Club Revival

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Suggestion From Fusion, the good one, one the Evil one :P

 

"What drove the section's activity back in my younger days was that posts were enabled and people treated it like a chatroom. There would be a central topic, but members would often get sidetracked into unrelated conversations. I think a lot of people thought that was dumb when Skype/Discord exists and the section was neutered. People stopped posting. I can see the argument in leaving it dead in favor of those chat services, but I think there's also an appeal in not having to reply immediately in the chat. You can flesh out your post a little more, quote posts from an earlier convo you weren't there for and continue that thread of discussion, etc. I've found that was a good way to make friends too. But I believe that's not really a popular opinion so what can you do ¯\_(ツ)_/¯"

 

Discord and Skype really don't grow YCM. An active Site, with multiple interests represented on the otherhand might

 

Can we-reanable post count in Clubs, cause really it's post count, nobody really cares that much

[Blake]

No one cares about Discord and Skype "ruining" YCM, as you seem to love pushing.

 

They may be an issue, but you give them an overblown sense of such, and they aren't YCM's to control, beyond having a hub server on Discord, which you'd be extremely hard pressed to manage to remove.

 

I don't mind if clubs has posts back, now, I just doubt it changes much unless the rules aren't harsh on said side cocos, as well. Even then, shrug.

[Night]

I don't mind re-enabling post count in clubs however is that really the driving factor for why the section's empty? While I agree it's a factor, I don't think it's the most prominent one. 

 

The biggest issue I see with doing so however is the need to allocate someone to moderate a seemingly dead section. 

I'd like to see a clubs revival though, could be cool possibly with the right mod at the helm reforming the section.

 

At the end of the day though it's really one of those things where it doesn't matter how many resources we allocate to this reformation, it really comes down to the members whether or not it's a success or not. 

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

No one cares about Discord and Skype "ruining" YCM, as you seem to love pushing.

 

They may be an issue, but you give them an overblown sense of such, and they aren't YCM's to control, beyond having a hub server on Discord, which you'd be extremely hard pressed to manage to remove.

 

I don't mind if clubs has posts back, now, I just doubt it changes much unless the rules aren't harsh on said side cocos, as well. Even then, shrug.

I don't believe I said it was ruining YCM here? I said Discord was less likely to create traffic that would flow to the main forum....than an active sub-forum.

 

That's fairly intuitive. 

 

I do believe that clubs should have a lower regulation standard. Clubs at the end of the day are a place for like minded individuals to socialize. The more it happens here on YCM the better.

I don't mind re-enabling post count in clubs however is that really the driving factor for why the section's empty? While I agree it's a factor, I don't think it's the most prominent one. 

 

The biggest issue I see with doing so however is the need to allocate someone to moderate a seemingly dead section. 

I'd like to see a clubs revival though, could be cool possibly with the right mod at the helm reforming the section.

 

At the end of the day though it's really one of those things where it doesn't matter how many resources we allocate to this reformation, it really comes down to the members whether or not it's a success or not. 

Right, but at that point it doesn't hurt to lower regulations a bit. IMHO, conversations will self regulate. But right now we need some mod pushing.

 

I'm not entirely sure who's idea it was, but pinning a few Clubs links with the [

 

I and others were able to turn General into the main traffic hub of the forum for a while there, it's quite possible for that to happen w/ a little help from the mods.

 

As for a mod to oversee it, when needed, I see no better test of PR skills than trying to resuscitate Clubs. Why not give Zai that role, given he's staying on. To start it won't be that much work for him to actively get his hands dirty on. Maybe just some requests from the owners of the clubs. We have more than enough mods for someone to take this project on

 

We'll never know unless we try it, and I don't see what we have to lose right now 

[Darj]

Users could still participate in clubs without the need of post counts, right? I mean, I doubt the reason users aren't active in clubs is because they don't get post counts anymore, which as it has been stated before, don't really matter in the end; it must be something else.

[mitchermitcher]

Although I doubt the lack of post count killed the section as well, reenabling it is an occasion and could get some people to try making new clubs and stuff. People would start posting again because of the novelty rather than because they didn't agree with the lack of post count, or so I'm guessing. It's not a novelty that'd last long but if you properly ride the momentum the section could become a lot more active. It's worth a try at any rate, I think. There's very little harm, none that I can think of on the spot.

[Flash Flyer - Sakura]

Just so you know guys, Clubs has had its post count re-enabled for the past couple years. Forgot when, but definitely sometime during my early modship or something.

[(GigaDrillBreaker)]

Just disable post-count, and loosen requirements in what constitutes a post in the section. If people want to use it more like a chat room, they shouldn't need a motivator like post count to do so.

[Flash Flyer - Sakura]

Users could still participate in clubs without the need of post counts, right? I mean, I doubt the reason users aren't active in clubs is because they don't get post counts anymore, which as it has been stated before, don't really matter in the end; it must be something else.

 

Yeah, you guys apparently did this since C/O got its post count turned off. (I don't know which mod did this, but sure wasn't me because I was gone at the time this happened). 

 

Only other reason is Mugen actually requiring you guys to have a club activity while he was still moderator. Maybe that was a factor, but I cannot say for certain. This basically means having something to do besides having discussions that could be held on a Skype convo (or discussions that could probably go into main threads in other sections).

 

i.e. AGM has its ongoing generic project and stuff, Showdown has tournaments, Sleepy's new club is drawing help and so forth. Those would count as your forum activity (supposedly). 

 

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Come to think of it, since Mugen resigned, that rule hasn't exactly been enforced. It's assumed that other clubs at least have legitimate discussions or don't post spam images. Well, only clubs outside AGM are Showdown and Rinne's MtG club; and I will assume that Rinne and Cow have/enforce rules concerning spamming. (AGM is fine in terms of discussion; if there were any rulebreaking in there, it'd be dealt with [likely by me, because I have mod powers]).

[LordCowCowCowCowCowCowCowCow]

Bear with me I haven't eaten so this might not be the most coherent post.

Just so you know guys, Clubs has had its post count re-enabled for the past couple years. Forgot when, but definitely sometime during my early modship or something.

Yeah I laughed a lot reading this because it literally does have post count.

 

See my idea is.

What can Clubs do better than Misc and Skype/Discord? What would drive people to post there instead?

Also it risks pushing more "serious" clubs down as well.

 

Honestly I doubt Clubs can go to what it was because not many would use it the same anymore. For a brief time yes but they'd soon realize that Misc and Skype/Discord (or PMs) are better for random chat stuff.

 

Right, but at that point it doesn't hurt to lower regulations a bit. IMHO, conversations will self regulate. But right now we need some mod pushing.

 

As for a mod to oversee it, when needed, I see no better test of PR skills than trying to resuscitate Clubs. Why not give Zai that role, given he's staying on. To start it won't be that much work for him to actively get his hands dirty on. Maybe just some requests from the owners of the clubs. We have more than enough mods for someone to take this project on

 

We'll never know unless we try it, and I don't see what we have to lose right now 

For the first I can confirm this isn't true. There was a period where we had a few more chatty Clubs reemerge and it very quickly devolved.

 

And Zai has a lot on his plate. Cleaning up the drama in regards to his modship, RP, PR, TCG, etc etc. He's got a lot to do as is.

 

 

 

The thing is you can't just say "let's make clubs active". For Clubs to be consistently active there needs to be a plan in place of what to do with Clubs.

We need to evaluate what made Clubs so big back then. All I've seen points to it being a place to chat random stuff with people but Misc and Skype/Discord fill that.

There were contests or competition like things I THINK but from what I know part of it was drama fueled which is not what we should be going with.

 

The Clubs of the past just won't work nowadays so instead we need to find something that will work.

At the moment the only reason to post in Clubs instead of elsewhere is to have a more consistent and solid place to discuss very specific things or have very specific events. They are very much case-by-case basis. The only way to actually make Clubs more active is for more people to make more Clubs that people want to post in.

And keep it going.

The second part is big.

iirc there was a Splice Club for a while but it didn't really DO much and people slowly lost interest in it.

My Showdown Club only survived this long because I keep going back to prod people with prompts or tournaments. Even that has slowed down a lot these days.

Clubs fully relies on people being more active. There's not a lot to be done to make people want to be active there except figuring out what people want to have  Club for.

[Flash Flyer - Sakura]

As I mentioned in another member's status, I would revive Club Espeon, but outside of talking about anime/manga or the games, there isn't too much to do in there (unless we get people interested in a CAP project which I considered as a club activity, but yeah). Hell, even the original died out eventually, despite repeated prodding for people to be active (at the time, it was stickied). 

 

(There was SOME crossover discussion for Yugioh, but yeah...)

 

So yeah, I'll just let the motion rest (for the time being) and leave Espeon's legacy as a memory of the glory days of YCM. Or just reformat it to a full-on CAP thing (but who on here is interested in that kind of thing right now?)

 

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I can't say that all clubs in the old days were similar to what goes on in Discord, but there were a few that did get a lot of activity, yes. I remember stuff like Akatsuki got posts every couple seconds so it was slightly difficult to keep up with conversations. 

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Dad's technically in charge of Clubs (and Miscellaneous), but outside certain cases, he doesn't really have to check often. Most of the time, it's Miscellaneous; Clubs are usually fine from what I've seen.