Should Cyber Stein be taken off the banlist alongside magical scientist?

[Babymon]

Magical scientist

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The reason scientist was banned was due to the combo with catapult turtle but with the way the meta is setup that combo is long outdated and no longer viable anymore. And in the case of cyber stein the card cost 5000 LP to summon 1 monster which is practically suicide in this meta and by turn 3 to 4 is not viable as you are likely to have lost about 4000 LP by then.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Stein to 1. MS needs a OPt

[~Faytl~]

I really wish these weren't together, because I'd be fine with a Cyber-Stein unban, but HELL NO would I condone a Scientist unban. Especially now that it's super easy to synchro it away and not have a 300 ATK liability on your board.

[Sleepy]

Magical Scientist:
Level 1 DARK Spellcaster means Allure fodder, One for One/Where Art Thou!? search, Kynka Byo revives, and Dark Magic Veil is my personal favorite.

It then at best becomes a Rank 6 or lower tool, and now with the new Zombie Fusion it also will open up Synchro plays and can even be a 1 card Ultimaya. At worst it gets an OPT clause and is just an Instant Fusion for Norden plays or Thousand-Eyes Restrict, which can go 1 Level higher than Instant Fusion.

 

Cyber Stein with Mound of the Bound Creator and Naturia Extrio sounds dirty, but can't say I know exactly how much.

[Tinkerer]

Well, if 12k LP is gonna be a thing, both of these have a ton more potential. I personally would also like to see Cyber Stein come back but yeah, Scientist needs a restriction.

[Sleepy]

We are still like, what? 10 weeks away from the new series? 

I have mixed feelings about the possibility of those rules happening. I don't think there's ever been a card game that's had to up their initial win condition numbers in order to stay afloat. Not that any other card games have lasted this long other than MTG and PTCG, but still.

 

 

Translation: Charles, the world isn't like it used to be~

[GarlandChaos]

Why does Magical Scientist look like Baofu from Persona 2?

 

Cyber-Stein can be put to 1 or even 2, honestly, because no one will realistically have enough Life Points in one turn to special summon more than once in a turn, unless they're playing cards that increase their life points (Such as Side Effects?, but you'll be going -1 at least if you use it). That, and Stein is very much susceptible to cards Solemn Strike and Solemn Warning.

 

Magical Scientist would need a hard Once Per Turn effect to stop Xyz Shenanigans and the like from happening. Otherwise, keep it at 0.

[Slinky]

Cyber Stein can stay banned. ESPECIALLY if the 12k lp reigns true. Paying 10k to get a field of Exterio and Last Warrior will be major bullshit, and nobody would want to deal with that. Exterio can be set-up by pretty much anything, so no. It's too dangerous. Especially since nearly everybody runs Pot of Desires, which sets up Exterio on its own with a +1 on top of it.

 

Magical Scientist however, while fine in theory with an opt, we should err on the side of caution for now, and leave it banned, due to its search-ability and recyclability due to it being a level 1. (Kinka-Byo, Where Arf Thou, 141 etc.). It just has too much abuse potential.

[Tinkerer]

Paying 10k to get a field of Exterio and Last Warrior will be major bullshit,

 

It would be pretty BS, but only because that field would be impossible to have.

[Slinky]

It would be pretty BS, but only because that field would be impossible to have.

 

If the rule is changed to 12k starting lp which is the rumor right now? Wouldn't be impossible at all, would be very practical.

[Tinkerer]

If the rule is changed to 12k starting lp which is the rumor right now? Wouldn't be impossible at all, would be very practical.

 

Last Warrior Raigeki's your field except itself, doesn't it?

[GarlandChaos]

Last Warrior Raigeki's your field except itself, doesn't it?

Yes it does, and your opponent's field stays untouched.

[Slinky]

Oh, so it does. I actually wasn't aware it had that. Okay, field is impossible through conventionial methods (I'm sure you'd be able to protect Exterio though, thus turning it into a 2-card combo instead of 1). But either way, paying 5k for a summon inhibitor or locking off all spells/traps is still a very dangerous precedent to set.

 

Also, potentially dangerous with Odd-Eyes Vortex, and Dragostapelia, esp. if used in conjunction with other cards like Exterio.

 

This is all assuming the 12k thing holds true of course. 

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Cyber Stein can stay banned. ESPECIALLY if the 12k lp reigns true. Paying 10k to get a field of Exterio and Last Warrior will be major bullshit, and nobody would want to deal with that. Exterio can be set-up by pretty much anything, so no. It's too dangerous. Especially since nearly everybody runs Pot of Desires, which sets up Exterio on its own with a +1 on top of it.

 

Magical Scientist however, while fine in theory with an opt, we should err on the side of caution for now, and leave it banned, due to its search-ability and recyclability due to it being a level 1. (Kinka-Byo, Where Arf Thou, 141 etc.). It just has too much abuse potential.

Are you stupid last warrior would kill exterio

 

Maybe before putting out stupid comments read the card.

 

Two card combo deflection is dumb. You can make a two card 5k unaffected burner off IF and TN. Stop going for memes

[XenoPhobia]

with sea monster of theseus out there, it's way too dangerous for us to have magical scientist out of the banlist.

 

 

(kill it with fire before it spreads)

[~Faytl~]

Are you stupid last warrior would kill exterio

 

Maybe before putting out stupid comments read the card.

 

Two card combo deflection is dumb. You can make a two card 5k unaffected burner off IF and TN. Stop going for memes

 

This reeks of so much hypocrisy when I've seen you neglect to read an entire THREAD before commenting and calling everyone in it a moron for a viewpoint noboy in it expressed. Even without that there's no reason to call anyone stupid for misunderstanding how a trading card works. None at all.

 

2-card combos are relevant to a degree, just purely out of how easy it is to set them up even if the pieces aren't searchable. The Tyrant Neptune combo you mentioned (which makes a 6k beater actually, making it unable to be killed by the go-to answer of UTL, and that IS relevant) is almost impossible to answer without having a Solemn set, at least for the average deck. Sure, they're a bit of a longshot to assemble but not to the degree that they're completely worthless and should be ignored. Besides that, there are far more ways to take advantage of these cards as combo extenders outside of meme-y 2-card comboes, like calling out Norden and drastically increasing the longevity of your play. 

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

This reeks of so much hypocrisy when I've seen you neglect to read an entire THREAD before commenting and calling everyone in it a moron for a viewpoint noboy in it expressed. Even without that there's no reason to call anyone stupid for misunderstanding how a trading card works. None at all.

1) Link, seems a bit extreme that I called everyone a moron 

2) Assume it's true, Slinky likes to correct me and elevate himself for being correct, he should do better

3) Clearly you missed the whole overraction slinky incidents with the new Blue Eyes Monsters

4) What's there to misunderstand, it clearly says "destroy all other monsters"

 

Don't sugar coat it, he didn't bother to read before mouthing off his pre-conceived notions

 

You'd need something like Stein + Chalice to pull off Slinky's combo though...neg last warrior and resolve stein twice 

[~Faytl~]

1) Link, seems a bit extreme that I called everyone a moron 

2) Assume it's true, Slinky likes to correct me and elevate himself for being correct, he should do better

3) Clearly you missed the whole overraction slinky incidents with the new Blue Eyes Monsters

4) What's there to misunderstand, it clearly says "destroy all other monsters"

 

Don't sugar coat it, he didn't bother to read before mouthing off his pre-conceived notions

 

You'd need something like Stein + Chalice to pull off Slinky's combo though...neg last warrior and resolve stein twice 

 

1. Exhibit A- https://forum.yugiohcardmaker.net/topic/352877-pot-of-greed/ (you come in at post #13)

 

2-4. There is not a word or combination of words in the English language to describe how LITTLE I care. I don't give a damn what the other person sounds off with, there's zero reason to be a jerk. I would hope we're a more mature group of people than to devolve down to calling each other names because "he did it first." Please grow up, because this kind of crap isn't what we're here for, we're here to discuss the cards. Chill.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

1. Exhibit A- https://forum.yugiohcardmaker.net/topic/352877-pot-of-greed/ (you come in at post #13)

 

2-4. There is not a word or combination of words in the English language to describe how LITTLE I care. I don't give a damn what the other person sounds off with, there's zero reason to be a jerk. I would hope we're a more mature group of people than to devolve down to calling each other names because "he did it first." Please grow up, because this kind of crap isn't what we're here for, we're here to discuss the cards. Chill.

His point on why stein should be banned is silly. I explained exactly why even considering pog is stupid in that thread. There were people who argued the same point before me, so hardly ignoring the whole thread. I shouldn't have been as acrimonious to slinky, but it's the type of language he understands best

[Resident Fascist]

I mean, Magical Scientist causes all sorts of derpy sheet with Sea Monster of Theseus. Give me some time to think and I'll work out something ridiculous you can do with it. One thing that comes to mind is making Tzolkin or Bishbalkin, or multiple Tzolkins.

[Kaiji]

rofl @ winter thinking he did ycm tcg section a favor taking down the bIG BaD sLiNKy #gottem nice site contribution

 

 

Worth noting that VIOLET POISON magician can out Exterio so the game is starting 2 get better thru increasing the number of outs so wouldn't be surprised

 

not a lotta macheen deck that can invest in GGX without already using normie summon or u have bigger badder boss wombo combo to go for instead (ABC) so its likely in preparation for this card eventual return 

 

its cool cuz the other decks that can utilize it without losing to lightning/using normal summon (PENDULUM) don't even need it, basically another apex avian that sees initial play then u realize kirin is a good card Top 10 Anime Deaths

[Neutrality Man]

Cyber Stein can stay banned. ESPECIALLY if the 12k lp reigns true. Paying 10k to get a field of Exterio and Last Warrior will be major bullshit, and nobody would want to deal with that. Exterio can be set-up by pretty much anything, so no. It's too dangerous. Especially since nearly everybody runs Pot of Desires, which sets up Exterio on its own with a +1 on top of it. 

Magical Scientist however, while fine in theory with an opt, we should err on the side of caution for now, and leave it banned, due to its search-ability and recyclability due to it being a level 1. (Kinka-Byo, Where Arf Thou, 141 etc.). It just has too much abuse potential.

It would be pretty BS, but only because that field would be impossible to have.

If the rule is changed to 12k starting lp which is the rumor right now? Wouldn't be impossible at all, would be very practical.

Last Warrior Raigeki's your field except itself, doesn't it?

Naturia Exterio is a Level 10.

 

 

Problem solved

[Progenitor]

Wew lad you did it.

[SANDAA BORUTO]

Cyber-Stein I'm okay with, but not Scientist, especially since now they made a Fusion Tuner, which turns Scientist into a 1-card Synchro. And this card's primary target in its heyday (TER) came back unerrata'd and is at 3 right now. Lolnope, Scientist is a permaban kind of card.