ENMaker Posted September 18, 2017 Report Share Posted September 18, 2017 http://www.yugioh-card.com/en/limited/ N E W L Y V E R B O T E N Dinomight Knight, the True DracofighterGrandsoil the Elemental LordTrue King Lithosaygm, the DisasterDenglong, First of the Yang ZingBaegusto EmeralZoodiac BroadbullZoodiac Drident N E W L Y L I M I T E D Ignis Heat, the True DracowarriorMiscellaneosaurusZoodiac RatpierDark HoleGateway of the SixInterrupted Kaiju SlumberTrue King's Return N E W L Y S E M I D Black Luster Soldier - Envoy of the BeginningLuster Pendulum, the DracoslayerMathematicianBrionac, Dragon of the Ice BarrierT. G. Get Hyped LibrarianBrain ControlBurial from a Different DimensionEl Shaddoll FusionPreparation of Rites F R E E D Debris DragonHonestRescue CatRescue RabbitSummoner Monkjabroni of the Black ForestCharge of the Light BrigadeDragon RavineWavering Eyes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hallohallo Posted September 18, 2017 Report Share Posted September 18, 2017 I've been waiting for this for so long... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Highlander Posted September 18, 2017 Report Share Posted September 18, 2017 I've been waiting for this so long... Zoo destroyed ... I guess I could repeat that.Finally !!!Dracos punished via the 2 best 1-tribute cards ... unexpected to say the least, though return to 1 and the 2 best 1-tribute monsters down to 1 copy of both hurts a lot.Dino Zing punished before it could rise ... sounds cool.Gateway back ... YES, that was about time (propably to promote shadow sams). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodfusion Posted September 18, 2017 Report Share Posted September 18, 2017 They reprint Evilswarm Exciton Knight but don't unban it. Seems odd, but I hate the card so OH WELL! Also Grand Mole is still at 1. #BounceBackMole Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Posted September 18, 2017 Report Share Posted September 18, 2017 Didn't really expect Daigusto to get the axe. Interesting.I've been wanting Burial from a Different Dimension and Rescue Rabbit to go up for a while so this is nice. There's a ton of cards I would have liked to see back like Tribe infecting Virus, but I guess remembering Summoner Monk was still at 2 and moving up errata unbans is progress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darj Posted September 18, 2017 Report Share Posted September 18, 2017 For real?! with no previous announcement besides the statement among the lines of "next banlist no sooner than September"? Let's see... They are hitting True Dracos and Dinos earlier than OCG did IIRC, while they dropped the hard hits on Zoodiacs already. And unlike OCG, they even hit Ignis Heat, and were more harsh towards Denglong. On the other hand, they didn't move Dragonic Diagram nor Master Peace, something that personally I like because the Diagram is handy as an engine and Master Peace can be a solid tech boss in Cont. Spell/Trap decks.Ban on the EARTH True King, Emeral and even Grandsoil, cards that OCG didn't hit, huh.I find funny that they allow 1 more copy of El Shaddoll Fusion, but without Construct around, I doubt that will help Shadolls much.Rescue Rabbit to 3 finally! xDMonk to 3 looks like an amusing move, too. Doubt it would have an immediate impact, but who knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EHN. Posted September 18, 2017 Report Share Posted September 18, 2017 Gateway to 1 is nice and all just hoping they eventually bring it to 3. ESF @ 2 gives me mixed feelings because they're either teasing Construct return or saying it's never coming back. Draco was dealt with in an interesting way. I guess they really want to let people run the Diagram engine in other decks. It's just weird. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mido9 Posted September 18, 2017 Report Share Posted September 18, 2017 N E W L Y S E M I ' D Black Luster Soldier - Envoy of the BeginningI'm ready to die now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaosix Posted September 18, 2017 Report Share Posted September 18, 2017 Can someone explain? Was Grandsoil seeing play? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Posted September 18, 2017 Report Share Posted September 18, 2017 Can someone explain? Was Grandsoil seeing play? I think there were some loop combos, and otherwise it wasn't really seeing general play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Hyperion Posted September 18, 2017 Report Share Posted September 18, 2017 It seems like wanted to do a complete reset just like they did in the OCG. They hit all the most recent tier 1 decks and killed off the splashable Zoo engine, but they somehow completely missed Toadally Awsome or the Paleozoic deck in general while also limiting the only easy outs to it. This list is still garbage.Get your Twin Twisters and Heavy Dust Tornados ready and pray to god you actually draw them before they drop their frog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draconus297 Posted September 18, 2017 Report Share Posted September 18, 2017 I forget, is Shekhinaga banned? If not . . . Dollblade here we go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EHN. Posted September 18, 2017 Report Share Posted September 18, 2017 It seems like wanted to do a complete reset just like they did in the OCG. They hit all the most recent tier 1 decks and killed off the splashable Zoo engine, but they somehow completely missed Toadally Awsome or the Paleozoic deck in general while also limiting the only easy outs to it. This list is still garbage.Get your Twin Twisters and Heavy Dust Tornados ready and pray to god you actually draw them before they drop their frog. Paleo is definitely not going to be tier 1 lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragulas Posted September 18, 2017 Report Share Posted September 18, 2017 Banned Dinomight Knight, the True Dracofighter - Interesting way to adress true dracos, still master peace should ve been at least limited, it will be eventually as well.Grandsoil the Elemental Lord - Loops i guess(?)True King Lithosaygm, the Disaster - Out of all things you could hit from Dinos you hit this even limiting the card could ve been enoughDenglong, First of the Yang Zing - Adressing Dinos the way OCG did it would ve let this stay in the game at least limited, still interesting pickBaegusto Emeral - With this banned, just limit all Zoo ED and watch them burn all their resources in 1 turn get their board wiped and quit (combo and avarice exist i know, but it would ve been intersting to see). I hate when cards like this have to pay because other decks abusing it. We still have no avarice Zoodiac BroadbullZoodiac Drident - Zoo have to die, bye, problem is with barrage you will still live. Limited Ignis Heat, the True Dracowarrior - I guess they are now forced to play the "Bad" true dracosMiscellaneosaurus - Adressed in the wrong direction, oviraptor was the one to be hitZoodiac Ratpier - Zoo have to die byeDark Hole - Too much board wipingGateway of the Six - I will have nightmares with this, but it was time for it to come backInterrupted Kaiju Slumber - Same reasoning as dark hole plus this is betterTrue King's Return - Not sure if this was the card (or the only of their spells and traps) that shouls ve been hit SEMI Black Luster Soldier - Envoy of the Beginning - And we still have no CED in TCG Luster Pendulum, the Dracoslayer - Nice to have it backMathematician - About TimeBrionac, Dragon of the Ice Barrier - Will go to 3 eventuallyT. G. Get Hyped Librarian - Regardless of being limited by link monsters this should stay at 1Brain Control - Errata, mind control is far better this formatBurial from a Different Dimension - About timeEl Shaddoll Fusion - Without construct wont do a thingPreparation of Rites - Nice F R E E D Debris DragonHonestRescue CatRescue RabbitSummoner Monkb**** of the Black ForestCharge of the Light BrigadeDragon RavineWavering Eyes I understand Diagram not being hit so it could be used as an engine for other decks, but master piece should ve been at least limited. True dracos still have card 3 card of demise. As always the TCG list seem to adress the problem in the wrong direction, but its a start. ABC will be on the next banlist, cant stay that long either. Overall a decent list but with couple of disagreements (as always, no list is perfect). One more thing is that aside from miscellaneosaurs, dinos are now gona play the way they were supposed to play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darj Posted September 18, 2017 Report Share Posted September 18, 2017 It seems like wanted to do a complete reset just like they did in the OCG. They hit all the most recent tier 1 decks and killed off the splashable Zoo engine, but they somehow completely missed Toadally Awsome or the Paleozoic deck in general while also limiting the only easy outs to it. This list is still garbage.Get your Twin Twisters and Heavy Dust Tornados ready and pray to god you actually draw them before they drop their frog. Well, unlike OCG, they didn't drop any hit on Zoodiac Barrage so at least they can still be played as an engine of some sort xDAlso AFAIK, Paleozoics, and Infernoids for that matter, stopped being a tier 1 threat once Lawnmowing/Greener Grass was Limited in TCG. IDK if they will make a comeback after this banlist, though. I suspect True Dracos may remain relatively strong after the hits; that or variants with Invoked, Spellbook and/or Windwitch that emerged in OCG may rise in TCG too. Shekhinaga isn't in the banlist, by the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(GigaDrillBreaker) Posted September 18, 2017 Report Share Posted September 18, 2017 Without broadbull or even drident, I see no real reason to play barrage. It just seems like a worse diagram. Luster semi is hype. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~ P O L A R I S ~ Posted September 18, 2017 Report Share Posted September 18, 2017 Thanks Konami, YGO should be fun until CIBR drops in a month. Can someone explain? Was Grandsoil seeing play? Yup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darj Posted September 18, 2017 Report Share Posted September 18, 2017 Barrage can still be played as a destruction engine and/or Unexpected Dai in that it gives you a monster without spending the Normal Summon, and can turn into 2 monsters through Chakanine for extra monster fodder or for a Link2 or whatever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(GigaDrillBreaker) Posted September 18, 2017 Report Share Posted September 18, 2017 Barrage can still be played as a destruction engine and/or Unexpected Dai in that it gives you a monster without spending the Normal Summon, and can turn into 2 monsters through Chakanine for extra monster fodder or for a Link2 or whatever.I might have missed something, so correct me if I did, but how do you plan to use Chakanine's effect? With only 1 ratpier, you can't gain a detach effect from a material, and with broadbull and drident both banned, you can't use a different xyz to detach before summoning chakanine on top. If summoning missus off of just barrage is a thing, that sounds great, but I'm pretty certain it just can't be done. As for destruction engine, diagram is better. As for the dai point, people don't just run dai for a monster. They use it to take advantage of other synergies like Brifu or Link Spider. I don't see similar advantages from this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted September 18, 2017 Report Share Posted September 18, 2017 List is overall good. Dinos as an engine and Dracos will still be best decks until CIBR. Zoo got ruined, sadly.At least Barrage is a better "Unexpected Dai" card than we had...? No real excuse for Diagram living. Master Peace doesn't mean much, but sacrificing Litho (who was an innocent goodstuff) to keep Diagram is just dumb. That card will show up again.1 Gateway alone isn't enough to sell sams, but Diagram staying at 3 is good for them. Mariamune is good in that deck. Grandsoil and Emeral got axed due to Firewall. Denglong deserved it. Miscellosaur is a slap on the wrist, though Litho is a more legit hit to Dino. Still Diagram/Raptor's fault. Dark Hole and Kaiju Slumber limits are good, though I'd rather have 2 Dark Hole 0 Slumber. BLS doesn't matter. Wavering and Luster to 3/2 respectively is neat, but that only really boosts Zarc and lolDinomist for now. It'll buff others once we get Odd-Eyes Revolution, but that's probably a year or more away for TCG. Mathman and Brio fine. Librarian is funking spooky, but any loops won't be their fault anyway, and it sells Synchro in Link Format a little better by giving you a lot of rewards for pushing through. BC eh Burial to 2 is funking great. Boosts Shiranui Vendread, because you can now run 2 copies instead of just 1, which felt really sacky and not super worth it before. And hopefully won't banish both copies. ElFusion doesn't matter without construct. Prep is spoopy, but I'm willing to give it a shot. Summonk is only remotely an option for Shiranui, and even then eh, so w/e. Debris is fine. Honest is annoying, but fine. Won't be realistically running more than 1 modern day, anyway, due to "Searchability" via Ties of the Brethren is counter fairy memes. I still don't trust Cat, but w/e, push the rescue archetype. Rabbit spoops me, but almost 100% fine. Just personal spoop. who cares about witch, sangan is better who cares about cotlb, LS are gonna do LS sheet anyway Ravine won't be maxed anyway, outside of decks that really needed it to work, so that's fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notcleverusername Posted September 18, 2017 Report Share Posted September 18, 2017 Paleos aren't even that good ror I understand Diagram not being hit so it could be used as an engine for other decks, but master piece should ve been at least limited. True dracos still have card 3 card of demise. As always the TCG list seem to adress the problem in the wrong direction, but its a start. ABC will be on the bext banlist.Zoo are dead. Barrage doesn't actually summon anything besides what is essentially a vanilla level/rank 4 EARTH Beast-Warrior, which, granted, still has some great utility, but that's not something you build a standalone deck on.ABC getting hit is about as likely as Paleo getting hit, that is, they're not even good why u hatin Diagram hella better than Master Peace but glad I get to keep some degenerate meemsEmeral and Denglong hits are v sad for me on that end Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darj Posted September 18, 2017 Report Share Posted September 18, 2017 I might have missed something, so correct me if I did, but how do you plan to use Chakanine's effect? With only 1 ratpier, you can't gain a detach effect from a material, and with broadbull and drident both banned, you can't use a different xyz to detach before summoning chakanine on top. If summoning missus off of just barrage is a thing, that sounds great, but I'm pretty certain it just can't be done. As for destruction engine, diagram is better. As for the dai point, people don't just run dai for a monster. They use it to take advantage of other synergies like Brifu or Link Spider. I don't see similar advantages from this. Hmm... you are right, you can't use Chakanine's effect right away since you require a target in grave to activate the effect in the first place. The main edge I see in Barrage is that is both a destruction engine and a Dai; so even if you don't draw into your combo pieces, at the very least it can be played as a Dai as backup or open other plays. Diagram on the other hand benefits from Field support, but if you don't have a card that wants to be destroyed at hand, then either it's dead or you resort to destroying a card that doesn't want to.As I see it, Barrage and Diagram offer different things, but I do get how Diagram may be more desirable due to its searchability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Highlander Posted September 18, 2017 Report Share Posted September 18, 2017 Hmm... you are right, you can't use Chakanine's effect right away since you require a target in grave to activate the effect in the first place. The main edge I see in Barrage is that is both a destruction engine and a Dai; so even if you don't draw into your combo pieces, at the very least it can be played as a Dai as backup or open other plays. Diagram on the other hand benefits from Field support, but if you don't have a card that wants to be destroyed at hand, then either it's dead or you resort to destroying a card that doesn't want to.As I see it, Barrage and Diagram offer different things, but I do get how Diagram may be more desirable due to its searchability.You can still use thoroughblade to get a zoodiac in your graveyard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(GigaDrillBreaker) Posted September 18, 2017 Report Share Posted September 18, 2017 You can still use thoroughblade to get a zoodiac in your graveyard.While technically true, this completely missed my point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Highlander Posted September 18, 2017 Report Share Posted September 18, 2017 While technically true, this completely missed my point.I never denied Zoo leaving little reason to run them anymore, so there is no reason for me to deny it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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