Super Smash Bros Ultimate

[~British Soul~]

I know this is minor but details about Solgaleo/Lunala's features as pokeball 'mons are known; they use their signature moves to inflict major damage.

[Snatch Steal]

 

CEO was cool

[Shradow]

Oh my god the new song featured on the game's website is a remix of City Trial from Kirby Air Ride, I'm so happy.

 

 

If there was actually a City Trial stage that would be the absolute best, City Trial was my sheet back in the day.

[Blake]

Got a leak from 4chan.

 

[spoiler=Leak]OK Kiddies, see if you can figure this one out.

 

July: The characters “King” and “Ponytail” will be revealed in a mini direct

 

August: The character “Old Man” will be revealed at years EVO

 

September: The character “Archer” will be revealed in a direct of some kind

 

October: The Characters “Warrior” & “Secretary” will be revealed in a Smash Ultimate focused Direct.

 

November: The character “Mech” will be revealed in a surprise character announcement

 

The other characters: The Characters “Rhythm” “Folklore” “Doll” and “Prime Ribs” won’t get reveal trailers until post release.

[spoiler=Identities?]people have a general idea for which is which, so lets gooo

 

In order, characters are expected to be:

 

King K Rool

Dixie Kong

Heihachi?

Decidueye

Simon Belmont

Isabelle

Xenoblade character

Chorus Kids

Folklore seems to only fit Amaterasu???

Geno

Dark Samus

 

 

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

[spoiler=Spoiler]

No Shovel Knight?

 

 

[Flame Dragon]

[spoiler=Spoiler]

King K Rool AND Dixie Kong would be a dream.

 

Super happy to see Decidueye.

 

Simon is expect.

 

Xenoblade character is likely to be Rex/Pyra.

 

Heihachi isn't that shocking.

 

Isabelle and Chorus Kids are going to be weird.

 

Doll being Geno makes sense and is really cool. “Folklore” and “Prime Ribs” however I can't get a read on. I mean, Amaterasu would be cool as would Dark Samus but not sure if those are it.

 

This seems like a lot of characters though. Counting the echoes this would be 14 which is pretty in line with what we've gotten before.

 

I'm surprised Spring Man isn't on the list though. Only other character I wanted that isn't here was my long shot Banjo & Kazooie.

 

 

[Shradow]

4chan leaks have a pretty good track record, though I'd be careful with this one being from an anon (granted, the guy who leaked Nintendo's entire Smash Bros bit the day prior was anon, too, so who knows).

 

[spoiler=spoilers]Heihachi would be dope, I've never played any Tekken but I'm intrigued by its story and the Heihachi's my favorite character. He was considered for Smash 4 at one point, so him being in this one wouldn't be too unexpected.

 

I'd love Isabelle, she's adorable and my absolute favorite Animal Crossing character. I have no idea how she would fight, though.

 

Dark Samus being a character would validate everyone thinking about the fact they changed Samus' Dark Samus alt colors.

 

If Ammy gets in she's my new main. No matter what.

 

 

EDIT: [spoiler=remembered something]Prime rib is Ninten's favorite dish in Mother 1.

 

[~British Soul~]

[spoiler=spoiler]

I know King K Rool have been on people's wishlists for a while, so it would be cool to see him here

Of course despite the fact that this is a leak, I am going to remain sceptical/treating it as speculation until any confirmation is made.

 

 

[Flame Dragon]

EDIT: [spoiler=remembered something]Prime rib is Ninten's favorite dish in Mother 1.

 

I can totally believe that being the case. Would make a lot of sense too.

 

Either way, the leak says we'll have the first bit of info this month so we'll know soon how much we can trust this.

[Snatch Steal]

Sounds like way too many characters to be believable. Sakurai said only a few newcomers because the roster is inflated as is.

 

I’m gonna say it’ll cap out at 70, and that’s including DLC that’s bound to be released.

[Shradow]

He's also said that, like, the last 2 or 3 Smash games would be his last. And iirc his words were something like, "I hope you don't expect too many newcomers." That doesn't necessarily mean there won't be many, Sakurai could be tempering people's expectations while going for a surprise.

[Flame Dragon]

Sounds like way too many characters to be believable. Sakurai said only a few newcomers because the roster is inflated as is.

 

I’m gonna say it’ll cap out at 70, and that’s including DLC that’s bound to be released.

 

Yea, that is my biggest issue with the leak. That is WAY more new characters than I'd expect.

[spoiler=Fighter numbers]

Counting echo as new fighters thats 14 new characters. While it is bit less than Brawl's (18) and a fair bit less than 4's (21), that is still a large number of new characters. When Sakurai said not to expect many newcomers I was expecting a much larger drop compared to previous games.

 

 

 

He's also said that, like, the last 2 or 3 Smash games would be his last. And iirc his words were something like, "I hope you don't expect too many newcomers." That doesn't necessarily mean there won't be many, Sakurai could be tempering people's expectations while going for a surprise.

This is certainly true. And while this is a lot, it is less than the new characters added for Brawl and 4. That said it is still a lot of characters.

[Shradow]

WHAT A THRILL

 

 

Oh man I wasn't expecting this to show up on the blog today, damn I wish this were longer. Not as good as the original with the lyrics but it's still pretty damn good, I think it works better for a fighting game. If there's Stage Builder in this game, gotta make a stage that's just one giant ladder and play this song.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Why aren't people talking about Shovel Knight more?

[Shradow]

Well, personally I've never actually played it so while it'd be cool if he got in, I've got no strong feelings one way or the other.

[Snatch Steal]

Shovel Knight and crash would be perfect fits for smash bros and I’d be surprised if Sakurai decided not to act on either of them.

 

Bayonetta’s inclusion was probably influenced a fair amount by Sakurai bias since he wants Smash to be as unique as possible, and I think those two really fit the bill

[Flame Dragon]

WHAT A THRILL

 

 

Oh man I wasn't expecting this to show up on the blog today, damn I wish this were longer. Not as good as the original with the lyrics but it's still pretty damn good, I think it works better for a fighting game. If there's Stage Builder in this game, gotta make a stage that's just one giant ladder and play this song.

This is a real cool version of the song. The original is a classic, but agree that this is better for a fighting game.

 

 

Why aren't people talking about Shovel Knight more?

 

Because he is 3rd party. While people certainly want 3rd party characters I don't think he is big enough to come up over a bunch of others.

 

Shovel Knight and crash would be perfect fits for smash bros and I’d be surprised if Sakurai decided not to act on either of them.

 

Bayonetta’s inclusion was probably influenced a fair amount by Sakurai bias since he wants Smash to be as unique as possible, and I think those two really fit the bill

Bayo is in since she won the poll.

[Blake]

Bayo is in since she won the poll.

(Supposedly) nope

 

We recently had a rumor in Japan that the results were for future smash games, and that the DLC in 3DS/WiiU was NOT influenced by the polls.

[Flame Dragon]

(Supposedly) nope

 

We recently had a rumor in Japan that the results were for future smash games, and that the DLC in 3DS/WiiU was NOT influenced by the polls.

While I'm not going to say thats impossible, my question is, to what end would they say the poll was for 3DS/WiiU when it wasn't. They have no reason to lie about that. Don't get me wrong, I fully believe the characters being included in Ultimate are likely being pulled from the poll, but that doesn't also mean Bayo wasn't the top vote getter.

[Blake]

But Bayo receiving the most votes doesn’t mean she got in due to the poll.

 

Supposedly, she was already planned pre-poll as a fighter/DLC if time ran short. Being the winner =/= getting in due to the poll.

[cr47t]

Am I the only person who thinks some of the more neglected Nintendo stars should have a Smash Bros fighter? I know that they do this for a lot of things, but some characters, notably Mike Jones from StarTropics, don't even get a trophy, and I wish they would recognize these kinds of forgotten gems.

[Flame Dragon]

But Bayo receiving the most votes doesn’t mean she got in due to the poll.

 

Supposedly, she was already planned pre-poll as a fighter/DLC if time ran short. Being the winner =/= getting in due to the poll.

But, why Bayo? They have tons of options for possible characters, both in and outside of Nintendo. What would have made Bayo be the one they planned on putting in. Also, what would have happened in other characters had done better in the polls? I mean yea, Nintendo could lie, but working from that assumption makes it so you never have any ground to stand on since anyone can lie to us about literally everything. And this also begs the question, why create a poll saying it was for a Smash 4 character when that was never the goal?

 

Am I the only person who thinks some of the more neglected Nintendo stars should have a Smash Bros fighter? I know that they do this for a lot of things, but some characters, notably Mike Jones from StarTropics, don't even get a trophy, and I wish they would recognize these kinds of forgotten gems.

Thats the thing about forgotten gems, Smash DOES recognize a TON of smaller gems. It sucks when the one that is near and dear to you isn't one of them, but Sakurai loves his off the beaten path characters. Its is like a decent part of why the retro trio is in. All I can really say is that it is very possible for someone like Mike Jones to show up. Though, from the VERY little I just looked up about the franchise, it was designed without plans for it to make it to Japan and that would certainly hurt its chances.

[Blake]

But, why Bayo? They have tons of options for possible characters, both in and outside of Nintendo. What would have made Bayo be the one they planned on putting in. Also, what would have happened in other characters had done better in the polls? I mean yea, Nintendo could lie, but working from that assumption makes it so you never have any ground to stand on since anyone can lie to us about literally everything. And this also begs the question, why create a poll saying it was for a Smash 4 character when that was never the goal?

First off, people have wanted Bayonetta for years. She’s not some random character that got added. She adds a completely different playstyle, she represents a more adult Nintendo (while keeping the charm of regular Nintendo), and Sakurai wanted her in, much like how he wants FE to be heavily represented because it is his favorite franchise (forget the interview, but he did admit to it being his favorite).

 

On top of that, you’re assuming Nintendo lied, but my argument says much the opposite. That WAS the goal... but things changed in a nice, tidy manner.

 

If Bayonetta was planned ahead of time, then winning the poll is irrelevant. It would mean they were already working on the poll winner before she even won, which means they can put the poll in their back pocket for later. There’s no lie there, just convenience that that two happened to line up. This requires fewer assumptions than “they lied”, especially when they acknowledged that Bayonetta did win the poll with her reveal.

 

If another had won, they most certainly would have been added... but that isn’t the case, because they didn’t win. Sakurai wanted her in, but it’s not like she was an unpopular pick from the start, so working on her in case she won OR didn’t is fine. It’s not like Corrin was winning any polls, either, but they got added because IS/Nintendo/Sakurai/someone wanted them added.

[Snatch Steal]

Another thing about Bayonetta is that she could be implemented with a model similar to ZSS's. 

 

https://youtu.be/E80mRgMM7I4?t=1m17s

 

Compared to the models of everyone else, the fact that she can do Bayonetta's taunt and not distort her body in weird ways inclines me to believe that it would be conservative for the game to just recycle the model.

 

Kind of like how Captain Falcon and Ganondorf have very similar skeletons, and they along with Samus have the same axe kick.

 

Also the more I watch the video the more I notice that Lucina and Corrin's models don't change much when they do it, either.

[I Hate Snatch Steal]

I'm curious, what does this game add for brand new features? Smash 4 for Wiiu added 8 player smash. Brawl added my personal favorite, smash balls. What does this edition add?

 

edit: I didn't read the whole thread because that would take too long