Question about Quick Effect Wording

[Raptor_Fan_Heilos]

Hello there, so I'm a bit confused when it comes to quick effect wording. I understand now you use the words (Quick Effect) to show that certain effects can be activated during either players turn, but I do have some questions.

 

1. If the monster has an effect that is on summon, or when they go the grave (ex. If this card is Summoned: Do X, and for the grave: If this card is sent to the GY: Do Y). Do you need to state it's a quick effect for it to activate during either players turn? I don't think you do, but I may be wrong.

 

2. If you have multiple effects, but want to make both hard once per turns, but have one that is a quick effect. Does the wording go like this: If this card is Summoned: You can add one "Synthesis Warrior" monster from your Deck, or GY to your hand. (Quick Effect): You can shuffle this card into your Deck, Special Summon 1 "Synthesis Warrior" monster from your Deck, except for "Synthesis Warrior, Runcia". You can only activate each of the above effects of "Synthesis Warrior, Runcia" once per turn. During your Main Phase, you can Normal Summon 1 "Synthesis Warrior" monster in addition to your Normal Summon/Set. (You can only gain this effect once per turn.)

or this: If this card is Summoned: You can add one "Synthesis Warrior" monster from your Deck, or GY to your hand. Once per turn (Quick Effect): You can shuffle this card into your Deck, Special Summon 1 "Synthesis Warrior" monster from your Deck, except for "Synthesis Warrior, Runcia". You can only activate each of the above effects of "Synthesis Warrior, Runcia" once per turn. During your Main Phase, you can Normal Summon 1 "Synthesis Warrior" monster in addition to your Normal Summon/Set. (You can only gain this effect once per turn.)

 

I want to make it's on summon effect a hard once per turn along with the quick effect to spin itself back into the deck to Special Summon another monster with a different name in the same Archetype. Any advice for quick effect wording?

[Flash Flyer - Sakura]

Yeah, I think I forgot about the on-summon stuff when I initially replied (blame me just gotten up a while before writing that), since that one isn't locked to your own turn. As for second one, I usually just replace "During either player's turn" with Quick Effect like Terrie noted on Discord a good while ago. 

 

(But just as a sidenote, if you have further questions about OCG, just use the thread for it in Advanced. Q&A is supposed to be more for general site stuff.)

[Flash Flyer - Sakura]

1. If I remember correctly, yes. Only time you don't is if an effect triggers/applies during Battle Phase.

 

2. The second one, though for the one in parentheses, need to check if you can leave it like this (or you default to "This is a Quick Effect" as another sentence afterwards). 

 

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But then again, there is an OCG help thread in Advanced if you need it [though to be honest, provided we understand the gist of it and looks more/less correct, it's alright if you aren't perfect].

[Darj]

1. Nope, the PSCT is not needed in those cases.

 

2. The first alternative is better, although you got some mistakes there not related to the Quick Effect PSCT:

 

If this card is Summoned: You can add 1 "Synthesis Warrior" monster from your Deck or GY to your hand. (Quick Effect): You can shuffle this card [from where?] into the Deck; Special Summon 1 "Synthesis Warrior" monster from your Deck, except for  "Synthesis Warrior, Runcia". You can only use each of these effects of "Synthesis Warrior, Runcia" once per turn. During your Main Phase, you can Normal Summon 1 "Synthesis Warrior" monster in addition to your Normal Summon/Set. (You can only gain this effect once per turn.)

 

Answering the reply above, when the Quick effect has no other conditions or timings, you can just use (Quick Effect): [insert effect here]. There is an exception, Raidraptor - Satellite Cannon Falcon, which lacks parenthesis, but there are other 2 cards IIRC that do have them so most likely the Raidrapor is the exception here.

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actually sakura got both answers wrong

 

1. No, if it's an effect that activates when that monster is summoned, it's a trigger effect and not a quick effect so you wouldn't label it "quick effect". It will still be able to trigger if you summon it in your opponent's turn, since it an effect that triggers whenever that monster is summoned.

 

2.  the first one is better since you wouldn't but a "Once per turn:" on an effect that also had a HOPT

[Raptor_Fan_Heilos]

Yeah, I think I forgot about the on-summon stuff when I initially replied (blame me just gotten up a while before writing that), since that one isn't locked to your own turn. As for second one, I usually just replace "During either player's turn" with Quick Effect like Terrie noted on Discord a good while ago. 

 

(But just as a sidenote, if you have further questions about OCG, just use the thread for it in Advanced. Q&A is supposed to be more for general site stuff.)

Thanks for the help.

[Raptor_Fan_Heilos]

1. Nope, the PSCT is not needed in those cases.

 

2. The first alternative is better, although you got some mistakes there not related to the Quick Effect PSCT:

 

If this card is Summoned: You can add 1 "Synthesis Warrior" monster from your Deck or GY to your hand. (Quick Effect): You can shuffle this card [from where?] into the Deck; Special Summon 1 "Synthesis Warrior" monster from your Deck, except for  "Synthesis Warrior, Runcia". You can only use each of these effects of "Synthesis Warrior, Runcia" once per turn. During your Main Phase, you can Normal Summon 1 "Synthesis Warrior" monster in addition to your Normal Summon/Set. (You can only gain this effect once per turn.)

 

Answering the reply above, when the Quick effect has no other conditions or timings, you can just use (Quick Effect): [insert effect here]. There is an exception, Raidraptor - Satellite Cannon Falcon, which lacks parenthesis, but there are other 2 cards IIRC that do have them so most likely the Raidrapor is the exception here.

Thanks for the advice, and yeah I just noticed I used one instead of 1, also thanks for the extra PSCT info. Some of it still confuses me at times.

Edit: If I say "You can shuffle this card you control into your Deck" does that fulfill the location requirement?

[Darj]

Yeah, it can be really confusing with the punctuation marks and whatnot. In fact, I don't know if the self-return to the Deck is either a cost or part of the effect, and depending on what it is, the punctuation it's different. If you want it as a cost, then keep the (:), but as an effect, you would have to write it as:

"Return this card into the Deck, and if you do, Special Summon...

[Raptor_Fan_Heilos]

Yeah, it can be really confusing with the punctuation marks and whatnot. In fact, I don't know if the self-return to the Deck is either a cost or part of the effect, and depending on what it is, the punctuation it's different. If you want it as a cost, then keep the (:), but as an effect, you would have to write it as:

"Return this card into the Deck, and if you do, Special Summon...

Ahh i see. It wasn't meant to be a cost. I was meant to just be something you activate, it shuffles into the Deck, then you Special Summon the other one, then a chain can happen.

Edit: I meant that I want the effect to work like this. I declare effect to shuffle back, and that starts the chain, then the shuffle and summon go on one after the other. I still think I'm not explaining this right. Also I thought (;) semi colon was cost, and (:) colon was to show that it's an effect that starts a chain, but doesn't have a cost?

[Darj]

The format is:

[Condition]: [Cost]; [Effect]

For example:

Once per turn: You can discard 1 card; destroy X

If a card is added to your hand: You can target X; destroy it

 

If an effect has no cost or targeting requirement, etc., then you skip the (;):

Once per turn: You can destroy X