Temporary Bans

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Whiiiich is something we won't be doing? Again, soon^tm We'll have a fully codified, shiny new set of rules that outlines what we'll be giving people punishment wise.

You guys have shown gross ineptitude already. 7 pts for necrobump. 5 pts for poop in misc. 3 for abusive behavior?

 

(We had 4 different mod opinions on the abuse btw, two thought it was BS, one thought it was too light, one said build up, but I got the WP all same while y'all dicked around)

 

What kinda bullshit scaling is that. What have you done to gain back any credibility? It's been a funking clownshow

 

We've already been through the whole "rules update" idea too. Remember the enforcement of the sexuality clause?

[BANZAI!!!!]

You guys have shown gross ineptitude already. 7 pts for necrobump. 5 pts for poop in misc. 3 for abusive behavior?

 

What kinda bullshit scaling is that. What have you done to gain back any credibility? It's been a funking clownshow

We don't really have a scale right now. Which is part of the reason the team started doing rule revisions to begin with (way before my promotion, i might add). We are fixing it. I hasn't been fixed yet. Until then, its simply up to moderator discretion as to what is appropriate.

[Lunar Origins]

Warning points mean nothing.  Doling out temporary bans for any offense combined with warning points to boot is the best way of handling these sorts of situations.  Far more people should be receiving temporary bans far more often.

[BANZAI!!!!]

Warning points mean nothing.  Doling out temporary bans for any offense combined with warning points to boot is the best way of handling these sorts of situations.  Far more people should be receiving temporary bans far more often.

Warning points are just that, warnings. They aren't a punishment. Temp bans shouldn't be dropped on people for every little thing. We don;t want to be bastards, we just want a working disciplinary system in place.

[(GigaDrillBreaker)]

Rolling back the punishment amounts is a little thing called forgiveness.

 

Yes, one could argue the bans being temporary is forgiving from the start, but considering it would ramp up as a result of frequency, it would only make sense to go back down while they are on good behavior.

[BANZAI!!!!]

Rolling back the punishment amounts is a little thing called forgiveness.

 

Yes, one could argue the bans being temporary is forgiving from the start, but considering it would ramp up as a result of frequency, it would only make sense to go back down while they are on good behavior.

I'm of the opinion that additions on time should be more incremental. Really, instead of lengths of bans being set-in-stone- arbitrary, I think it should bea closely followed guideline. Obviously if someone's been good they shouldn't get banned for 2 weeks just because they misbehaved in the past, but at the same time they've also been told what's acceptable and what isn't before, and so I don;t think they should roll all the way back down to a slap on the wrist.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Then do 5 days instead of 2. At some point the exponential growth cannot be "scaled" back by linear regression

[LordCowCowCowCowCowCowCowCow]

Rolling back the punishment amounts is a little thing called forgiveness.

 

Yes, one could argue the bans being temporary is forgiving from the start, but considering it would ramp up as a result of frequency, it would only make sense to go back down while they are on good behavior.

I think that they should roll back only in some cases.

Because keep in mind just because someone isn't being completely terrible doesn't mean they don't also have occasional flare ups that are indicative of a larger issue.

Basically if they did get rolled back it would have to be pretty spotless behavior. They could keep the ban count at the level they're at and not get worse as long as they don't do bad. But it'd take a little extra effort to actually remove the count.

Because someone being bad for like, a week straight, then being good for a couple months, and being bad again, is still not the healthiest thing imo.

[Dad]

I think that they should roll back only in some cases.

Because keep in mind just because someone isn't being completely terrible doesn't mean they don't also have occasional flare ups that are indicative of a larger issue.

Basically if they did get rolled back it would have to be pretty spotless behavior. They could keep the ban count at the level they're at and not get worse as long as they don't do bad. But it'd take a little extra effort to actually remove the count.

Because someone being bad for like, a week straight, then being good for a couple months, and being bad again, is still not the healthiest thing imo.

 

Semi-disagree.  If you can correct your behavior for three to five months, I'm more than willing to curve points off of your record.  But best believe I'll be handing them back to you on a platter if you start to trip.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

I love how the only way to abuse Giga's plan is to behave badly enough to get 10WP, then behave perfectly for months, and then behave badly enough to get another ban.

 

Only way to square that is it's too easy to get 10 WP *cough 5 at a time*

 

Or we have a bipolar individual

[BANZAI!!!!]

Semi-disagree.  If you can correct your behavior for three to five months, I'm more than willing to curve points off of your record.  But best believe I'll be handing them back to you on a platter if you start to trip.

Perhaps we structure this as a more case-by-case thing. Staffers are smart enough to be able to mete out appropriate punishments given a guideline i think.

[LordCowCowCowCowCowCowCowCow]

Semi-disagree.  If you can correct your behavior for three to five months, I'm more than willing to curve points off of your record.  But best believe I'll be handing them back to you on a platter if you start to trip.

Well that's sort of what I mean. A period like that of actually really good behavior is good but say...if they're iffy for a few months then not so much.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Perhaps we structure this as a more case-by-case thing. Staffers are smart enough to be able to mete out appropriate punishments given a guideline i think.

UH WHAT?

 

It's not about smart, it's about personal feelings and agendas

 

Zai you're a math major right? You can easily design a critical point (where the curves would cross) after which pt a linear retraction cannot offset the growing extensions

 

This isn't hard math to do objectively

[LordCowCowCowCowCowCowCowCow]

UH WHAT?

 

It's not about smart, it's about personal feelings and agendas

Please stop basing your arguments on a feeling that the mods will attack certain people due to simply disliking them on a personal level. It doesn't help anything and it ruins your own objectivity and makes your stances sound more like they're coming from paranoia than logic.

Take a step back from the thread please we're going too fast and things are reaching that "heated" point let's nip it at the bud.

[BANZAI!!!!]

UH WHAT?

 

It's not about smart, it's about personal feelings and agendas

 

Zai you're a math major right? You can easily design a critical point (where the curves would cross) after which pt a linear retraction cannot offset the growing extensions

 

This isn't hard math to do objectively

I'm a history major. I actually suck at math like, hardcore.

 

And I'm also pretty certain that no one remaining on the site staff has any agendas to push or vendettas to levy out. And even if they do,none of them would let that get in the way of their jobs. Trust me on that one.

[Phantom Roxas]

Depends, if you're giving them out 5 at a time for posting a picture of poop, maybe the problem isn't with me

 

Anyone can disagree with how many warning points they receive for a given offense, but it doesn't change that they warranted warning points in the first place. Saying that the problem isn't with you is projecting the blame onto the moderation team. It's entirely possible for the moderator to be wrong for how many points they gave and for the user to be still wrong for what they had posted. It's not a case of "This person was really in the wrong, therefore the problem couldn't possibly be with me." As much as I hate "Both sides are wrong" as an excuse, something along those lines needs to be considered.

 

I'm not a mod anymore. The source of your problems is gone, yet you keep fighting as if I'm still causing the problems. I would prefer it if you were not still using me as your scapegoat.

 

UH WHAT?

 

It's not about smart, it's about personal feelings and agendas

What agenda? Is there one that's even left now? Who is currently acting on this agenda? If they exist, what efforts are they making?

[Dad]

Yeah, with Roxas off the team, I'm surprised this is even an issue.  I've been fair in all of my punishments, and as far as I know, no one has any "vendettas".  There's no vengeance plans in place.  Just a bunch of whining.  So can we actually move the discussion forwards instead of pretending to be proactive and hindering the conversation?

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Bigger problem was with the abuse case where Nai said buildup, Evil and Night were like WTF, why does this merit WPs, and Aix said I got off easy. You guys operate like a clownshow

 

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You and me didn't alway have a problem. It develops. You need to design your laws with a bit of forsight

I'm a history major. I actually suck at math like, hardcore.

 

And I'm also pretty certain that no one remaining on the site staff has any agendas to push or vendettas to levy out. And even if they do,none of them would let that get in the way of their jobs. Trust me on that one.

Set a period (like 2 weeks) as the crit value.

 

Think of it like a parabola intersecting a line. At one pt, the growth of the parabola can't be matched by the growth of the linear function. Area in between those curves would be the redemption area ( you can integrate to set a value, say 1 month )

 

Once someone is out of the redemption area, they cannot get back to a time of zero. Pretty simple math really. You use it it for critical pts for nuclear meltdowns

[Tesability Black]

White, all I'm seeing from you is an attempt to degrade this thread to the point that it becomes nothing more than that pile of poop in Misc you so seem to love talking about. Stop it. It's beyond aggravating. Your antagonization seems like you're purposely trying to make them lose that foresight.

 

Anyhoo, I am admittedly in agreeance with the concept of temporary bans. Areas outside of the RP section have become far too acidic for my liking and I would like to be able to get out of it and participate on the rest of the site every once in a while.

[BANZAI!!!!]

Bigger problem was with the abuse case where Nai said buildup, Evil and Night were like WTF, why does this merit WPs, and Aix said I got off easy. You guys operate like a clownshow

 

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You and me didn't alway have a problem. It develops. You need to design your laws with a bit of forsight

 

Set a period (like 2 weeks) as the crit value.

 

Think of it like a parabola intersecting a line. At one pt, the growth of the parabola can't be matched by the growth of the linear function. Area in between those curves would be the redemption area ( you can integrate to set a value, say 1 month )

I'm not writing a formula or drawing a graph for how to set disciplinary actions. I'd much rather trust my coworkers' judgement and give us a simple guideline to follow.

[Dad]

Bigger problem was with the abuse case where Nai said buildup, Evil and Night were like WTF, why does this merit WPs, and Aix said I got off easy. You guys operate like a clownshow

 

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You and me didn't alway have a problem. It develops. You need to design your laws with a bit of forsight

 

I don't have any laws.  I'm not on you and you alone.  You annoy me, sure, but you're not some lone wolf or sole victim.  I punish everyone who deserves it when they deserve it.  Period.  No one is immune.  Not Cow, not (), not Hina, and certainly not you.  You view them as laws because they force you to stop freely acting like everything you do is okay.

 

So just stop.  It's a simple concept.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

I'm not writing a formula or drawing a graph for how to set disciplinary actions. I'd much rather trust my coworkers' judgement and give us a simple guideline to follow.

Why do you want wiggle room when you already have such for warning pt hand outs. It's not hard to have an objective yet progressive way to implement Giga's proposal.

I don't have any laws.  I'm not on you and you alone.  You annoy me, sure, but you're not some lone wolf or sole victim.  I punish everyone who deserves it when they deserve it.  Period.  No one is immune.  Not Cow, not (), not Hina, and certainly not you.  You view them as laws because they force you to stop freely acting like everything you do is okay.

 

So just stop.  It's a simple concept.

And you've been wrong before. Like the "baka" incident. You give low denomination pts. Not everyone is like that now, and you certainly cannot predict the future. We've had enough abusive mods in the past to rule out one In the future

[BANZAI!!!!]

Why do you want wiggle room when you already have such for warning pt hand outs. It's not hard to have an objective yet progressive way to implement Giga's proposal.

Because every person and most every offense is different. Actions have context and I'd rather not be forced to hand out a punishment that may not be appropriate based on an arbitrary guideline. Vol Vrac is new but I'd say he's said much more offensive things than others have received warning points for, as an example.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Because every person and most every offense is different. Actions have context and I'd rather not be forced to hand out a punishment that may not be appropriate based on an arbitrary guideline. Vol Vrac is new but I'd say he's said much more offensive things than others have received warning points for, as an example.

This doesn't have anything to do with Warning points. It has to do with the penalty you get for the temporary ban and the time the ban lasts for.

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@DAD

 

Haven't gotten an "abusive behavior" warning in many months. Some might say that means I've "learnt" my "lesson"

 

Others have called for a kangaroo court ban for me as recent as this week. Your standards are not firm is the problem

[Dad]

Why do you want wiggle room when you already have such for warning pt hand outs. It's not hard to have an objective yet progressive way to implement Giga's proposal.

 

And you've been wrong before. Like the "baka" incident. You give low denomination pts. Not everyone is like that now, and you certainly cannot predict the future. We've had enough abusive mods in the past to rule out one In the future

 

Except I slowly, calmly, and maturely handled my faults.  The points were reverted, and the appropriate authorities and parties involved--contacted by me--clarified everything.  I'm willing to own up to my mistakes and fix them.  You haven't shown that.