Welcome to the GY (RAM Clouder)

[ABC Gun]

​CAN KONAMI PLEASE STOP CHANGING GAME TERMINOLOGY EVERYTIME WE GET A NEW SERIES!? Seriously, this is ridiculous, why is the Graveyard now called the GY (http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/RAM_Clouder). Honestly, between the new restrictive Extra Deck rules, another new monster type that nobody wanted for the third time (because they didn't want Machines getting more support), and I'll admit its a nitpick but I'm tired of having to relearn things I should already know (no I don't mean the Link Summon mechanic).

[VCR_CAT]

​CAN KONAMI PLEASE STOP CHANGING GAME TERMINOLOGY EVERYTIME WE GET A NEW SERIES!? Seriously, this is ridiculous, why is the Graveyard now called the GY (http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/RAM_Clouder). Honestly, between the new restrictive Extra Deck rules, another new monster type that nobody wanted for the third time (because they didn't want Machines getting more support), and I'll admit its a nitpick but I'm tired of having to relearn things I should already know (no I don't mean the Link Summon mechanic).

 

1. That's not ridiculous; that's like the tiniest of changes and actually makes text space a lot nicer to handle.

2. You have no evidence beyond speculation that Cyberse was made to divert support away from Machine monsters. It's just a dumb ol' tinfoil theory. They've been introducing a new type to the game since GX; it's what they do.

3. Get over it, it's a word changed to two letters. Boo hoo.

[Expelsword]

This isn't a terminology change at all. It's a way to save card space. I think it looks dumb, but it's not outrageous.

[Snatch Steal]

Holy sheet that looks really bad but can we not try and argue that machines need any more support? They've gotten plenty of toys

[Blake]

 

gureito

[goodfusion]

They should also shorten Spell/Trap to S/T and Monster to M, hand to H, Field to F, Deck to D and Extra Deck to ED!

 

I don't like it myself as it's less intuitive to new players.

 

This isn't a terminology change at all. It's a way to save card space. I think it looks dumb, but it's not outrageous.

 

 

The problem with saying it's for "saving space" is that Konami seems to insist on making the effect text as tiny as possible, even on effects that just don't need it.

They had the card text fill up most of the effect box, but then in Crossed Souls (I think) they decided to make the effect text much smaller on all cards, and it's been that way since.

[CuriousHeartless]

GY is a rather unintuitive name. Especially since you'd need to know it was called the Graveyard to begin with to see why it is shortened to GY. If they really needed shortening, the still somewhat intuitive Grave would work too, and is half the length of Graveyard.

 

And yeah it'll be labelled on mats and stuff but not everyone has mats when they start playing.

[Bringerofcake]

Like I get LP but this seems a little much tbh

[ABC Gun]

I'm just being nitpicky, but I have been involved with the game since the absolute beginning (2002) with the og Kaiba Starter Deck. I'm seeing this game do things that make me rethink if I should keep supporting it after 15 years, the biggest is the new restrictive rules about Special Summoning from the Extra Deck, not Link Summoning but everything else. I saw a video from Cimoooooooo, and in the video he said that OCG players aren't even playing Links outside Zoodiac.

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[Blake]

no one is playing links because either

a. no good deck to play them in (stargrail isn't GOOD)

b. there isn't generic enough access to them at this time for older decks that need them to work

 

there's a load of problems with the mechanic, but you're nitpicking the worst way possible

[Bringerofcake]

GUYS FORGET THE GY STUFF

"-type" IS DEAD

[ABC Gun]

no one is playing links because either

a. no good deck to play them in (stargrail isn't GOOD)

b. there isn't generic enough access to them at this time for older decks that need them to work

 

there's a load of problems with the mechanic, but you're nitpicking the worst way possible

 

I am nitpicking and I just created a vacuum of hate for myself because of it, but I'm not mad at the mechanic I'm mad at the rule that states you can only Special Summon monsters from your Extra Deck (either by a proper Summon or a card effect) to an Extra Monster Zone or a Main Monster Zone at a Link Monster's Link Point, like Cimoooooooo said this restricts gameplay and what Decks you can play. You're right though, this was the worst way to nitpick.

Like I get LP but this seems a little much tbh

 

Did'nt even notice that, thanks now if you can find out if they kept "ATK" and especially "DEF" I would really appreciate it.

GUYS FORGET THE GY STUFF

 

"-type" IS DEAD

 

Sorry, quoted the wrong thing

[Airride]

If we're shortening, why not just make it "Grave"...?

[notcleverusername]

If we're shortening, why not just make it "Grave"...?

Because let's be honest nobody cares and everybody's gonna get used to it in like 10 min no matter what it's changed to

This applies to most terminology

 

As far as it goes, the only real criteria I have for whether I like a text change or not is if it actually saves space, which GY does, so w/e

[Azuriena]

They had the card text fill up most of the effect box, but then in Crossed Souls (I think) they decided to make the effect text much smaller on all cards, and it's been that way since.

 

I think that changed back pretty quickly. Now cards tend to have medium-sized text, squished if need be, instead of small text with space hanging on the end. From the top of my head you could look at the printing history of stuff like Dance Princess or Construct.

[evilfusion]

Ehhh...terminology changes are fine so long as it's still clear what the meaning is.

 

That said, I don't like it being called the GY. I prefer being able to read card text aloud to my opponent without taking an extra moment to mentally translate what is written vs what I'd actually say.

 

Then again, when I play MtG, I say "Deck" rather than "library", so maybe that's hypocritical. But in that case, "Deck" is an easier word to say (1 syllable vs 3, common, unambiguous usage when heard) and has the exact same meaning as the gameplay term.

 

GY...you see it, and it looks weird. With a bit of thought, you can quickly tell it means "Graveyard", Obviously, it's to save on card text, but I don't think it's a practical change. Calling it the "Grave" would have been better if any change was needed, but Graveyard is a common term for TCGs in general (I think), apart from like...Pokemon, which insists it's the Discard Pile (because Pokemon don't actually "die" in battle, whereas creatures and Monsters do). But does it actually bother me? No, not really. I can dislike something, and still be okay with it.

 

I only truly despise Links as a mechanic because of how it retcons the entire game play experience. Rather than what Synchros, Xyz, and Pendulums did by EXPANDING the strategies and possible plays of pre-existing cards/Decks, but were not REQUIRED to do used, as well as being supported by dedicated themes, Links put arbitrary shackles on all the previous Summon mechanics, that must be "undone" by using Links.

 

I think everything else about the upcoming VRAINS era is fine, but the Extra Deck Summoning restrictions is a horrible thing to do, even if it might be a well-intentioned move, because too many cards and archetypes and Decks were DESIGNED to bring out multiple Extra Deck monsters.

[Atypical-Abbie]

I don't remember, but I don't think I really minded when they changed Life Points to LP, that being said, it was more common to see that in the video games and what not, so it wasn't a big deal, but using GY isn't as common I feel, which may make it a bit confusing for some people. Still, saying GY will make my life easier as a creator, less words to spell is never bad, and it makes cards able to look cleaner a lot of the time too.

[Just Crouton]

>GY

 

that's weird

 

also, glad to see "-type" gone. that always looked dumb.

[Yemachu]

While it might be even less unintuitive than abbreviations, I would probably have chosen to use icons (akin to Pokémon energies and Magic the Gathering thingies) as a means to save space… though small icons might become somewhat indistinguisable. It furthermore could have some issues with sensorship.

 

"Graveyard" is quite often stated in monster effects, so it would make sense to abbreviate it. Though the same could be said for "once per turn", not to mention in a previous expansion they introduced a new term for an existing action, which ended up longer than it used to be ("reveal" > "excavate").

 

I'm not too thrilled about this development, but it could have been worse.

[asterr259]

"Grave" would've been fine. GY just doesn't sound or work the same as LP did. I think players had already instinctively shortened Life Points to LP before then. No one says GY.  Honestly had no idea what GY even was until halfway into the topic. And how much space are we really even saving? One sentence effects/descriptions are still pretty small. Maybe Yubel or Vennominaga had the longest text, which both could be errata'd to be shorter without this change if they still mattered. Wasn't really a problem.

 

With "-type", to me, that felt somewhat needed. If someone new coming in read a fusion or link monster that said "2 Dragon monsters", they might try to use 2 Cyber Dragons as materials and then you have to explain how Dragon and "Dragon" are 2 different things. Which to someone trying to learn, might just sound stupid or confusing. At least more so than having "-type" included... Well not like complaining changes anything.

 

But if shorta txt rly hlpz y'all w/e m8! Lol k ttyl.

[Dr. Cakey]

If they want to abbrev something, how about figuring out a way to shorten "You can only use this effect of <card> once per turn." That takes up a little more space than goddamn 'Graveyard'.

[~ P O L A R I S ~]

Link Monsters and the new rules they come with are a great thing for YGO. The fact that they're already being used competitively points to good things to come (Xyz weren't universal at their debut, but splashed into certain Extra Decks that could accommodate them like Agents) - but they still had to contend with and often lose to Decks that didn't have much use for them initially like Six Samurai, Dark Worlds and X-Sabers (or if they did it'd be a single Utopia or something that more often than not wouldn't come out) until the eventual takeover of Wind-Ups. I suspect we'll see a similar progression with Links. If the monsters themselves aren't meta-relevant yet, the restrictive rules certainly are and that's a good thing.   

 

Graveyard to GY, like Life Points to LP before it, saves space and is universally understood anyway. Just something to note down when cardmaking for the most part. 

[Atypical-Abbie]

If they want to abbrev something, how about figuring out a way to shorten "You can only use this effect of <card> once per turn." That takes up a little more space than goddamn 'Graveyard'.

They could, but how would that work when it comes to differentiating other versions of the OPT clause? It's a more complicated clause that you can't simply change without being careful, where GY is just an abbreviation.

[Blake]

the restrictive rules are bad for the game zzz

 

all they do is punish old product for no reason, because the game clearly isn't changing beyond INCORPORATE NEW CARDS THAT DO SAME sheet THUS DEFEATING POINT OFNEW RULES

 

goodfor business, bad for game

[(GigaDrillBreaker)]

It it largely a matter of perspective, and what priorities people hold in design.

 

Personally, I am fond of it purely because it increases game complexity, and I find it to be a very well thought out mechanic. The implications it has in how it affects older cards are absolutely unfortunate, but I think that in a vacuum the game is better with links. Not because everything is cancer and needs to be slowed down, just because I think the mechanic of linking zones so they can be used for ED monsters is really cool.

 

As for the topic itself... Literally who cares? It is stupidly intuitive and has no real negative effects.