Starlit Path [Written]

[Sleepy]

Starlit Path
[Quick-Play Spell]
Target up to 3 monsters in either player's GY; shuffle them into your Deck, and if you do, gain LP by their combined ATK. Then, you can Special Summon 1 "Luminary Token" (LIGHT, Fairy, Level 5, ATK/ 0) with DEF equal to the LP gained. If a player would take battle damage from a battle involving this Token, you gain that much LP instead. While you control the "Luminary Token" your opponent cannot attack, except the "Luminary Token". The "Luminary Token" cannot be used as a material for a Special Summon.

 

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You can gain anywhere from 0 to 15,000 LP.

The main idea is to recycle those 3 monsters and give you a little bit more survival capabilities in the process.

The Token is just meant as a bonus.

 

Thoughts/Comments/Suggestions/Fixes/Etc. all welcomed.

[Darj]

Looks good enough for a casual cards, but it certainly can be better.

For instance, you can be more flexible with the effect by allowing you to recycle 1 LIGHT and 1 DARK without needing specifically 3 targets, or recycle form the opponent's GY as well so you can play it as a D.D. Crow, and allowing you to use the Token as material because, really, even if it gained 15000 DEF, it wouldn't be too impressive IMO as it's basically a "your opponent cannot attack". Or you can make it gin half the LP gained, to be safer.

[Sleepy]

Looks good enough for a casual cards, but it certainly can be better.

For instance, you can be more flexible with the effect by allowing you to recycle 1 LIGHT and 1 DARK without needing specifically 3 targets, or recycle form the opponent's GY as well so you can play it as a D.D. Crow, and allowing you to use the Token as material because, really, even if it gained 15000 DEF, it wouldn't be too impressive IMO as it's basically a "your opponent cannot attack". Or you can make it gin half the LP gained, to be safer.

 

It already doesn't require 3 targets, nor LIGHT/DARK. You can target 1, 2, or 3 monsters from any Attribute for the card.

Though it is the 1 LIGHT + 1 DARK + 1 other = Token bonus.

Or is that not what you meant?

 

Using the opponent's GY is a good idea.

Edited~

 

What do you mean allow it being used as material? xD

[Horu]

Well it says, "Target up to 3 monsters", so this actually gives quite a bit of flexibility. Since the phrase, "up to", implies you CAN choose any amount between 1 and the specified limit.

 

Also, what's stopping me from just packing my deck so it can drop 3 5000 ATK monsters every other turn? Besides, if I ran 3 of these, and activated them at the same time, I could technically get up to a 45000 LP boost with my tokens each getting a 45000 DEF. Switch to attack, activate Sword and Shield and wreck in a single attack.

 

This is coming from someone who smashed an Obelisk with Kuriboh. Hard to pull off but very possible.

[Sleepy]

Well it says, "Target up to 3 monsters", so this actually gives quite a bit of flexibility. Since the phrase, "up to", implies you CAN choose any amount between 1 and the specified limit.

 

Also, what's stopping me from just packing my deck so it can drop 3 5000 ATK monsters every other turn? Besides, if I ran 3 of these, and activated them at the same time, I could technically get up to a 45000 LP boost with my tokens each getting a 45000 DEF. Switch to attack, activate Sword and Shield and wreck in a single attack.

 

Max printed DEF is 3 monsters with 5000 DEF combined for each 15,000 DEF Token. Though yes, you could potentially gain 45000 LP from the total thing. I also just edited it so you can actually use the opponent's GY too.

 

Keep in mind that even if it had 45000 ATK, it attacking won't damage the opponent, it'll only have you transform that battle damage into +LP for you. You might end up with over 100,000 LP, but it won't cause the opponent's LP to go down. ^^"

[Darj]

It already doesn't require 3 targets, nor LIGHT/DARK. You can target 1, 2, or 3 monsters from any Attribute for the card.

Though it is the 1 LIGHT + 1 DARK + 1 other = Token bonus.

Or is that not what you meant?

 

Using the opponent's GY is a good idea.

Edited~

 

What do you mean allow it being used as material? xD

I meant that the way you wrote it, to get the token not only you need 1 LIGHT and 1 DARK, but also a 3rd target.

I mean allowing it to be used as material for a Synchro,Link, etc. Summon.

 

And how are you calculating 45000 DEF? Using 3 copies yes, you would gain 45000 LP, but each Token would still have 15000 DEF since each card would resolve and generate their Tokens separately.

[Sleepy]

I meant that the way you wrote it, to get the token not only you need 1 LIGHT and 1 DARK, but also a 3rd target.

I mean allowing it to be used as material for a Synchro,Link, etc. Summon.

 

And how are you calculating 45000 DEF? Using 3 copies yes, you would gain 45000 LP, but each Token would still have 15000 DEF since each card would resolve and generate their Tokens separately.

 

I'm not calculating 45000 DEF, where did that happen? o.O"

I edited it so you now can use from either player's GY and will always get the token. Though I was hoping for another comment as to not double-post to say that xD

 

I understood what "used as material" meant. What I meant by "What do you mean allow it being used as material? xD " is, why do you want that? The Token would be used for Link laddering every time (or for Synchro, since it's about the only Level 5 Token I can think of). The card can recycle you 3 Links and gives you a monster. That screams "I'm here to help extend your play".

[Horu]

Well, since said token can't be used as material for Fusion, Synchro, Ritual or Xyz Summons, it can still be used as a trubute for something Blue-Eyes. But still wouldn't recommend it.

 

Just think about this for a second. Running 2 of these in a Chaos deck prevents your opponent from attacking. So running this with DNA Surgery, BLS, Primal Seed and Limiter Removal actually becomes overkill to the point that your opponent is trapped in an infinite loop.

[Sleepy]

Well, since said token can't be used as material for Fusion, Synchro, Ritual or Xyz Summons, it can still be used as a trubute for something Blue-Eyes. But still wouldn't recommend it.

 

Just think about this for a second. Running 2 of these in a Chaos deck prevents your opponent from attacking. So running this with DNA Surgery, BLS, Primal Seed and Limiter Removal actually becomes overkill to the point that your opponent is trapped in an infinite loop.

 

Primal Seed loop would also require something like Macro Cosmos out or else Primal Seed will wind up in the GY, and a second Primal Seed won't be able to get it. Not to mention Primal Seed is currently (and probably permanently) limited to 1 so the combo is not possible anymore. 

Although even if done, Primal Seed loop with Limiter Removal is gonna be just as overkill no matter what monsters you are boosting. 

 

The Token actually can be Tributed for a Ritual Summon (and a Tribute Summon, and Tributed by/for effects). Ritual Summoning doesn't use materials, it uses Tributes. 

Fusions, Synchros, Xyzs, and Links are the ones that use the term materials.

[Horu]

Primal Seed loop would also require something like Macro Cosmos out or else Primal Seed will wind up in the GY, and a second Primal Seed won't be able to get it. Not to mention Primal Seed is currently (and probably permanently) limited to 1 so the combo is not possible anymore.

Although even if done, Primal Seed loop with Limiter Removal is gonna be just as overkill no matter what monsters you are boosting.

 

The Token actually can be Tributed for a Ritual Summon (and a Tribute Summon, and Tributed by/for effects). Ritual Summoning doesn't use materials, it uses Tributes.

Fusions, Synchros, Xyzs, and Links are the ones that use the term materials.

Thanks for that explanation. I wonder how this card would actually perform in a BEWD deck I built a while back. It's a meta killer that focuses on shutting down the opponent while bringing out BEWD. It does have alternative monsters that do just as well. The thing I enjoyed about it is that it can move slow like a well oiled machine or can literally run a squash match. Although, the deck is rigged to bring out Blue-Eyes Shining Dragon, it still only happened once in about 50 duels. Although, getting Blue-Eyes Ultimate Dragon while dueling with a full speed ahead mentality, only happened like once out of 10 duels. This is because when giving BEWD plays 100%, you tend to be on a relentless offense and remain on that course until your opponent can either find a way to stall you or put out something bigger.

[Darj]

I'm not calculating 45000 DEF, where did that happen? o.O"

I edited it so you now can use from either player's GY and will always get the token. Though I was hoping for another comment as to not double-post to say that xD

 

I understood what "used as material" meant. What I meant by "What do you mean allow it being used as material? xD " is, why do you want that? The Token would be used for Link laddering every time (or for Synchro, since it's about the only Level 5 Token I can think of). The card can recycle you 3 Links and gives you a monster. That screams "I'm here to help extend your play".

 

The post before you mentioned something about 45000 DEF Tokens.

 

And why not to want that? It's not like it would be overpowering nor anything, embrace the powercreep :v

[Sleepy]

The post before you mentioned something about 45000 DEF Tokens.

 

And why not to want that? It's not like it would be overpowering nor anything, embrace the powercreep :v

 

I can only ask you there to read the post where I plugged that 45k number into. 

The context was me replying to the previous post about the max stats being 5k x 3 = 15,000. Then I said "but even if it was 45,000".

Don't you think it'd be dull to just have a chainable Spell that ruined GY setup, recycled your Firewall and other stuff, gave you enough LP to go Soul Charge for free and still have spare change, and also gave you a Token for the laddering? Though I just realized I forgot to give it a HOPT clause. I gotta go ahead and do that now.

 

 

 

Thanks for that explanation. I wonder how this card would actually perform in a BEWD deck I built a while back. It's a meta killer that focuses on shutting down the opponent while bringing out BEWD. It does have alternative monsters that do just as well. The thing I enjoyed about it is that it can move slow like a well oiled machine or can literally run a squash match. Although, the deck is rigged to bring out Blue-Eyes Shining Dragon, it still only happened once in about 50 duels. Although, getting Blue-Eyes Ultimate Dragon while dueling with a full speed ahead mentality, only happened like once out of 10 duels. This is because when giving BEWD plays 100%, you tend to be on a relentless offense and remain on that course until your opponent can either find a way to stall you or put out something bigger.

 

 

Blue-Eyes Shinning is not easy to bring out. Though 50 duels sounds like a lot = (

Do you use the White Stones of Legend in your Deck?

[Darj]

I can only ask you there to read the post where I plugged that 45k number into. 

The context was me replying to the previous post about the max stats being 5k x 3 = 15,000. Then I said "but even if it was 45,000".

Don't you think it'd be dull to just have a chainable Spell that ruined GY setup, recycled your Firewall and other stuff, gave you enough LP to go Soul Charge for free and still have spare change, and also gave you a Token for the laddering? Though I just realized I forgot to give it a HOPT clause. I gotta go ahead and do that now.

 

Geez, chill. I was referring to Horu's calculation, I just didn't quote it properly.

 

Yeah, hard OPT should be there, although... 2+ Tokens of these in your board wouldn't be too harmless, except for the attack lock (since you must attack the Token, but you cannot because you must also attack the other one). Plus you would need at least 3 monsters to play the 3 copies, or 9 for more LP gain, but getting 9 monsters in the GY only to recycle them doesn't sound feasible.

[Sleepy]

Geez, chill. I was referring to Horu's calculation, I just didn't quote it properly.

 

Yeah, hard OPT should be there, although... 2+ Tokens of these in your board wouldn't be too harmless, except for the attack lock (since you must attack the Token, but you cannot because you must also attack the other one). Plus you would need at least 3 monsters to play the 3 copies, or 9 for more LP gain, but getting 9 monsters in the GY only to recycle them doesn't sound feasible.

 

It wouldn't be only to recycle them. Synchros and Links both are mechanics that naturally could fill in the GY with ease as leftovers from their extending plays. Back in the day, it wasn't hard to claim "I could activate 3 Pots of Avarice turn 1 if it was higher on the list". I've seen people go Linkuriboh/Spider > Some Link 2 like Troymares or something > Firewall/Skulldeat/Barreload/Decode Talker/etc. I've seen combos where the player is left with 2 card Extra Decks in a couple turns.

That's the main reason it only picks up to 3. Otherwise, it'd be more flavorful to be 7.

[Horu]

I can only ask you there to read the post where I plugged that 45k number into.

The context was me replying to the previous post about the max stats being 5k x 3 = 15,000. Then I said "but even if it was 45,000".

Don't you think it'd be dull to just have a chainable Spell that ruined GY setup, recycled your Firewall and other stuff, gave you enough LP to go Soul Charge for free and still have spare change, and also gave you a Token for the laddering? Though I just realized I forgot to give it a HOPT clause. I gotta go ahead and do that now.

 

 

 

 

 

Blue-Eyes Shinning is not easy to bring out. Though 50 duels sounds like a lot = (

Do you use the White Stones of Legend in your Deck?

I ran 3 Stones, 3 Kaibaman and 3 Sea Horse to get BEWD out asap. So yeah, Shining Dragon in real duels, casual or meta, is entirely based on if it reaches your hand before you trample your opponent with either 3 BEWDs or BEUD.

 

My main stem of curiosity comes from how well this card would stack up in BEWD/REBD mix deck as to give it the idea maximum usage possible though.

[Darj]

@@Sleepy Yeah, that's true but I feel at that point the card becomes an overkill card, since it extend plays, but if your plays are interrupted or otherwise don't get a monster in the GY then the card sits dead in your hand. Then again, in this hand trap meta, it's really easy for either player to get a monster in the GY, and this translates to +LP plus a Token to start your Link plays.

 

In the end it's you call. Making it unable to be used as an ED material keeps this card in the casual side, but if you make it usable, I dare say it would be metaworthy.

[Horu]

@@Sleepy Yeah, that's true but I feel at that point the card becomes an overkill card, since it extend plays, but if your plays are interrupted or otherwise don't get a monster in the GY then the card sits dead in your hand. Then again, in this hand trap meta, it's really easy for either player to get a monster in the GY, and this translates to +LP plus a Token to start your Link plays.

 

In the end it's you call. Making it unable to be used as an ED material keeps this card in the casual side, but if you make it usable, I dare say it would be metaworthy.

Cards of Consonance puts a dragon in grave for a +2 draw. I usually run 3 of those in BEWD deck. So Stone never has to touch the field and I get a free BEWD with my +2. This card would allow me to mix those 3 Stones back into the deck and when they were sent to grave, I could pull 3 Alternative Dragons or any other monster that can be treated as BEWD.