 2-3 reincarnation/disturbance strategy/ the one dark room of nightmare copy, hitting you first thing with reincarnation (assuming stage/ lycoris is out) is usually the better choice. since i can usually remove at least one or two vital cards that you need in your opening hand. this can backfire, but unless i know you have a lot of searchers, so long as i have a decent amount of the setup to throw at you, it's usually better for me to just hit you before you can lessen the potential damage. ()setting your hand would make reincarnation far less useful.

 

 

Since we're on the topic of this card here's some of the things I do vs Trickstars:

 

- A good Trickstar player will never shotgun their Reincarnations because they want to hit cards you have searched to make you lose resources and don't want to fix your bad hand

- If you do open a bad hand you can simple go "Standby, Main Phase, Battle Phase" (Even if you don't open Evenly Matched) and this will force the Trickstar player to activate his Reincarnation(s) possibly fixing your hand

- Set key cards before you search. If you start setting your hand like terraforming etc your opponent will be forced to shotgun Reincarnation and you will keep important cards. Also baits out any Cosmic Cyclones they may have.

- If they resolve Scapegoat and you have cards such as Torrential Tribute or Bottomless Trap Hole use them on the Missus Radiants etc before they summon Borreload. A good Trickstar player will know he has priority in activating quick effects so they can activate Borreload's effect making a card lose 500 attack, and since neither player can respond to this effect you cannot Torrential Tribute or Bottomless Trap Hole their Borreload.

- If you own Ash Blossom you don't really have to fear the "double Reincarnation Droll" combo because mathematically it is in your favor of opening or drawing into Ash Blossom after the first Reincarnation. (I can't recall but I know the number was between 65-75%). 

 

It's 3 a.m Idk why I am awake or if this is even a valuable post cause I'm tired af.

-depends. if i you have the OTK, or at least 5K damage worth of reshuffles, it's sometimes worth the risk just to maximize the initial burn. assuming competitive scene, decks are built to be as consistent as possible. regardless of what gets hit, so ensuring you at least hit LP hard, there's no real right choice (until you know what deck you're up against and even still)

-agreed. the smaller your hand, the less you'll get hurt by the burn portion of the deck. the droll portion will hurt regardless, but the lycoris setup requires you to at least have a hand to take a hit.

-as somebody who does not own borrelload, the torrential rules apply even if trickstar players summonin holly angel or bloody mary. killing the ED threats is mandatory. and no trickstar player in their right mind would swap a lycoris in hand to protect a mary or holly on field. (there's exceptions, but in general)

-because ash is the bane of trickstar players. 

 

side note, but if dark room of nightmare is on board, destroy it. not sure if too many players run it, but even 1 copy, can hit for an extra 2K-3k damage off of reincarnation. i've stolen many a game from people underestimating it. 

 

 

as it's been said already, but null and void does not help in trickstars. but if you're looking for some spicy tech, appropriate might get you some good mileage. 

[Darj]

You can trigger it a lot against certain Blue-Eyes Decks, due to them running Cards of Consonance and Trade-In.

 

Pot of Desires sets it off.

 

It can work against the draw portion of Jar of Avarice, or even Pot of Avarice if you're playing in the OCG.

 

If you happen to be playing Goat format for whatever reason, you can obliterate your opponent's hand when they trigger Parshath.

 

Destiny HERO hates this card, because it stops Allure, the aforementioned Trade-In, and Disk Commander.

 

You can trigger it off Reload, Heart of the Underdog, or Upstart against Exodia players.

 

It could hypothetically have been used against Rulers' Super Rejuvenation if I got the rulings right.

 

And that's all off the top of my head.

 

AFAIK it wouldn't work vs. Pot and Jar of Avarice, since they shuffle cards into the Deck as part of their effects.

[Dragulas]

Does Null and Void activates in response to a draw effect (in its range) or activates after the cards are drawn. By the text it seems the first one, but it really needs an updated text

[Darj]

Does Null and Void activates in response to a draw effect (in its range) or activates after the cards are drawn. By the text it seems the first one, but it really needs an updated text

 

Appears to activate in response, but applies once the cards are drawn.

For instance, this can be chained to Pot of Greed as Chain Link2 but it doesn't do anything until the cards are drawn.

[Mr. Best Male 2008]

depends, reincarnate on the draw is sometimes the best, and sometimes the worst play. if they i what deck i'm up against, (say, one that has a lot of searchers) i may wait till you search to pull off the combo, but if not, say i don't have droll, but have 2-3 reincarnation/disturbance strategy/ the one dark room of nightmare copy, hitting you first thing with reincarnation (assuming stage/ lycoris is out) is usually the better choice. since i can usually remove at least one or two vital cards that you need in your opening hand. this can backfire, but unless i know you have a lot of searchers, so long as i have a decent amount of the setup to throw at you, it's usually better for me to just hit you before you can lessen the potential damage. ()setting your hand would make reincarnation far less useful.

 

 

-depends. if i you have the OTK, or at least 5K damage worth of reshuffles, it's sometimes worth the risk just to maximize the initial burn. assuming competitive scene, decks are built to be as consistent as possible. regardless of what gets hit, so ensuring you at least hit LP hard, there's no real right choice (until you know what deck you're up against and even still)

-agreed. the smaller your hand, the less you'll get hurt by the burn portion of the deck. the droll portion will hurt regardless, but the lycoris setup requires you to at least have a hand to take a hit.

-as somebody who does not own borrelload, the torrential rules apply even if trickstar players summonin holly angel or bloody mary. killing the ED threats is mandatory. and no trickstar player in their right mind would swap a lycoris in hand to protect a mary or holly on field. (there's exceptions, but in general)

-because ash is the bane of trickstar players. 

 

side note, but if dark room of nightmare is on board, destroy it. not sure if too many players run it, but even 1 copy, can hit for an extra 2K-3k damage off of reincarnation. i've stolen many a game from people underestimating it. 

 

 

as it's been said already, but null and void does not help in trickstars. but if you're looking for some spicy tech, appropriate might get you some good mileage. 

 

Dark Room was dropped competitively forever ago as it doesn't do anything except burn. The deck was designed as a burn deck, but nobody plays it that way because it's just not very good. The Lycoris burn is essentially the side dish of the deck. Appropriate is funny but not very viable because it will not draw off of the first Reincarnation. You need two to trigger the draw. 

 

A funny tech that my friend Ashley was doing was using Ties of the Brethren on Candina to summon out Light Barrier Statue and Honest, then returning honest to hand. She got top 8? I think in her regionals last year. It's not the most consistent thing, but I laugh when I see it happen.

[Sleepy]

Of the two, Droll & Lock Bird is the one unlimited, so looking for further alternatives seemed odd, but then I remembered Reincarnation is very searchable and can consistently be accessed on demand. Though if you ever wanna look for less good alternatives to the hand refresh effect, there's always

[spoiler=Disturbance Strategy]

 

 

Null & Void's effect is so odd. I guess it is about the very specific way it is worded, and probably because of how old it is and the old lore is not very good at explaining things a lot of the time.
Comparing it to something like, say, Solemn Warning, that can negate any Summoning effect even if it doesn't just Summon for its effect, or even if it wants to preemptively choose not to use the Summon effect at all, such as Starlight Road.
That is I suppose the difference between "that includes an effect that..." with Null & Void. 
 

The closest thing to a "you can't have that card(s)" surprise effect you could go for is Mind Crush. It could occasionally jackpot multiple copies of what you call, and it'll always hit something so long as the opponent searches, but it is otherwise somewhat outdated and even potentially underwhelming. 

[aussj4link]

Since we're on the topic of this card here's some of the things I do vs Trickstars:

 

- A good Trickstar player will never shotgun their Reincarnations because they want to hit cards you have searched to make you lose resources and don't want to fix your bad hand

- If you do open a bad hand you can simple go "Standby, Main Phase, Battle Phase" (Even if you don't open Evenly Matched) and this will force the Trickstar player to activate his Reincarnation(s) possibly fixing your hand

- Set key cards before you search. If you start setting your hand like terraforming etc your opponent will be forced to shotgun Reincarnation and you will keep important cards. Also baits out any Cosmic Cyclones they may have.

- If they resolve Scapegoat and you have cards such as Torrential Tribute or Bottomless Trap Hole use them on the Missus Radiants etc before they summon Borreload. A good Trickstar player will know he has priority in activating quick effects so they can activate Borreload's effect making a card lose 500 attack, and since neither player can respond to this effect you cannot Torrential Tribute or Bottomless Trap Hole their Borreload.

- If you own Ash Blossom you don't really have to fear the "double Reincarnation Droll" combo because mathematically it is in your favor of opening or drawing into Ash Blossom after the first Reincarnation. (I can't recall but I know the number was between 65-75%). 

 

It's 3 a.m Idk why I am awake or if this is even a valuable post cause I'm tired af.

 

The reason I'm trying to run this is trying to see if a deck death deck is viable. I am going for Empty Jar strat but I'm trying to put a spin on it any way I can to make it a little more effective than most Empty Jar decks. I saw Trickstar and figured it may be worth looking into for this deck. I'd definitely wait until a search happens before using it unless I draw it first turn in which I can burn 6 cards right away.

[VCR_CAT]

depends, reincarnate on the draw is sometimes the best, and sometimes the worst play. if they i what deck i'm up against, (say, one that has a lot of searchers) i may wait till you search to pull off the combo, but if not, say i don't have droll, but have 2-3 reincarnation/disturbance strategy/ the one dark room of nightmare copy, hitting you first thing with reincarnation (assuming stage/ lycoris is out) is usually the better choice. since i can usually remove at least one or two vital cards that you need in your opening hand. this can backfire, but unless i know you have a lot of searchers, so long as i have a decent amount of the setup to throw at you, it's usually better for me to just hit you before you can lessen the potential damage. ()setting your hand would make reincarnation far less useful.

 

If you're saying "but what if I'm waiting to hit your search", then you didn't think for a moment what I meant by "playing around Droll and Lock Bird". Think for a moment the situation I'm talking about and what my opponent is telegraphing to me, and how I might play around it as a player.

[vla1ne]

If you're saying "but what if I'm waiting to hit your search", then you didn't think for a moment what I meant by "playing around Droll and Lock Bird". Think for a moment the situation I'm talking about and what my opponent is telegraphing to me, and how I might play around it as a player.

enlighten me please. i'm too tired to think atm.

[VCR_CAT]

enlighten me please. i'm too tired to think atm.

 

Because Droll and Lock Bird only triggers when your opponent adds a card to their hand with an effect, then you start by getting your stuff on the field or playing to the best of your ability without draw/search effects, which is pretty easy and possible for a lot of decks. When the alternative is the strong chance that your opponent has a combo that dumps your entire hand and leaves you with nothing, then you go with what you can.

[vla1ne]

Because Droll and Lock Bird only triggers when your opponent adds a card to their hand with an effect, then you start by getting your stuff on the field or playing to the best of your ability without draw/search effects, which is pretty easy and possible for a lot of decks. When the alternative is the strong chance that your opponent has a combo that dumps your entire hand and leaves you with nothing, then you go with what you can.

oh that. i run gift cards since going second usually make the hand destruction plays impotent. solves that issue pretty easily.