Dad Posted September 26, 2017 Report Share Posted September 26, 2017 http://abcnews.go.com/US/man-removes-nazi-swastika-tattoos-friendship/story?id=49496501 Blessing. I love these stories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom Roxas Posted September 26, 2017 Report Share Posted September 26, 2017 Reminds me of Daryl Davis, who befriends KKK members, and then they willingly leave the Klan once they learn to have a more open mind. I'm proud of Tiffany Whittier for helping him to make a positive change, and I applaud Michael Kent for not only being sincere in his change, but also for hoping that his kids will lead better lives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Flyer - Sakura Posted September 26, 2017 Report Share Posted September 26, 2017 This is the kind of America that we should be having; not the racist version we have now that Trump is promoting. Hopefully more like him see the error of their ways and change, but only time will tell. Gotta give the man credit for being able to do it though, and of course, Whittier for setting him straight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vla1ne Posted September 27, 2017 Report Share Posted September 27, 2017 this is the reason i support discussion with opposing views instead of outright conflict. sure, you can't change everybody, but stories like this are what we need more of, instead of stories of attacks over differing viewpoints. there's always the chance that the people you talk to can change their minds, and even if they don't do a full 180, they might just take those first few steps towards your side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tentacruel Posted September 28, 2017 Report Share Posted September 28, 2017 I wish more people were willing to change and more people were willing to give people the chance to change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom Roxas Posted September 28, 2017 Report Share Posted September 28, 2017 I wish more people were willing to change and more people were willing to give people the chance to change. In my experience, people are genuinely confused by even the very concept by the possibility that could be wrong. I know that sounds like a lot of qualifiers, but that is how far their confusion stretches. I'd like to give people the chance to change, but they usually respond with denial over a request for change, as if it's completely unfair that they - and only they - are being asked to change, and they usually demand that the other person changes. Or deflect as if "Well you have your bad points, too!" When I've tried to give people the chance to change, usually they just demand that I change under the pretense that it's an equal amount of give and take between both of us, except I buy into it and bend over backwards wondering what I can do to change myself, all the while the other person actively refuses to make a change, despite claiming that it would be fair if they both changed. Hoping that other people can change just ends up with me being the only one told to change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dad Posted September 28, 2017 Author Report Share Posted September 28, 2017 Statistically speaking, people are more likely to hold more tightly onto their beliefs when you tell them they're wrong. EDIT: Some sources. https://arstechnica.com/science/2014/12/why-do-we-cling-to-beliefs-when-theyre-threatened-by-facts/ https://www.minnpost.com/second-opinion/2010/10/why-people-dont-change-their-minds-even-when-faced-facts https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2017/03/this-article-wont-change-your-mind/519093/ https://qz.com/778767/to-tell-someone-theyre-wrong-first-tell-them-how-theyre-right/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom Roxas Posted September 28, 2017 Report Share Posted September 28, 2017 Statistically speaking, people are more likely to hold more tightly onto their beliefs when you tell them they're wrong. EDIT: Some sources. https://arstechnica.com/science/2014/12/why-do-we-cling-to-beliefs-when-theyre-threatened-by-facts/ https://www.minnpost.com/second-opinion/2010/10/why-people-dont-change-their-minds-even-when-faced-facts https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2017/03/this-article-wont-change-your-mind/519093/ https://qz.com/778767/to-tell-someone-theyre-wrong-first-tell-them-how-theyre-right/ Yeah, this is something I've been learning in therapy. Instead of reaching a compromise, people are going to only become entrenched in where they disagree, which pushes people further away rather than bringing them together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(GigaDrillBreaker) Posted September 28, 2017 Report Share Posted September 28, 2017 Yeah, this is something I've been learning in therapy. Instead of reaching a compromise, people are going to only become entrenched in where they disagree, which pushes people further away rather than bringing them together.Well this is borderline ironic. You seem to be misunderstanding what Dad is saying here. Rather than the goal being to change people to suit what you want, the goal should be mutual understanding. Telling them they have all these "bad points" isn't what this is getting at. This is about showing them a different world view. It isn't a debate, it isn't a fight, it is a discussion. In this thread, the one who is entrenched in their ways is you, due to your own personal experiences. Just because some people responded poorly to you asking them to change rather than valuing their beliefs and helping them to understand your own does not mean everyone is set in stone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom Roxas Posted September 28, 2017 Report Share Posted September 28, 2017 Well this is borderline ironic. You seem to be misunderstanding what Dad is saying here. Rather than the goal being to change people to suit what you want, the goal should be mutual understanding. Telling them they have all these "bad points" isn't what this is getting at. This is about showing them a different world view. It isn't a debate, it isn't a fight, it is a discussion. In this thread, the one who is entrenched in their ways is you, due to your own personal experiences. Just because some people responded poorly to you asking them to change rather than valuing their beliefs and helping them to understand your own does not mean everyone is set in stone. I was talking to Tentacruel about why it can be difficult for people to change. No need for you to pile on the personal attacks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkaterTheDJWolf Posted October 8, 2017 Report Share Posted October 8, 2017 Oh, no, here we go again. Well, time to leave this section alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Flyer - Sakura Posted October 9, 2017 Report Share Posted October 9, 2017 Oh, no, here we go again. Well, time to leave this section alone. It stems from some drama from the past couple months (which you probably have seen people talking about in passing). This is not the normal for this section (least for now) But yeah, if you don't have anything constructive to add to the discussion (or the subject in the opening post), please don't post in the thread. I'll assume that you at least skimmed over the article in the OP at a minimum. (Going to say this while Yui is offline) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkaterTheDJWolf Posted November 5, 2017 Report Share Posted November 5, 2017 Oh, OK! Well, I believe that this story is very inspirational! Stories of change always get me. A change of heart can be good for the soul. I’m saddened to see people having fights about this story. This is exactly the thing we should be avoiding. That said, I find it a bit hard not to fight with people who don’t hold my views, so I suppose this is natural. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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