"I Will Survive", the Zootopia anti-abortion comic

[SkaterTheDJWolf]

"I Will Survive" is a Zootopia comic carrying a very heavy anti-abortion theme. Due to this, it has been memed a lot. I don't have a lot of information besides that, other than that Judy represents pro-abortion and Nick represents pro-life.

 

So, what are your thoughts and opinions on this comic and not just abortion in general? I really don't have an opinion about this, I'm just starting the discussion, although I really wish the author hadn't picked Zootopia as the deliverance method for their opinion on this sort of subject matter.

 

 

[Dad]

A few things:

 

We have had an abortion discussion in the past.  It didn't end well.  Due to the nature of the topic in general, I will ask that this thread remains as a discussion as to the political nature of the comic, and not abortion as a whole.  If you can all keep that in mind, I'll see about reviving the abortion thread (starting a new one).

 

In addition, please do not post any risky or NSFW images from the comic.  You will be punished for it.

 

As always, keep the discussion civil.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Judy: "I've made up my mind and decided to not give you any choice in the matter, now listen to my demands" is pretty much how things work

 

Glad he left

[Flash Flyer - Sakura]

I mean, the Zootopia Discord banned discussion of that comic literally because it dealt with abortion and people are heavily divided on the matter. (I'm technically on it, but lurking; that's how I know about this. Here's the announcement.) 
 

 
(I'm looking over the comic again, but I didn't see anything suspicious. Most is either Judy slashing Nick in the heat of the moment due to clashing ideals and a scene of Nick getting out of shower [with a towel so you don't see the other stuff].)
 
But then again, Zootopia did delve into a bunch of political issues at its core (or ones that we face on a daily basis), so it shouldn't be too much of a surprise that this got brought up here. Maybe more extreme than one would've liked in this case, but yeah. 
 
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Considering how much I'm into the series and the above note about Zootopia touching on recurring issues in this country, I'm not bothered by the content matter or the fact they brought it up in the first place; eventually someone would do it. And yeah, there are those who see them in a more intimate relationship than just friends.
 
Did it draw a firestorm and political jokes/memes? Yeah, that's why said Discord banned mentioning it for an indefinite time period. I don't know how bad because as I said, I literally just lurk there and didn't see the extent of it. Nor have I even bothered to Google search them. 

 

Did people complain about it? Of course, some got riled up about the content matter itself; a few complaints about Judy and Nick breaking their established personalities from the movie or the writing itself.

 

A few did say this should've been done with two OC characters instead. 

 

My personal thoughts? I mean, Judy is understandably worried about the consequences on her body and career, since yeah, being a cop isn't easy and going into uncharted waters with a cross-species.

 

I don't think the offspring would've turned out that bad (as I've seen a lot of fanart in which they DID have kids and they just took traits from both parents / looked normal). Was the lashing out uncalled for? Yes, but it was in the heat of the moment and she did apologize afterwards. 

 

As with Nick, I can understand his feelings about wanting to give his unborn child a chance, though at the same time, he should've at least been aware of potential dangers on his own, even if Judy was naïve about it herself. And yeah, consider how she feels with all circumstances considered.

 

Comic end is left vague, so we're left to wonder if they do reconcile or that's the end of their friendship. 

 

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But that being said, reiterating Dad's reminder of not turning this into a repeat of the Abortion thread and don't bash each other for opinions on this comic. 

[Snatch Steal]

It’s very well written, true to the characters, and dramatic enough to keep me reading until the end. If readers are so jaded by such a subtle agenda then imagine their reaction to Animal Farm.

 

Judy’s arguments rivaled Nick’s to the point where neither of them were a hero or villain, but instead simply uncooperative and tragically unable to come to compromise. Although Judy is a flawed character in her resistance to change, Nick behaves the same way as well. They both act on equal footing, and neither is demonized for their beliefs; rather, the comic makes statements about how conflicting ideals in general can tear apart those who love each other. The final panel highlights this most properly, as it reminds readers that, canonically, Nick and Judy had overcome many difficulties during their film, yet this conflict became so powerful that it made everything that occurred in the film pointless.

 

I agree wholeheartedly with Judy, who was cast into an unfortunate situation by poor luck that compromised her quality of life and only wanted transparency in her remedy of this circumstance. Yet as a perfect tragedy should be orchestrated, Nick cannot comprehend Judy’s position, fails to care for her wellbeing over the non-guaranteed life of her child, and departs, leaving neither party content.

 

All in all, it’s a comic, and if anyone is so sensitive to abortion issues that they think Borba is an avid pro-lifer, they must have some extreme paranoia. We all know what real pro life propaganda looks like, and this professionally drawn and written piece does not fall into that category.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

 

>I won't change my mind

>But let's talk more about this

 

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Bottom line, if you see abortion as murder, which a large portion of the population does. How are you supposed to square that with sticking with someone?

 

Would you date a killer?

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Nick cannot comprehend Judy’s position, fails to care for her wellbeing over the non-guaranteed life of their child, and departs, leaving neither party content.

[Dad]

Toeing the line. Subject matter is relevant though so I'm just wanting you to be cautious.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Toeing the line. Subject matter is relevant though so I'm just wanting you to be cautious.

Well that really is the logic gate isn't it

 

Do you see abortion as murder [Y/N]

 

If yes, can you live with someone who feels no

 

And if no, can you live with someone who feels yes

 

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Strongest Pathos argument Nick could have given in the moment is "nobody says I'm having a fetus"

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Anyway he's writing a squeal that will likely have Nick give in and come back. 

 

Preview. Given the gravestone, we can all guess how this ends

[SkaterTheDJWolf]

I agree wholeheartedly with Judy, who was cast into an unfortunate situation by poor luck that compromised her quality of life and only wanted transparency in her remedy of this circumstance. Yet as a perfect tragedy should be orchestrated, Nick cannot comprehend Judy’s position, fails to care for her wellbeing over the non-guaranteed life of her child, and departs, leaving neither party content.

 

All in all, it’s a comic, and if anyone is so sensitive to abortion issues that they think Borba is an avid pro-lifer, they must have some extreme paranoia.

 

...or just, you know, sadly misinformed about the comic, like I was.

 

You know what they say about assuming, don't you?

 

Trust the Internet to overreact to and make fun of something like this.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Update:

 

https://borba.deviantart.com/journal/Premeditated-Sins-719903934

[vla1ne]

it's a strange argument, while it can be viewed as murder, it also cannot, nick views it as murder because he was strongly attached to his potential child, while judy was worried for her body more than the potential child. as far as it breaking them up, it's an awkward enough topic when you're not the person dealing with it, having to make the choice yourself is even worse. nick may well believe he's in the right, but in order to enforce that feeling, he'd have to force her to have a child that she clearly doesn't want, which would also likely have been more than enough reason for them to break up. it's all well and good to think that the person he's forcing to have his kid may come around to it over time, but it's still something horrible to cause her to deal with it, knowing she isn't ready, and has severe worries over it.  it's a game with no winners. judy as well, she may well want a child, but her own worries, and the potential of said child to be something horrific are still on the table. 

 

standard childbirth is difficult enough, even today some people who wish to be mothers, have bodies that cannot handle the strain of such, so having a child between two different species is a daunting enough task, sure doujins might illustrate cute kids, but genetics is notorious for funking up even proper bloodlines, a fox/rabbit baby could easily come out like an eldritch abomination, or cause severe harm to her body in the womb that would prevent her for doing strenuous work again. nick may object to abortions, but he also likely understands her worries, and that conflict, between considering her a fetus killer, and an intimate understanding that she is not a bad person, is likely what lead him to leaving, if only to take time to get his own feeling in order.

 

props to the author though.