Enguin's Ban

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

I don't remember the ratification process for schedule. I don't remember what my exact feeling were when it was passed. I can only speak to how I feel about right now. And looking at it I don't think it should be a YOU MUST DO THIS EXACTLY LIKE THIS type of thing. It should be a guide. It should be followed most times, but not every time since you have cases between porn and gore and general minor rule breaking.

 

Example:

A member post something saying the Holocaust didn't happen.

I say stop or I will ban you.

They do it again.

I ban them. I don't believe I should be held to 3 days when they broke something in the rules (again being added) and I directly warned them to stop.

They come back and do it again.

Should I ban them 2 weeks? They just got off a ban for doing something they were already banned for.

 

Is this a realistic scenario, no. But Shard's case is similar and that jumped to a permeant ban and that didn't involve porn of gore and you certainly don't think I was out of line for it. If we had had the schedule would you have wanted me to ban him for only 3 days?

Yup. I think you should ban him for a week (which next in line after a day iirc). If shard enguin are motivated enough to come back after a week and a month, and a year to post the same thing they're warned against, there's not really much defense one can mount for them

 

How is this any different than Evil's answer about my ban?

 

"This is actually a very valid point.

 

My answer is "I legitimately have no reason to believe that he will improve his attitude and behavior even after returning from a temporary ban".

 

Because he's shown no sign of improving in the past, I don't see the value of doing this dance with him any further."

 

https://forum.yugiohcardmaker.net/topic/363489-winters-ban/?p=7003814

[Flame Dragon]

Yup. I think you should ban him for a week (which next in line after a day iirc). If shard enguin are motivated enough to come back after a week and a month, and a year to post the same thing they're warned against, there's not really much defense one can mount for them

 

How is this any different than Evil's answer about my ban?

 

"This is actually a very valid point.

 

My answer is "I legitimately have no reason to believe that he will improve his attitude and behavior even after returning from a temporary ban".

 

Because he's shown no sign of improving in the past, I don't see the value of doing this dance with him any further."

 

https://forum.yugiohcardmaker.net/topic/363489-winters-ban/?p=7003814

Note: I've made some edits to the post. Don't think anything significant enough to change how you'd reply, but feel I should note it.

 

If I were to move to change the time table officially would you be against it? In looking it over now I personally think 5 strikes is too slow and it should be more along the lines of 1-2 weeks, 1-3 month, permeant.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

I think 5 strikes is good tbh, a year is a long time. You might be right about 1 week becoming 2 and 1 month becoming 3

 

Permas should be difficult to get

 

Having it be strict is like the only way members can hold you guys accountable

[LordCowCowCowCowCowCowCowCow]

When was Enguin repeatedly told that his comments about jews was unacceptable, and did you guys go through the proper ban schedule?

 

The way giga and I set it up, and the way you ratified it, there should be a week, a day, a month, and a  year ban first. When did those happen?

Excuse you I don't appreciate this.

 

What I do appreciate is that you're working on writing it up, Flame, thanks for that

[Dad]

Excuse you I don't appreciate this.

 

What I do appreciate is that you're working on writing it up, Flame, thanks for that

 

The discussion is proceeding as we speak.  We can hopefully have come to a consensus (with all current active moderators) soon.  No expected date for sure just yet.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Excuse you I don't appreciate this.

 

What I do appreciate is that you're working on writing it up, Flame, thanks for that

Sorry where you involved too Cowcow? Didn't mean to shaft you. Sorry

[LordCowCowCowCowCowCowCowCow]

Sorry where you involved too Cowcow? Didn't mean to shaft you. Sorry

I made the thread and came up with the idea of scaling temp bans :(

You and parenthesis worked on more solid numbers.

[Flame Dragon]

I think 5 strikes is good tbh, a year is a long time. You might be right about 1 week becoming 2 and 1 month becoming 3

 

Permas should be difficult to get

 

Having it be strict is like the only way members can hold you guys accountable

I can understand the appeal of more strikes, but I feel if someone burns 2 strikes the 3rd and 4th are just going to be burnt too. You can only have so much patience and good will before you start thinking someone isn't going to change. I do also get why you personally would be against that kind of mentality, but I do hope you understand why anyone would feel that way. Especially when bans have already been happening.

 

I do agree that perma bans should be hard to get. As I've said I don't like them unless I feel we have no choice. I'd personally say the same can be said of bans and logically that is the next place you will go complain about how we handle things.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

I've usually accepted my bans.

 

You can say a year is superfluous, but at that point you might as well

 

1 day hardly means much, 2 weeks is significant if they want to post. Most people feel 3 months months. When it comes to a year they're either gonna change or not come back. Year is a long time to wait to troll a ygo site

 

I'll critisize your bans if they're wrong. Like in this case. No firm rule was set on perceived anti Semitism, so give that the rules were not spelled out when enguin posted his status. I don't think this situation merits anything more than a rule update/discussion

 

I probs deserved a temp ban. Problem there was mixed signals from Dad and evil confused me how close to the line I was dancing

 

Only bans I've gotten was Nai, which he admitted he was wrong. Roxas bumping me to 10 wp form 9 for some bullshit reason. And the Evil ban. Didn't alt. Didn't really jabroni. Roxas played dirty so I made that known when his position was in doubt.

 

Anything else?

 

Edit: Roxas gave me the 2 pts to put me over 10 for telling someone to "learn to read"

 

This was filed under flaming. Yeah I called him out on that on a few months later.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Enguin shouldn't have been given his week ban, and I've already said that several times as the person who handed it down. I've fessed up to my mistake and let it go, but the mistake of one person who isn't even on the mod team anymore shouldn't be used to reflect what's currently happening with Dae. That said, I'll be wrapping this up by mirroring what Cow said just above; this isn't the place for you two to fight it out, and the topic is actually rather important.

 

Just another example of how egregious the mods where in this case.

 

The ban Enguin got was (1) not even close to related to charges of antisemitism. And the mods who gave it to him admits it was wrongly given.

 

Enguin should in fairness get the same punishment as Dae. He was not a repeated offender as Dad and others tried to paint him as.

 

Let's phrase this another way, Enguin had 0 temp bans before he was perma'd

 

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You might have said it repeatedly Yui, but your old co-workers used the ban you gave and disavowed as a stepping stone to ban Enguin. Like him or not, your actions were complicit in this miscarriage of justice