Babymon Posted February 7, 2017 Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 There is a new build that lets u consistently summon out 2 Neptune monsters with 5000 burn effect on first turn. Do you think this card will get hit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted February 7, 2017 Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 IF + Tyrant? It's annoying as hell, but it's a cute 2 card combinations with plenty of meta pitfalls at the moment. It's just gonna be one of those annoying combos you deal with. tl;dr No Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Βyakuya Posted February 7, 2017 Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 This kind of logic where if a card seems to churn out invincibility and big damage it should be banned is simply ridiculous. The combo is actually a little harder than you think when you consider the number of ways to stop it,"and it isn't even too consistent. Bottom line, it's annoying, but it doesn't deserve getting banned because it looks strong. Chances are people won't use the gimmick and it won't be banned, because things normally get banned for abusing gimmicks too much with little costs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~British Soul~ Posted February 7, 2017 Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 If anything, it's a cute combo that people will use for like a day and move on to something else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~~~~ Posted February 7, 2017 Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 If it was actually a problem, the other cards in the combo would likely get hit, not this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darj Posted February 7, 2017 Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 Yeah, this card isn't a bit problem, If anything, it along Master Peace would make Tribute Summon a strong mechanic in the format, pushing players to side or main against it. And if the combo with Neptune gets out of hand, chances are that, as Speedroid pointed out, other cards of the combo will be hit before this. Heck, I would expect an emergency errata on Independent Nightingale before this card getting in the banlist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaiji Posted February 7, 2017 Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 I like how this card makes other similar strategies such as Super Quants and raidraptors obsolete as they take a lot more effort or have to deal with gross restrictions. Instant, Brilliant, Predaplants, Zoodiacs arent even terrible cards to main so even without the FTK u still outperform most deck GG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slinky Posted February 7, 2017 Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 The funny thing is. the summon of Ophryus Scorpio + monster in hand = almost guaranteed Instant Fusion + Tyrant Combo, so the consistency of the combo is actually really not that bad. Still really gimmicky though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~~~~ Posted February 7, 2017 Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 The funny thing is. the summon of Ophryus Scorpio + monster in hand = almost guaranteed Instant Fusion + Tyrant Combo, so the consistency of the combo is actually really not that bad. Still really gimmicky though.you just need Lonefire/Ophrys + any monster + IF/Double Summon/Brifu so yeah, it's actually really easy to pull off the 5k one. However, I think the OP means summoning Tyrant twice in the same turn for a total of 10k burn. Since IF has a hard OPT, I don't see how this is remotely possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babymon Posted February 7, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 The funny thing is. the summon of Ophryus Scorpio + monster in hand = almost guaranteed Instant Fusion + Tyrant Combo, so the consistency of the combo is actually really not that bad. Still really gimmicky though. There is an even newer build now with less cards that let you summon 2 Tyrants (5000 burners) on your first turn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~~~~ Posted February 7, 2017 Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 There is an even newer build now with less cards that let you summon 2 Tyrants (5000 burners) on your first turn.Would you mind sharing the build/combo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babymon Posted February 7, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 Would you mind sharing the build/combo? I only saw it briefly when dueling someone on YGOpro. I got burned twice with 5000 turn 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slinky Posted February 7, 2017 Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 you just need Lonefire/Ophrys + any monster + IF/Double Summon/Brifu so yeah, it's actually really easy to pull off the 5k one. However, I think the OP means summoning Tyrant twice in the same turn for a total of 10k burn. Since IF has a hard OPT, I don't see how this is remotely possible. You don't need the latter part. Because Cobra searches IF for you.Make Invoker off of Cobra + Scorpiodo the rat combo, use your Free R4 as King of the Feral Imps which is used to search Neptune. And yes, double is possible, but it needs a very specific hand. Soul Charge/Revival Card + IF + Double Neptune + Brifu/Double summon. It is completely unrealistic however. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~~~~ Posted February 7, 2017 Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 You don't need the latter part. Because Cobra searches IF for you.Make Invoker off of Cobra + Scorpiodo the rat combo, use your Free R4 as King of the Feral Imps which is used to search Neptune. And yes, double is possible, but it needs a very specific hand. Soul Charge/Revival Card + IF + Double Neptune + Brifu/Double summon. It is completely unrealistic however.you have to NS Ophrys or Lonefire Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babymon Posted February 7, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 you have to NS Ophrys or Lonefire They pulled this off turn 1 using weird combo with Utopia,magician, Cardian, Predator, SPeedoroid, Zoodiac and Sacred Crane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~~~~ Posted February 7, 2017 Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 They pulled this off turn 1 using weird combo with Utopia,magician, Cardian, Predator, SPeedoroid, Zoodiac and Sacred CraneThen overlay into Gustav Max for 12000 damage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Expelsword Posted February 7, 2017 Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 It doesn't matter if you get 2 out.The only answer to a single one is a Kaiju. You're dying next turn otherwise. The problem is Instant Fusion, however, not this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~~~~ Posted February 7, 2017 Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 It doesn't matter if you get 2 out.The only answer to a single one is a Kaiju. You're dying next turn otherwise. The problem is Instant Fusion, however, not this.no, the problem is the Zoodiac engine and the Preda engine. If you're gonna hit Terrortop, you can't leave Ophrys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted February 7, 2017 Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 no, the problem is the Zoodiac engine and the Preda engine. If you're gonna hit Terrortop, you can't leave Ophrys Terrortop was a hard +1 that didn't require a normal summon. the preda engine requires running something NS reliant (technically) that requires another card from your hand in order to do so, and the other card you run for the engine is beyond aids to draw. A better comparison is TGU, but she can replenish hersel, so still no. the problems are rat and instant fusion, the latter has never not been a problem in modern ygo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resident Fascist Posted February 8, 2017 Report Share Posted February 8, 2017 So what actually made this thing good? I haven't kept up with OCG stuff so I'm not overly aware of the newest stuff that people are doing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slinky Posted February 8, 2017 Report Share Posted February 8, 2017 So what actually made this thing good? I haven't kept up with OCG stuff so I'm not overly aware of the newest stuff that people are doing Instant Fusion + Independant Nightingale + Tyrant Neptune = 6k Beatstick immune to other effects that deals 5k effect damage every turn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~~~~ Posted February 8, 2017 Report Share Posted February 8, 2017 Terrortop was a hard +1 that didn't require a normal summon. the preda engine requires running something NS reliant (technically) that requires another card from your hand in order to do so, and the other card you run for the engine is beyond aids to draw. A better comparison is TGU, but she can replenish hersel, so still no. the problems are rat and instant fusion, the latter has never not been a problem in modern ygoYou run 6 of the 'Terrortop' (3 lonefire + 3 Ophrys) so it's actually more consistent than the speedroid engine despite having to run 2 of the 'Taketomborg'. Speedroid Taketomborg is dead if you don't also draw Terrortop, and in the equivalent situation where you draw Ophrys/Lonefire + Darling Cobra, you can just discard the Darling Cobra for Ophrys. Ophrys is also a +1 because you discard a monster to summon a monster (+0) but then search a 'Fusion' spell (+1). Note that many Fusion Spells are themselves +1s, like Instant Fusion (with Norden) or Brifu. Speaking of Brifu, you have the opportunity to get Seraphinite so it's as if it didn't use your NS either. It's not at all comparable to TGU because it's far more powerful. The main issues with it are the amount of deck space it takes up and having to run a fairly monster heavy deck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted February 8, 2017 Report Share Posted February 8, 2017 You run 6 of the 'Terrortop' (3 lonefire + 3 Ophrys) so it's actually more consistent than the speedroid engine despite having to run 2 of the 'Taketomborg'. Speedroid Taketomborg is dead if you don't also draw Terrortop, and in the equivalent situation where you draw Ophrys/Lonefire + Darling Cobra, you can just discard the Darling Cobra for Ophrys. Ophrys is also a +1 because you discard a monster to summon a monster (+0) but then search a 'Fusion' spell (+1). Note that many Fusion Spells are themselves +1s, like Instant Fusion (with Norden) or Brifu. Speaking of Brifu, you have the opportunity to get Seraphinite so it's as if it didn't use your NS either. It's not at all comparable to TGU because it's far more powerful. The main issues with it are the amount of deck space it takes up and having to run a fairly monster heavy deck.And it still requires a summon. Saying "but you can search brifu!" doesn't work, because you'll optimally be searching for Instant Fusion, and BriFu, as you mentioned, eats up more deck slots for more potential dead draws. Deck Space + NS reliance + not a hard +1 in its own right makes it not comparable. It's not exactly fair, but IF is still far more of an issue, because that card's shenanigans are the major issue. Free summons aren't really a fair concept, and pay 1000 for versatility is not a real drawback. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~~~~ Posted February 8, 2017 Report Share Posted February 8, 2017 And it still requires a summon. Saying "but you can search brifu!" doesn't work, because you'll optimally be searching for Instant Fusion, and BriFu, as you mentioned, eats up more deck slots for more potential dead draws. Deck Space + NS reliance + not a hard +1 in its own right makes it not comparable. It's not exactly fair, but IF is still far more of an issue, because that card's shenanigans are the major issue. Free summons aren't really a fair concept, and pay 1000 for versatility is not a real drawback.I see your point. I always considered IF to be a given, and lusted after any means to search it. I misattributed my craze for IF at the Preda engine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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