Palm Sunday Church Bombings (And persecution of Christians in the Middle East)

[Resident Fascist]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palm_Sunday_church_bombings

 

Well, 45 more innocent people killed by the religion of peace for absolutely no funking reason. This happens almost every year in Egypt, where Coptic Christians, who lived in Egypt thousands of years before Islam, are being oppressed and killed for their religion. As per usual, handwaving from the Saudis, your average boo-hoo, and nothing else will come of it, I'm afraid.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Shard, just be careful, there are people out to get your scalp on here. Try not to mention a certain religion if you can. I'd prefer not to see you banned for "hate speech"

 

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It's nothing new. They've been killing religious minorities forever and Daesh has stated that Coptics are their favorite prey. I'm disappointed Sisi didn't do more, but that's really the gist of it.

 

The usual apologists will come streaming in with non-sequitur about who Daesh kills or trying to marginalize Daesh. It's sad, but nothing will change.  

[Resident Fascist]

Shard, just be careful, there are people out to get your scalp on here. Try not to mention a certain religion if you can

 

Except this is very much a problem with Islam and how it oppresses other religions. The fact is, 45 people are dead solely because of their religion on a day of religious significance to Christians. This has been going on for years in Egypt, and Lebanon, and Syria, and pretty much everywhere else in the Middle East where Christianity is still a thing, except for Israel. Hundreds of Copts have been fleeing Egypt for years, most often to the West, some flee to Israel. It's sad, really. I'll just recommend a book by Raymond Ibrahim called Crucified Again: Exposing Islam's New War on Christians, he's a coptic Christian himself so it's obviously a little biased, but I found it to be a pretty interesting, albeit depressing book about an oppressed people.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Except this is very much a problem with Islam and how it oppresses other religions. The fact is, 45 people are dead solely because of their religion on a day of religious significance to Christians. This has been going on for years in Egypt, and Lebanon, and Syria, and pretty much everywhere else in the Middle East where Christianity is still a thing, except for Israel. Hundreds of Copts have been fleeing Egypt for years, most often to the West, some flee to Israel. It's sad, really. I'll just recommend a book by Raymond Ibrahim called Crucified Again: Exposing Islam's New War on Christians, he's a coptic Christian himself so it's obviously a little biased, but I found it to be a pretty interesting, albeit depressing book about an oppressed people.

No you see Daesh kills more Muslims than it does any other religion (cause lets ignore that proportionally there are more Muslims in the area, stats must fit the narrative)

 

Facts and your opinions don't matter:

 

It's not Islam's fault. Because Islam is not responsible for Daesh. The solution is to cater to moderate Muslims who aren't doing anything now (like Sisi) in the hopes that they will later if we're more tolerant of them.

 

I'm talking about the sort that think Non-Muslims are just scum, but don't hate them enough to kill or persecute them

 

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This is logical and sound, cause, ya know,  the last 2-3 times we've armed the "moderates" and tried to "moderate" Islam, it never came back and bit us in the ass. And since parents aren't held responsible for their rabid children. 

 

We honestly need to evacuate the minorities and secure Israel. If they want an "infidel" free world, they can have it. They'll be happy and won't kill us. And we'll be happy cause we're not being killed. Eventually they'll learn the same way every other religion has that they need to change.

[BANZAI!!!!]

Just stopping by to ask that this not turn into a shitshow, please and thankyou.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Just stopping by to ask that this not turn into a shitshow, please and thankyou.

It's shouldn't. We've seen this before so many times and nobody wants to get their hands dirty and say what needs to be said. It'll not change and we might as well just change our facebook profiles for a few days as "solidarity" 

 

I predict topic will be dead by tomorrow 

[BANZAI!!!!]

It's shouldn't. We've seen this before so many times and nobody wants to get their hands dirty and say what needs to be said. It'll not change and we might as well just change our facebook profiles for a few days as "solidarity" 

 

I predict topic will be dead by tomorrow

 

The whole social media solidarity thing is kind of asinine (did I spell that right?), yeah, but that's beside the point.

 

"What needs to be said" is that its awful, and things like this should not be allowed to continue. Just another thing on the list of awful sheet ISIS has done, really.

[Resident Fascist]

The whole social media solidarity thing is kind of asinine (did I spell that right?), yeah, but that's beside the point.

 

"What needs to be said" is that its awful, and things like this should not be allowed to continue. Just another thing on the list of awful sheet ISIS has done, really.

 

It's more the fact Sisi didn't protect Coptic Churches knowing terrorists in Egypt have a habit of bombing them on Christian holidays. That to me isn't just ignorance, that's almost compliance. His refusal to do anything is disgusting. Saying it's a tragedy isn't doing anything. Israel recently closed off one of it's trade routes to Egypt iirc, as a response to Sisi's anaemic response. 

[mido9]

It's more the fact Sisi didn't protect Coptic Churches knowing terrorists in Egypt have a habit of bombing them on Christian holidays. That to me isn't just ignorance, that's almost compliance. His refusal to do anything is disgusting. Saying it's a tragedy isn't doing anything. Israel recently closed off one of it's trade routes to Egypt iirc, as a response to Sisi's anaemic response. 

There are troops and police force stationed on every street. Like literally, the street outside my house has an armored car and 3 armed troops, it practically looks like we got occupied. What could you ask for?

 

He's not just ignoring the attacks, you just can't stop every terrorist attack basically regardless of how many troops you have... at all.

[vla1ne]

There are troops and police force stationed on every street. Like literally, the street outside my house has an armored car and 3 armed troops, it practically looks like we got occupied. What could you ask for?

 

He's not just ignoring the attacks, you just can't stop every terrorist attack basically regardless of how many troops you have... at all.

the amount of troops isn't the largest problem i see, but it is one of the problems, first, the mindset is the largest issue. tell me if i'm wrong, but there's a lot of people who sympathize with, or at the very least, can't bring themselves to speak bluntly about such events. and that just has to stop. sympathy for any group committing such actions is just foolish. i know, it's not everybody, but i have zero doubt that for everybody who says openly that they sympathize with Isis, there's another who keeps the actions of a loved one that they suspect of being linked to Isis, under wraps.

 

the second problem is the use of troops. not trying to say their efforts are useless, or that they shouldn't be appreciated, but placing troops on every street is a waste of troops. it's not too difficult to find one or two patterns that Isis takes, and plan accordingly instead of throwing them all over the streets, where they're not going to do much except identify themselves as targets. a little thought would tell you the most frequent targets, the most often used weapons, and the pest way to locate such weapons a little planning would let you use the information you possess to find ways of drawing them out to you. throwing troops everywhere is not going to be effective, and the people who think it is, likely haven't noticed that ISIS, from what i've seen of their actions, target mainly high traffic areas, special events, and/or places that are fundamentally opposed to their religion (like a church dedicated to another diety) and their main weapons of choice (outside of places that allow guns) appear to be suicide bombs. reduce the troop number, swap them out for a few more bomb sniffing dogs, tighten up and vary the methods used to cover high traffic and special event areas, and you could likely prevent many more of these from occurring. i know, it's not possible to have 100% security, and my interpretation of your "troops on every street" may be off in some ways, but those are my own thoughts on the matter. 

[Resident Fascist]

the amount of troops isn't the largest problem i see, but it is one of the problems, first, the mindest is the largest issue. tell me if i'm wrong, but there's a lot of people who sympathize with, or at the very least, can't bring themselves to speak bluntly about such events. and that just has to stop. sympath for any group committing such actions is just foolish. i know, it's not everybody, but i have zero doubt that for everybody who says openly that they smpathise with Isis, there's another who keeps the actions of a loved one that they suspect of being linked to Isis, under wraps.

 

the second problem is the use of troops. not trying to say their efforts are useless, or that they shouldn't be appreciated, but placing troops on every street is a waste of troops. it's not too difficult to find one or two patterns that Isis takes, and plan accordingly instead of throwing them all over the streets, where they're not going to do much except identify themselves as targets. a little thought would tell you the most frequent targets, the most often used weapons, and the pest way to locate such weapons a little planning would let you use the information you possess to find ways of drawing them out to you. throwing troops everywhere is not going to be effective, and the people who think it is, likely haven't noticed that ISIS, from what i've seen of their actions, target mainly high traffic areas, special events, and/or places that are fundamentally opposed to their religion (like a church dedicated to another diety) and their main weapons of choice (outside of places that allow guns) appear to be suicide bombs. reduce the troop number, swap them out for a few more bomb sniffing dogs, tighten up and vary the methods used to cover high traffic and special event areas, and you could likely prevent many more of these from occurring. i know, it's not possible to have 100% security, and my interpretation of your "troops on every street" may be off in some ways, but those are my own thoughts on the matter. 

 

Except Egypt has a history of oppressing Coptic Christians. Sisi should know this, and he did absolutely nothing to protect these people from murderous zealots. You can never get peace in the Middle East if Islamist terrorism is just accepted and even sympathised with. A few guards stationed at Coptic Churches would do at least something to notify the towelheads that at the very least, the government is onto their sheet.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Sisi has taken a side against the radical Muslim brotherhood though. If President Trump trusts him, that's good enough for me

[vla1ne]

Except Egypt has a history of oppressing Coptic Christians. Sisi should know this, and he did absolutely nothing to protect these people from murderous zealots. You can never get peace in the Middle East if Islamist terrorism is just accepted and even sympathised with. A few guards stationed at Coptic Churches would do at least something to notify the towelheads that at the very least, the government is onto their s***.

pretty sure mido just said about the exact thing. they already have guards and troops out the anus in egypt. the issue isn't that they need more, but that they need to place them better, and use different approaches aside from just playing on the defensive. murderous zealots aren't exactly easy to stop, especially when strapped with bombs. so an incident's not exatclt impossible to understand slipping through the net, though the argument could still be made, as i've said earlier, that on a day like palm sunday/easter/other religious events, it shouldn't be too hard to maybe sniff out any potential plots beforehand, or at least isolate the most likely areas to be attacked, and station as many varying methods of prevention as possible, to at least minimize any possible threats.