.Rooster Posted January 12, 2018 Report Share Posted January 12, 2018 President Trump grew frustrated with lawmakers Thursday in the Oval Office when they discussed protecting immigrants from Haiti, El Salvador and African countries as part of a bipartisan immigration deal, according to several people briefed on the meeting. “Why are we having all these people from shithole countries come here?” Trump said, according to these people, referring to countries mentioned by the lawmakers. Trump then suggested that the United States should instead bring more people from countries such as Norway, whose prime minister he met with Wednesday. The president, according to a White House official, also suggested he would be open to more immigrants from Asian countries because he felt they help the United States economically. https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-attacks-protections-for-immigrants-from-shithole-countries-in-oval-office-meeting/2018/01/11/bfc0725c-f711-11e7-91af-31ac729add94_story.html lmao savage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tentacruel Posted January 12, 2018 Report Share Posted January 12, 2018 I mean in a way, he's right, the state of those countries is really shitty and those people should be helped, but he didn't mean it that way and he's a massive racist jerk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom Roxas Posted January 12, 2018 Report Share Posted January 12, 2018 No, it's not "savage". It's not funny, or worth laughing it. Trump is purposefully being racist towards those people to further justify his blatant xenophobia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Rooster Posted January 12, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 12, 2018 No, it's not "savage". It's not funny, or worth laughing it. Trump is purposefully being racist towards those people to further justify his blatant xenophobia. how's he being racist? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mido9 Posted January 12, 2018 Report Share Posted January 12, 2018 No, it's not "savage". It's not funny, or worth laughing it. Trump is purposefully being racist towards those people to further justify his blatant xenophobia.It's not racist, at all. He didn't say they were bad because "hurr durr they have negroes", they just are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom Roxas Posted January 12, 2018 Report Share Posted January 12, 2018 how's he being racist? From the article that you yourself linked:“Why do we need more Haitians?” Trump said, according to people familiar with the meeting. “Take them out.”He's criticizing the countries to incite hatred against the people from those countries, and is explicitly saying to leave people out of deal. He wants laws to be structured to explicitly leave out people from certain cultures, which is pretty racist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dad Posted January 12, 2018 Report Share Posted January 12, 2018 Roxas is referring to Trump's willingness to accept immigrants from Norway (a European predominantly white country) compared to those of Africa (and who the president deems these people still live in huts and all have aids). Because the latter statement is an ignorant oversight and blatantly false, and the former is ironic because Norway is a country with more socialist programs which the president does not like, it appears as favoritism and racism. I'm not sure how this was missed considering the president actually said these things, but this post is for clarity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halubaris Maphotika Posted January 12, 2018 Report Share Posted January 12, 2018 Trump ain't racist, but what he said was very racist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom Roxas Posted January 12, 2018 Report Share Posted January 12, 2018 Trump ain't racist, but what he said was very racist. The problem is that what he said fits with his recurring habit of saying racist things. This is the norm, not the exception for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halubaris Maphotika Posted January 12, 2018 Report Share Posted January 12, 2018 The problem is that what he said fits with his recurring habit of saying racist things. This is the norm, not the exception for him.You can say racist things and not be a racist, just as you do say racist things and are a racist. I truly do not believe Trump is a racist. Just a dick/idiot/opportunistic jacka$$ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tentacruel Posted January 12, 2018 Report Share Posted January 12, 2018 I'm okay with not dismissing people as being racists, as it's too all encompassing and dehumanizing, which is the problem with racism itself. That being said, I'd find it hard to believe that Donald Trump carries no racism in his heart. He says racist things a lot and I mean a lot. He has a very harmful lack of empathy towards these countries and that is not okay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted January 12, 2018 Report Share Posted January 12, 2018 Why would you want people from sheet hole counties coming here? My only point of disagreement is that Norway is also an shitholeI'm okay with not dismissing people as being racists, as it's too all encompassing and dehumanizing, which is the problem with racism itself. That being said, I'd find it hard to believe that Donald Trump carries no racism in his heart. He says racist things a lot and I mean a lot. He has a very harmful lack of empathy towards these countries and that is not okay.SourceWe have enough problems at home without crying about every country that's a mess. Resources. Are. Scarce Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dad Posted January 12, 2018 Report Share Posted January 12, 2018 Why would you want people from sheet hole counties coming here? My only point of disagreement is that Norway is also an shithole SourceWe have enough problems at home without crying about every country that's a mess. Resources. Are. Scarce Most of the things he's said over the course of his presidency. For some reason, he believes Africans are still savages who live in huts. He also believes that all Haitians have aids. These are things he's said. Here are some sample articles but there are plenty of resources out there. http://www.newsweek.com/trump-haitians-aids-nigerians-live-huts-oval-office-new-york-times-report-758000https://www.axios.com/report-trump-said-haitian-immigrants-all-have-aids-1515110820-4d6f7da4-ca7a-4e01-9329-7f25b49e709c.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted January 12, 2018 Report Share Posted January 12, 2018 Most of the things he's said over the course of his presidency. For some reason, he believes Africans are still savages who live in huts. He also believes that all Haitians have aids. These are things he's said. Here are some sample articles but there are plenty of resources out there. http://www.newsweek.com/trump-haitians-aids-nigerians-live-huts-oval-office-new-york-times-report-758000https://www.axios.com/report-trump-said-haitian-immigrants-all-have-aids-1515110820-4d6f7da4-ca7a-4e01-9329-7f25b49e709c.htmlWell then link them instead of posting two articles about the same anonymous story that's was denied? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snatch Steal Posted January 12, 2018 Report Share Posted January 12, 2018 Nope. Not doing this. If you want my explanation, PM me. I spent an hour on the topic so it's rather long and detailed, but I'm not getting banned again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dad Posted January 12, 2018 Report Share Posted January 12, 2018 Well then link them instead of posting two articles about the same anonymous story that's was denied? Sure. Denying something doesn't make it false, however. You can deny you don't breathe oxygen but that doesn't suddenly make your claim true. RE: Haitians have aids. https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-immigrants-shithole-countries_us_5a57db94e4b04df054f757a0https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/01/trump-shithole-remarks-spur-international-anger-180112084723204.htmlhttps://www.vox.com/2018/1/11/16880750/trump-immigrants-shithole-countries-norwayhttps://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/11/us/politics/trump-shithole-countries.htmlhttps://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2018/01/11/trumps-shithole-comment-about-haiti-lends-credence-to-report-that-he-said-its-residents-all-have-aids/?utm_term=.082356312b50 It's referenced in each of those articles if you simply read them. RE: Nigerian's live in huts. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/12/world/africa/africa-trump-shithole.htmlhttps://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/trump-referred-haiti-african-countries-shithole-nations-n836946https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2018/01/11/trumps-history-of-controversial-remarks-about-nonwhite-immigrants/?utm_term=.ad4de24178e5https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2017/12/an-angry-trump-reportedly-said-haitian-immigrants-all-have-aids-nigerians-live-in-huts.htmlhttp://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/trump-reportedly-haitians-aids-nigerians-huts-article-1.3717535http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2018/01/donald-trump-complained-too-many-immigrants-come-from-shithole-countries-reports-say/http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-reportedly-said-haitians-have-aids-nigerians-live-in-huts-in-immigration-outburst-2017-12 Also referenced in each article. Have a read of it yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted January 12, 2018 Report Share Posted January 12, 2018 NYT started the story, and then every other source reported If you say you saw a unicorn, and ten people report that you say you saw a unicorn. 11 people did not see a unicorn There's a sheet of generals in the room lying then and willing to put a name to their denial. NYT and it's source aren't Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dad Posted January 12, 2018 Report Share Posted January 12, 2018 NYT started the story, and then every other source reported If you say you saw a unicorn, and ten people report that you say you saw a unicorn. 11 people did not see a unicorn There's a sheet of generals in the room lying then and willing to put a name to their denial. NYT and it's source aren't LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mido9 Posted January 12, 2018 Report Share Posted January 12, 2018 Sure. Denying something doesn't make it false, however. You can deny you don't breathe oxygen but that doesn't suddenly make your claim true. RE: Haitians have aids. https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-immigrants-shithole-countries_us_5a57db94e4b04df054f757a0https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/01/trump-shithole-remarks-spur-international-anger-180112084723204.htmlhttps://www.vox.com/2018/1/11/16880750/trump-immigrants-shithole-countries-norwayhttps://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/11/us/politics/trump-shithole-countries.htmlhttps://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2018/01/11/trumps-shithole-comment-about-haiti-lends-credence-to-report-that-he-said-its-residents-all-have-aids/?utm_term=.082356312b50 It's referenced in each of those articles if you simply read them. RE: Nigerian's live in huts. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/12/world/africa/africa-trump-shithole.htmlhttps://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/trump-referred-haiti-african-countries-shithole-nations-n836946https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2018/01/11/trumps-history-of-controversial-remarks-about-nonwhite-immigrants/?utm_term=.ad4de24178e5https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2017/12/an-angry-trump-reportedly-said-haitian-immigrants-all-have-aids-nigerians-live-in-huts.htmlhttp://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/trump-reportedly-haitians-aids-nigerians-huts-article-1.3717535http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2018/01/donald-trump-complained-too-many-immigrants-come-from-shithole-countries-reports-say/http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-reportedly-said-haitians-have-aids-nigerians-live-in-huts-in-immigration-outburst-2017-12 Also referenced in each article. Have a read of it yourself.Those all reference the same report which can't be proved or anything, which is just "he said she said", it's not a credible source. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted January 12, 2018 Report Share Posted January 12, 2018 Those all reference the same report which can't be proved or anything, which is just "he said she said", it's not a credible source.Yeh that's pretty much my point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dad Posted January 12, 2018 Report Share Posted January 12, 2018 Those all reference the same report which can't be proved or anything, which is just "he said she said", it's not a credible source. The entirety of the argument was refuted because "he said she said" by "he said she said". You think when something comes out of the White House by the press and every news station and outlet across the country reference it, it's suddenly "he said she said"? If that's indeed true, then why should we believe anything that comes out of the White House? At all? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mido9 Posted January 12, 2018 Report Share Posted January 12, 2018 The entirety of the argument was refuted because "he said she said" by "he said she said". You think when something comes out of the White House by the press and every news station and outlet across the country reference it, it's suddenly "he said she said"? If that's indeed true, then why should we believe anything that comes out of the White House? At all?Because those can be proven through videotape or audio recording or etc, here it's not only not taped or multiple sources saying he said it, it's one source with many others commenting on the story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted January 13, 2018 Report Share Posted January 13, 2018 The entirety of the argument was refuted because "he said she said" by "he said she said". You think when something comes out of the White House by the press and every news station and outlet across the country reference it, it's suddenly "he said she said"? If that's indeed true, then why should we believe anything that comes out of the White House? At all?Because one group of people put their names to it, and the other didn't? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dad Posted January 13, 2018 Report Share Posted January 13, 2018 Because one group of people put their names to it, and the other didn't? You mean someone other than the reporters? Are we so readily discrediting reporters that everything they say is fake? Is that how far into the rabbit hole y'all have your heads? Anytime, and I mean anytime, Trump has been discredited, it's been "a bad source" or "fake news" cuz the White House said so. That's pretty disingenuous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted January 13, 2018 Report Share Posted January 13, 2018 You mean someone other than the reporters? Are we so readily discrediting reporters that everything they say is fake? Is that how far into the rabbit hole y'all have your heads? Anytime, and I mean anytime, Trump has been discredited, it's been "a bad source" or "fake news" cuz the White House said so. That's pretty disingenuous.>Candidate Trump told Flynn to contact and get the Russian to pose a unified front on sanctions and Israel >Stock Market Drops 300 points, billions of US wealth lost >Correction, president elect trump Oh ok >Trump tells CDC to remove "science" and other words from their report https://www.snopes.com/2017/12/15/trump-administration-bans-cdc-officials-using-certain-words/ >I want to assure you there are no banned words at CDC. We will continue to talk about all our important public health programs. — Dr Brenda Fitzgerald (@CDCDirector) Oh ok Yeah I'm not buying anon sources from people who don't have the stones to put their names to what they wanna put out They've repeatedly made a mockery of themselves in the recent year, and these are only the two that impacted me personally in the last month Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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