Thar’s Permaban

[Simping For Hina]

Ppl on YCM need to take care of each other better. We know Thar has certain issues, and we should look out for him

 

Not what happened before sadly

No we shouldn't. We should care for him, but we can't take care of him. We can't look out for him, only show that we are around. YCM isn't a charity case that is going to solve every personal conflict or issue, nor should we been prioritizing to do that. YCM is more like a community where we see each other in passing and consider each other friends, but we don't know what goes on outside of just interacting on the site. And we won't know everyone, nor should we even have to. I like Thar, I miss Thar, but I am have my own issues to worry about and I can't attend to his that they require, if they require more than just a part in everyday interaction. I am here to just shoot sheet, not fix sheet.

 

I mean as in, how much of a priority is that in this discussion, or do others have more trust that he'll absolutely be well?

No one is absolutely well. I don't even know YCM's current atmosphere, but it was a lot of worse when Thar was around. Now, it does seem to be better, so it might be good for him to be around.

[LordCowCowCowCowCowCowCowCow]

See I didn't want to mention it since I don't know Thar VERY well and it felt weird to bring up....But from what I do know I am worried about his own mental health in regards to this place. YCM was NOT good for him for a long time and I wouldn't want to ruin any progress he's had.

[Simping For Hina]

See I didn't want to mention it since I don't know Thar VERY well and it felt weird to bring up....But from what I do know I am worried about his own mental health in regards to this place. YCM was NOT good for him for a long time and I wouldn't want to ruin any progress he's had.

I mean, is that really up to you, though? I assume people are in the same boat as me, hardly talked to Thar since and kind of went on my own little boat. Thar's progress is only progression on his own accord, and he can only go as far as it will take him. I said that YCM's atmosphere has gotten better and Discord has since died out, so things are looking up. YCM also might be good for Thar, and not permitting him would be halting any progression that it could account for.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

I'm a bit more concerned on his potential to fall back. More for his own sake than anything else.

I wouldn't say no without giving it a shot if it came down to it, but. Is this also a concern for everybody else?

I mean as in, how much of a priority is that in this discussion, or do others have more trust that he'll absolutely be well?

 

 

EDIT:

Also, Winter, Crab is technically not banned from what I've seen. He just is gone.

Mr Robert is gone off to his own projects outside of Yugioh's realm.

Yeah I visit his profile a bit, and he's super successful in life as a Indi game dev, but wasn't sure if he could actually log back on for example if he wanted to

 

https://forum.yugiohcardmaker.net/user/9-crabhelmet/

 

(we should just make him super mod to screw with YCMaker if he ever comes back)

[LordCowCowCowCowCowCowCowCow]

Upon thinking about it I think this is one case that I can understand the ban being lifted. However I would want to be sure that it's known this isn't a common thing and that there are most likely not going to be any more beyond that. Bending too far and you snap and all that.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Upon thinking about it I think this is one case that I can understand the ban being lifted. However I would want to be sure that it's known this isn't a common thing and that there are most likely not going to be any more beyond that. Bending too far and you snap and all that.

Not a ton of cases where it's even applicable, as I noted, there have only been like 7 permas in the last 4-5 years that are of note, and of those, 3 are back, 2 don't want to come back. 

[Rodrigo]

Thar reached out to me to relay his wish to come back to the forum to a moderator. Given that I've faced a (deserved not for the original reason but for the follow-up) permaban before, I know how it feels. Now, the whole issue with him is that we bullied him out of his proper state of mind, for over half a decade. Not me necessarily, I may have uttered "shut up thar" no more than twice ever, but we've all done it as a community. He seemed to take it as a joke at first, but naturally it got to him, and drove him to do what he did. I've never been close to him, but we've talked on several ocasions, before and after the perma, and he's always been a very fun guy and not someone who'd ever think about doing something detrimental to the forum. The real problem is, as others have said, that being here might be detrimental to him, but I doubt it. It was mostly a breakdown the way I see it. He loved this place besides the bullying, he had a big account at the time (and we all know it matters even if we keep saying it doesn't) and many, many friends here (shame some of those kept saying "shut up thar" over an over, thinking it was a harmless joke).

 

I've not been active here in almost two years, but I'm always around. And having a member like thar back would make me want to stay more often. Plus, since he's a fellow permabanned member, I sympathize.

 

I'd love to see him back.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Near unanimous support for clemency for thar

 

Could we get this fast tracked mods?

[Simping For Hina]

Now I want to be permabanned just so I can be like Roddy and have him sympathize with me, guy is my favorite on this site. Notice me senpai.

Could we get this fast tracked mods?

There is no rush, calm down. You're too pushy and impatient. It'll happen or something will, let the mods figure their sheet out.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Now I want to be permabanned just so I can be like Roddy and have him sympathize with me, guy is my favorite on this site. Notice me senpai.

There is no rush, calm down. You're too pushy and impatient. It'll happen or something will, let the mods figure their sheet out.

Dragging sheet out is the best way to kill a proposal. 

 

The way to kill a bill in congress is to send it to subcommitte

 

Way to kill reform on YCM is to put out the fire under the mod's feet

[LordCowCowCowCowCowCowCowCow]

Dragging sheet out is the best way to kill a proposal. 

 

The way to kill a bill in congress is to send it to subcommitte

 

Way to kill reform on YCM is to put out the fire under the mod's feet

Trust me, I know a thing or two about dragging sheet out, I host RPs. Believe me in saying I personally will, if it takes too long, poke some sleeping bears.

But it's generally bad to rush things it results in confusion and complaints.

Plus to be honest half a dozen opinions isn't much so it's not like it's a case of "absolute majority".

[Mr. Best Male 2008]

As a member who was permabanned before I feel him for missing the site. I've never met Thar but he seems to have a lot of respect here so I think a trial-run wouldn't be too bad to try.  #bringbacktheboy

[evilfusion]

Dragging sheet out is the best way to kill a proposal. 

 

The way to kill a bill in congress is to send it to subcommitte

 

Way to kill reform on YCM is to put out the fire under the mod's feet

 

Not the intention here.

 

The reason the mods asked for community input is so that they don't just make a decision (in either direction) without knowing what the members think and feel about the situation, as it affects you guys as much as them.

 

...what the hell category am I even in? I always want to say "we" when talking about the mod team. And saying anything else feels weird.

 

Acting too quickly is one of their flaws, remember? They make decisions too quickly, and without proper member input, right? Or something like that? And I don't think the discussion is a strict "vote" (Okay, majority said yes, unban him now). They want to gather a consensus and points offered by both sides. The majority probably will factor in, but the majority saying "yes" doesn't mean the final say will be yes, although it significantly increases the odds.

[~ P O L A R I S ~]

He was going through a bleak time when he posted what he posted, over a year has since passed, and he regrets what he did. I look forward to welcoming Thar back with open arms. 

 

His goal was to be banned forever, and that is how it should be.

 

His goal now is to come back. A split second decision under mental duress should not be how Thar is defined here forever. I appreciate that you think it's for Thar's own good that he remain banned, but that's not what he thinks. I've hardly had any interactions with Thar personally due to being active at different times and sections as well as not using the Discord, so I'm sure you know Thar better than I do, but you can't know Thar better than he knows himself and he thinks he'd be better off here.

 

If you love the guy and truly enjoy his presence a fraction as much as you say you do, let Thar be the judge of whether this is for his own good or not.

 

There is no rush, calm down. You're too pushy and impatient. It'll happen or something will, let the mods figure their sheet out.

 

You, specifically, probably shouldn't be posting in this thread. 

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Not the intention here.

 

The reason the mods asked for community input is so that they don't just make a decision (in either direction) without knowing what the members think and feel about the situation, as it affects you guys as much as them.

 

...what the hell category am I even in? I always want to say "we" when talking about the mod team. And saying anything else feels weird.

 

Acting too quickly is one of their flaws, remember? They make decisions too quickly, and without proper member input, right? Or something like that? And I don't think the discussion is a strict "vote" (Okay, majority said yes, unban him now). They want to gather a consensus and points offered by both sides. The majority probably will factor in, but the majority saying "yes" doesn't mean the final say will be yes, although it significantly increases the odds.

It seems like you guys rush unpopular decisions (like modship choices), and slowroll popular ones (like Thar)

 

Just being honest

[Simping For Hina]

You, specifically, probably shouldn't be posting in this thread.

Elaborate. I am not at fault for Thar's ban. Stop acting like I am. If Thar blames me, cool. I didn't make him do anything.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Elaborate. I am not at fault for Thar's ban. Stop acting like I am. If Thar blames me, cool. I didn't make him do anything.

I thought you were the guy that pushed Getter with Kate....it was the guy who was jabroniing to Black and me about Chaos Emperor Dragon that messed with Thar....or was it you too?

[evilfusion]

It seems like you guys rush unpopular decisions (like modship choices), and slowroll popular ones (like Thar)

 

Just being honest

 

That's a fair assessment, based on past patterns, I'll give you that.

 

But bear in mind that they brought this topic up.

 

It's not quite the same as a member making a thread with a suggestion that the vocal majority seems to like, but the mods are skeptical of, so they debate it until public heat wears off, and then the final embers snuff themselves out, leading the idea to die through inaction. (And do not interpret this as a concession that they do this purposefully. I just concede that this HAPPENS, not that it is the intent)

[Simping For Hina]

I thought you were the guy that pushed Getter with Kate....it was the guy who was jabroniing to Black and me about Chaos Emperor Dragon that messed with Thar....or was it you too?

DDo people actually blame me for Thar and Getter?

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

DDo people actually blame me for Thar and Getter?

Jesus

 

I blame you for Getter, but yeh if you did Thar as well, you're doubly an assprick 

 

I have a rep as the biggest jabroni on this site, and even I don't enjoy going after people with mental struggles and mock them for amusement. If you did it, you're pretty messed up IMO

[Simping For Hina]

I never went after them. I suggested what they could have done to get permabanned when they brought it up. I just said post porn. I am not responsible for any of their breakdowns, nor did I play any role in dramatizing it either. I was there for the events of them and interacted with them.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

That's a fair assessment, based on past patterns, I'll give you that.

 

But bear in mind that they brought this topic up.

 

It's not quite the same as a member making a thread with a suggestion that the vocal majority seems to like, but the mods are skeptical of, so they debate it until public heat wears off, and then the final embers snuff themselves out, leading the idea to die through inaction. (And do not interpret this as a concession that they do this purposefully. I just concede that this HAPPENS, not that it is the intent)

I've noticed this, in Thar's case specifically. I've lost much of any capital I once had, but I remember pushing for clemency for Thar and Getter, and we even had a program where you could make a new acct, but attempts to compound on that just failed. That's why I'm extra focused on this case. Fool me once, ya know

I never went after them. I suggested what they could have done to get permabanned when they brought it up. I just said post porn.

 Yuuji went a step further iirc, if you didn't needle the, good for you. 

 

There's a firm distinction in my eyes between slapping someone that can take it (what I do mostly), and going after people that are already frail. 

 

Still don't think your advice is productive. People do stupid things in a fit of emotion, you should account for that imo

[Simping For Hina]

I'm not going to try and argue this point anymore. I don't see myself at fault and did nothing to cause their meltdown, nor did I recognize their mental state. As far as I am concerned, I am not at fault for anything, except offering the clairvoyance that led them to getting permabanned. They are the ones that took the action to do so, and I have no retribution to deal with the actions they have caused. Their actions are their own and their mental state are their own. I did nothing to throw them at the deep end and I am going to end my statement here. Blame me if you want, but I am not what caused them harm that attributed to everything that led up, and even apart of, their permaban incidents.

[Dad]

Here's what's not gonna happen:  a blame game.

 

Should Thar be able to return and he wants to get some things off his chest, he can decide who gets called out.  Till then, I don't want to see "Thar's ban is your fault" or anything of that nature anymore in this thread, please and thank you.

[~ P O L A R I S ~]

Alright, we'll leave it at that. I'm not going to say I have a comprehensive understanding of what happened and I wasn't there, all I have to go by is what was said since including from Thar himself. I understand that certain people were central to what happened and find it a little disconcerting when they play it off in dry, detached tones as if they had nothing to do with it, but the much bigger picture is Thar's future here.

 

I don't want anyone here banned and I don't want anyone here to face retribution so let's just let this process move forward as it will and hopefully at the end of it Thar will be back and the forum will be the better for it.