Ryusei the Morning Star Posted December 12, 2017 Report Share Posted December 12, 2017 If this card is sent from the field to the GY: Add 1 monster with 1500 or less DEF from your Deck to your hand, but you cannot activate cards, or the effects of cards, with that name for the rest of this turn. You can only use this effect of "Witch of the Black Forest" once per turn. This is the important part of WOTBF that we need to examine. You cannot use effects of cards you search (like Maxx for example, but it's still a good add) and you cannot activate cards you search (pendulums) What you can do is summon those cards. Witch does not stop inherent special summons. Where am I going with this? Grinder Golem's Token creation is a summon, not an effect http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Grinder_Golem If you search Grinder off Witch, you can summon it as many times as you want Witch is also really easy to field in Grinder Decks because (1) Both Skull and Firewall summon monsters from your hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted December 12, 2017 Report Share Posted December 12, 2017 okay but how are you fielding witch without an NS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted December 12, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 12, 2017 okay but how are you fielding witch without an NSCould be firewall, in my deck it's DMV (For non Josh people who don't know what DMV is) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Best Male 2008 Posted December 12, 2017 Report Share Posted December 12, 2017 okay but how are you fielding witch without an NS You can Pend it out. A hard stretch but you can get Summoner Monk to field and special from deck. You can send Monk to grave and bring it back with Black Garden as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted December 12, 2017 Report Share Posted December 12, 2017 You can Pend it out. A hard stretch but you can get Summoner Monk to field and special from deck. You can send Monk to grave and bring it back with Black Garden as well.You really don't want to be doing Grinder after you pend, because the point of it in Pend decks is the increased consistency Skulldeat offers the mechanic as a whole. It just feels too slow to realistically be valuable. This is a neat find and all, I just don't see any practicality to it. Could be firewall, in my deck it's DMV (For non Josh people who don't know what DMV is)question part 2, how are you using it as a mat without NS or clogging EMZ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted December 12, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 12, 2017 You really don't want to be doing Grinder after you pend, because the point of it in Pend decks is the increased consistency Skulldeat offers the mechanic as a whole. It just feels too slow to realistically be valuable. This is a neat find and all, I just don't see any practicality to it. question part 2, how are you using it as a mat without NS or clogging EMZFull disclosure, the goal of the Grinder play in Dolls is to get hands on Avarice and ideally DMoC, so you can reset your grave (which is now Avarice legit off Deet summon) and then you can summon DMoC with Deet eff or to get my hands on Maxx/Ash/Solemns How do I get Witch to crash? Uh, could be Fusion, could be Synchros, could be Knowledge Also could magical contract Door and give my opp a shaddoll fusion :3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted December 12, 2017 Report Share Posted December 12, 2017 Knowledge is what I missed, that's fair. Still think you'd be better off with Magical Contract Door, but. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Best Male 2008 Posted December 12, 2017 Report Share Posted December 12, 2017 You really don't want to be doing Grinder after you pend, because the point of it in Pend decks is the increased consistency Skulldeat offers the mechanic as a whole. It just feels too slow to realistically be valuable. This is a neat find and all, I just don't see any practicality to it Black Garden, Armageddon Knight and Monk is an old combo I used to do a lot. It can work here but like you said the viability just really isn't there. Can also use Magical Contract Door as much as I dislike it. Edit. Was ninja'd on the door. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted December 12, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 12, 2017 Black Garden, Armageddon Knight and Monk is an old combo I used to do a lot. It can work here but like you said the viability just really isn't there. Can also use Magical Contract Door as much as I dislike it.How are you getting Monk on field? Monk off DMV into something for witch? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted December 12, 2017 Report Share Posted December 12, 2017 Black Garden, Armageddon Knight and Monk is an old combo I used to do a lot. It can work here but like you said the viability just really isn't there. Can also use Magical Contract Door as much as I dislike it.Nah, Black Garden is fair, I just wanted to touch on Pendulum, because it seems like a good idea in theory, it just doesn't really work for why the deck wants Grinder. It's just jumping a little too hard when this card requires outside resources to search a card that has a (technically better) searcher. ayyy ninja'd the contract door edit: I was ninja'd on commenting that i ninja'd the door Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted December 12, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 12, 2017 Nah, Black Garden is fair, I just wanted to touch on Pendulum, because it seems like a good idea in theory, it just doesn't really work for why the deck wants Grinder. It's just jumping a little too hard when this card requires outside resources to search a card that has a (technically better) searcher. ayyy ninja'd the contract door edit: I was ninja'd on commenting that i ninja'd the doorWhy would a post play Deet not be viable? If you haven't use your normal, I don't see why a mulligan and a ceiling bump would be under appreciated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Best Male 2008 Posted December 12, 2017 Report Share Posted December 12, 2017 How are you getting Monk on field? Monk off DMV into something for witch? Black Garden to pop a plant token. Just need a way to get a monster on field and monk in grave through any means. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted December 12, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 12, 2017 Black Garden to pop a plant token. Just need a way to get a monster on field and monk in grave through any means.*cries in Ancient Fairy Dragon* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted December 12, 2017 Report Share Posted December 12, 2017 Why would a post play Deet not be viable? If you haven't use your normal, I don't see why a mulligan and a ceiling bump would be under appreciated The PS is best used as a restock, not a play starter. By renewing the resources you earlier expended, you gain the ability to make more powerful boards. Doing it post-PS is still good if you can, but it's substantially worse than pre-PS, considering the board space required for Grinder to do stuff/the fact that you're running cards aimed at a worst case scenario. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~ P O L A R I S ~ Posted December 12, 2017 Report Share Posted December 12, 2017 This can also search Crimson Nova the Dark Cubic Lord which is an inherent Summon. Unfortunately, wouldn't be able to double attack and burn the turn you get it out, but its immunity and potential for massive beatsticking off Karma and Wave are still there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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