Restructuring the Mod Team

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Winter, that was completely unnecessary.

??? What? I was defending you. I don't like you, but I'm not gonna advocate planting a knife in your back when you're not around. And I don't think that happened. Think you misunderstood

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

I'm not comfortable sticking Sakura while he is away. That's the kinda sneaky bullshit the mods (including Sakura) did to me. I didn't like it when it was done to me. Not gonna condone it for others

[Phantom Roxas]

 

As your leader, I promise not to let that happen!

 

I've already laid out my problems with the handling of Sakura and Zai over time in the mod forum. I don't feel it is appropriate to do so publicly, at this time, but there are issues... And one of them I pointed out is the tendency to let things simmer down and then ignore them.

 

The only thing I will say is that a moderator(s) admitted there was no argument for keeping Zai back in November. To me, while I was not a moderator. Regardless of the current situation or any reason(s) to keep him at this time, this issue, and many others, need to be tackled, as I alluded to in the "Zai." thread in C&S.

 

There are now mods and members alike, from different walks, in agreement. The site has come to a point where change is needed and accepted by most people.

 

I will do my absolute best to not let these issues fall by the wayside... But I ask that you guys also make sure they don't. People speaking up when there is an issue is absolutely vital, and, even if you simply come to me, Cow, Dad, whoever in PM, do it. Staying silent helps no one, and I, among others, will work towards removing the stigma towards members' concerns.

 

As a side note, we are in talks of adding a Moderator. That person is still considering their decision, but there will be a public thread discussing it before any promotion happens.

 

 

Thank you. While I understand the push for transparency, I realize that there are things the mod team cannot share with the public. I've mixed feelings regarding Zai, but I think I've said enough in past, and the thread about him addressed concerns as well, so I can't add much.

 

Sakura said he'll be back by the last week of March. Since April 1st is... likely to not be taken seriously all that much, I would ask that April 2nd should be the "deadline" of sorts for a decision to be made about Sakura.

 

??? What? I was defending you. I don't like you, but I'm not gonna advocate planting a knife in your back when you're not around. And I don't think that happened. Think you misunderstood

 

I understood what you meant. I'm not going to go into it too much, but I was frustrated with your post because of how much actually did happen.

[Dad]

For clarity:

 

I told Sakura to leave for a while. It's easier to figure out how rapidly we should dig into his status as a whole. He simply took my advice and ran with it.

 

I also advised against demoting him while he was away If we were going to do it. If we can wait for Night, we can wait for Sakura.

 

In addition, I told Zai he should step down. He hasn't addressed it yet but I know he will. It's a constant over his head.

 

Finally, I also suggested that we proceed forward with this POSSSIBLE promotion but only AFTER internal changes have been made. I.E. Zai and Sakura.

 

That should be everything.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Thank you. While I understand the push for transparency, I realize that there are things the mod team cannot share with the public. I've mixed feelings regarding Zai, but I think I've said enough in past, and the thread about him addressed concerns as well, so I can't add much.

 

Sakura said he'll be back by the last week of March. Since April 1st is... likely to not be taken seriously all that much, I would ask that April 2nd should be the "deadline" of sorts for a decision to be made about Sakura.

 

 

I understood what you meant. I'm not going to go into it too much, but I was frustrated with your post because of how much actually did happen.

I was very public and vocal about my disagreements with you. If people did conspire behind your back, I apologize. I wanted you demoted. And I don't think that was ever a secret. 

 

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I'm not supporting Sakura or any of the others here. I keep hearing about change then what Mitch and Jesse described happens. But Sakura has taken a week off, and that creates a kinda contract with us. If we're sure we have a case against Sakura, wait till he gets back to lay it out. I don't think demoting him now is OK.

 

Night is different cuz he's been given a ton of due notice 

[Simping For Hina]

??? What? I was defending you. I don't like you, but I'm not gonna advocate planting a knife in your back when you're not around. And I don't think that happened. Think you misunderstood

I really don't want to get involved. Seriously, I hate replying to you even when it is necessary. I'm not Roxas's guardian, either, but I'll put my words together here. You publicly called him out; the use of his name was not necessary. You could have had the same impact in your words without using it. Stop calling people out if it doesn't require it. I.e. when you are not addressing them directly. You are not talking to Roxas, you are talking about Roxas when it isn't even the topic, and the name has no place in that conversation. Your personal feelings toward him do not construct this conversation and is unnecessary to include. You could have gotten the same point across without mentioning it.

 

Also, Night doesn't care about this site. He actively doesn't even have a means to care about this site, he has other things that take up his time and actually mean more. He doesn't do anything with his position, positively or negatively, so it is just a title and an empty face right now. There is no real reason to do anything about it until he comes on and steps down from his position. This argument, while meaningful, isn't where we should be focusing our point. He is in a neutral position when it comes to his place on this site, where the real problems are the mods that are active and do nothing to help this site.

[Dad]

Let's end the discussion of Winter and Roxas now, please. Stay on topic. Thanks.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Let's end the discussion of Winter and Roxas now, please. Stay on topic. Thanks.

Hold on Dad, I need to finish: @@Phantom Roxas I'm sorry. I didn't mean to offend, but clearly it was taken that way

I really don't want to get involved. Seriously, I hate replying to you even when it is necessary. I'm not Roxas's guardian, either, but I'll put my words together here. You publicly called him out; the use of his name was not necessary. You could have had the same impact in your words without using it. Stop calling people out if it doesn't require it. I.e. when you are not addressing them directly. You are not talking to Roxas, you are talking about Roxas when it isn't even the topic, and the name has no place in that conversation. Your personal feelings toward him do not construct this conversation and is unnecessary to include. You could have gotten the same point across without mentioning it.

I really couldn't have. I could have skiped the "ie" all together, but just putting a generic name there would defeated the ie. I'm not calling him out at all. I'm literally just saying let's not lynch Sakura when he's away, cuz that's a gross violation of due process. And even people I dislike, are entitled to habeas corpus. I'm not calling Roxas out, just noting that I didn't try to plant daggers in his back, like some are advocating doing to Sakura during his break. 

[Phantom Roxas]

For clarity:

 

I told Sakura to leave for a while. It's easier to figure out how rapidly we should dig into his status as a whole. He simply took my advice and ran with it.

 

I also advised against demoting him while he was away If we were going to do it. If we can wait for Night, we can wait for Sakura.

 

In addition, I told Zai he should step down. He hasn't addressed it yet but I know he will. It's a constant over his head.

 

Finally, I also suggested that we proceed forward with this POSSSIBLE promotion but only AFTER internal changes have been made. I.E. Zai and Sakura.

 

That should be everything.

 

Yeah, that covers everything. Another issue seems to be that we shouldn't wait on Night, but I understand what you mean about waiting for both. In the case with some mods, I'm not sure if the issue is some should be asked to step down, or if they should be forcibly removed from the team.

 

And waiting on the possible promotion until Zai and Sakura have been dealt with is fine. Otherwise it seems that there may be too much to juggle, so better to clean up the current team before adding in someone new.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Seconding Roxas here. Night was given a dismissal over a year ago, he showed up and got his position back a day later. I think I mentioned in one of the Zai threads, Night had less posts over my ENTIRE 6 month ban than some of our posters get in a week.  Think about that. That's the sorta activity that doesn't merit multiple grace periods  

[LordCowCowCowCowCowCowCowCow]

Okay, I think this line of discussion has been beaten to death.

So if it helps I'll be pushing to demod Night and demote Sakura in the mod forum. I have to admit I kinda agree with the members on this one >.>

And I'd like if we calmed the storm about this for now. Just because it's all been said already.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

The storm will calm for now. But if nothing happens in 2 weeks. It'll not fade away this time

[Sunshine Jesse]

For clarity:

 

I told Sakura to leave for a while. It's easier to figure out how rapidly we should dig into his status as a whole. He simply took my advice and ran with it.

I don't like this at all. I have no doubt that you had the best of intentions, but this comes off as far too underhanded and slimy for me to accept.

 

This has been bubbling under the surface for a while now, and it's finally coming up, visible for everyone to see. It needs to be resolved now. Even if you don't intend it this way, it really looks like you've given cover to someone so they can run away and better defend themselves when everyone runs out of ammo, so to speak.

 

That's as underhanded as it gets, and it should've been obvious to see that it could've been perceived as that.

 

Okay, I think this line of discussion has been beaten to death.

So if it helps I'll be pushing to demod Night and demote Sakura in the mod forum. I have to admit I kinda agree with the members on this one >.>

And I'd like if we calmed the storm about this for now. Just because it's all been said already.

 

 

I can't calm the storm. I have no reason to believe that the mod team will handle this correctly this time, new recruits be damned. That trust has been broken, and nothing has been done to rebuild that trust, so I'm not going to be silent until I see results. I need to see strength. I need decisive action. I need a mod team willing to make decisions when they're at their hardest to make, and not wait for them to get easier.

 

If you want people to be silent about your problems, fix them. It's not my responsibility to let you think you're doing the right thing.

[LordCowCowCowCowCowCowCowCow]

I can't calm the storm. I have no reason to believe that the mod team will handle this correctly this time, new recruits be damned. That trust has been broken, and nothing has been done to rebuild that trust, so I'm not going to be silent until I see results. I need to see strength. I need decisive action. I need a mod team willing to make decisions when they're at their hardest to make, and not wait for them to get easier.

 

If you want people to be silent about your problems, fix them. It's not my responsibility to let you think you're doing the right thing.

If you have no reason to believe the mod team will do it then saying it over and over again won't do anything either.

I was asking but now I'm telling. From what I see in the mod forum the majority is in agreement that within a couple weeks Sakura will be demoted and Night will be demodded. (Also Zai is being brought up too). If you want to keep telling us go right ahead as long as you don't spam, flame, doublepost, or other rule-breaking things that's fine by me. However don't expect much response more than what you're getting right now because it's being taken care of.

[Sunshine Jesse]

If you have no reason to believe the mod team will do it then saying it over and over again won't do anything either.

I was asking but now I'm telling. From what I see in the mod forum the majority is in agreement that within a couple weeks Sakura will be demoted and Night will be demodded. (Also Zai is being brought up too). If you want to keep telling us go right ahead as long as you don't spam, flame, doublepost, or other rule-breaking things that's fine by me. However don't expect much response more than what you're getting right now because it's being taken care of.

Alright. That gives me more peace of mind.

I'll wait, then.

 

For now.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Night Logged on yesterday @ Yesterday, 02:25 PM

 

He clearly had time to return to the forum.

 

Not sure there any excuse for this. Other than the obvious "the mods don't care enough about rube opinions"

 

 

Alright. That gives me more peace of mind.
I'll wait, then.

 

For now.

[Flame Dragon]

Night has posted in the mod forum. Just wait a bit longer.

[LordCowCowCowCowCowCowCowCow]

First, White, next time you double post imma give you warning points cause damn dude I have to merge so many of your double posts.

 

Second, Night has promised to do the official thing by the weekend which is like...tomorrow/next day. Figured it'd be good to let him do that since I did say within a couple weeks.

[Phantom Roxas]

To prevent any further issues from coming in this thread, would it be safe to say that we can wait until Monday for an official announcement? If Night is going to make a formal announcement, that's fine, I'm just hoping that if it is going to happen, no one is pressing for it every second. Asking people to wait until Monday shouldn't be too much.

[Phantom Roxas]

Just want to get this out of the way now. Night doesn't seem to have been online since Thursday. While Flame Dragon did say that Night posted in the mod forum, the weekend has come and gone, and it does not seem that he has made an official statement. Could we possibly have an update on the current situation?

[Flame Dragon]

Night has not said anything since his post.

 

I had said in the mod forum I was giving Night until the end of the month to say what ever it is he wish to say before demodding him (this was before his post). This has not changed. By months end he will be demodded regardless of what he does on his end.

[Phantom Roxas]

Night has not said anything since his post.

 

I had said in the mod forum I was giving Night until the end of the month to say what ever it is he wish to say before demodding him (this was before his post). This has not changed. By months end he will be demodded regardless of what he does on his end.

 

Thank you, this sounds fairly reasonable. If the condition was that he would be demodded at the end of the month, then I see no reason to change that, though I just want to be sure he understands that this is the case, even if he did not follow up on his previous post.

 

While I believe this has already been addressed, I would like to ask for additional reassurance that, unlike the previous time when he was demodded, came back the next day demanding his position, and Evilfusion reinstated him, that a similar scenario will not occur this time. If he is to be demodded by the end of the month, then I hope that this decision will not be reversed.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

If Night wants to actively be a part of the community I'd be open to see him return, but he'd need to start from ground up

[LordCowCowCowCowCowCowCowCow]

Thank you, this sounds fairly reasonable. If the condition was that he would be demodded at the end of the month, then I see no reason to change that, though I just want to be sure he understands that this is the case, even if he did not follow up on his previous post.

 

While I believe this has already been addressed, I would like to ask for additional reassurance that, unlike the previous time when he was demodded, came back the next day demanding his position, and Evilfusion reinstated him, that a similar scenario will not occur this time. If he is to be demodded by the end of the month, then I hope that this decision will not be reversed.

Night doesn't want to come back from what I can tell. And the only way he will become a mod again is if he returns to the community as a whole and spends several months of active time here which I don't think he wants to do either.

 

But trust me. I will become theeeee biggest bastard about reversing the reverse if a reverse happens :D

Also still trying to get that date I set to be a thing. I don't want to not follow through but I do get the flipside...Flame has...infinitely more patience than I do >.>

Which is probably good for the leader.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Night doesn't want to come back from what I can tell. And the only way he will become a mod again is if he returns to the community as a whole and spends several months of active time here which I don't think he wants to do either.

 

But trust me. I will become theeeee biggest bastard about reversing the reverse if a reverse happens :D

Also still trying to get that date I set to be a thing. I don't want to not follow through but I do get the flipside...Flame has...infinitely more patience than I do >.>

Which is probably good for the leader.

And the other two?