Public Relations Moderator to be Announced

[Blake]

Uproar from who gdi

 

There's uproar NOW that you guy did pull this one over our eyes. First all the talk about one of recs. Zai was a 1 of as well. Outside of Roxas who endorsed him? (Before he was selected)

 

Just becuase your preferred candidate loses doesn't mean you pick the guy with least support

if you were here at the general mod election, you would understand why

 

Damned if we did, damned if we didn't

 

Zai had supporters. Status; and I swear a few here.

 

Hina didn't have much more support, and there were concerns there. Zai had less. This isn't an odd concept.

 

Also. Most people seemed to realize it wasn't a true vote, considering they "voted" 3-4 at a time, for some of them.

[Tourmaline]

Though my efforts would have been the most sincere. Not merely hypothetical

 

There are voting systems where multiple candidates can be voted for simultaneously albeit in a ranking according to the voter's preference.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Should have told us the front runners ( and Yui got privately axed and had us revote

 

For a pr mod, the private coronation of a mod fav is delicious irony

[Phantom Roxas]

My endorsement of Zai was something every mod was well within their right to disagree with. It's not like I tipped the scales in his favor.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

My endorsement of Zai was something every mod was well within their right to disagree with. It's not like I tipped the scales in his favor.

Stop misrepresent what I'm saying. You were the only person to publicly back him as far as I can tell, gone back and looked through it

I'm vouching for you. I think you're pretty relaxed, so temperament would not be an issue, and it would make you very approachable. I'd trust you to handle things fairly.

Yeah this was literally it

 

And he touted his own horn plenty of times, but no one else took that hint. If Hoppy (risen from the dead) and VCR felt so strongly for him, they should have come out and said it before, not after he got coordinated into power

[mitchermitcher]

And we couldn't back out of a duo. Last time such happened, there was also uproar,

Would there have been? I don't know about 'last time' this happened but 'this' time, the suggestion for a duo PR wasn't part of the original proposal and was a random suggestion someone made in an earlier post (it was you iirc). It was an idea that was only added later. If there truly was only one candidate who felt 'worthy' and everyone else was trash then, that'd likely be a legitimate and acceptable reason to back out of implementing such an idea, and wouldn't be poorly received.

 

And on a personal note I'm against a pair PR. One PR mod already feels fairly redundant, two I don't even know what's the point. I've had some people explain to me what a PR person is actually meant to do and I'm not really convinced you guys need one, much less two. I'll congratulate both of the new PRs and wait to see their performance because it's etiquette but I'm still unconvinced on the entire premise to begin with, although I recognize I should've asked this back when the elections were still going on.

[Blake]

Though my efforts would have been the most sincere. Not merely hypothetical

 

There are voting systems where multiple candidates can be voted for simultaneously albeit in a ranking according to the voter's preference.

You don't need to convince me. I genuinely believe in you.

 

But actions have consequences, and the consequence is that people don't have an opinion on you other than confusion, normally. 1 mod was super pro-Hina and one anti-Hina but pro-Polaris. But that's fractions.

 

There's no official voting procedure. I concede it was written poorly, but it also says we deliberate over what we got. And I'm sorry if you feel cheated, really. Of the three complaining, you're the one that feels the most in their right.

 

And now for a hypothetical in general:

 

"Hey guys we appreciate you coming out but we elected Bree alone instead of a duo so yeaaaah"

 

How would that ever go over well

[mitchermitcher]

You don't need to convince me. I genuinely believe in you.

 

But actions have consequences, and the consequence is that people don't have an opinion on you other than confusion, normally. 1 mod was super pro-Hina and one anti-Hina but pro-Polaris. But that's fractions.

 

There's no official voting procedure. I concede it was written poorly, but it also says we deliberate over what we got. And I'm sorry if you feel cheated, really. Of the three complaining, you're the one that feels the most in their right.

 

And now for a hypothetical in general:

 

"Hey guys we appreciate you coming out but we elected Bree alone instead of a duo so yeaaaah"

 

How would that ever go over well

Try "Hey guys, after mulling over it we as the mod team came to the conclusion that only one candidate made the cut"

 

Maybe I'm missing context or something, could you elaborate more on this earlier case of revolt that happened? I cannot see such an announcement causing the same fuzz as what's going on right now.

[Tourmaline]

Fortunately my life is in the best place it has ever been. I didn't put enough effort into making it work here is all.

 

Also, while there are a few people who dislike me, given the reaction to Zai's promotion and the people against it, that ought to be nullified. Did you consider that hypothetical enough to question him, too? Did you really think my promotion would have had a worse reaction than this?

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

And now for a hypothetical in general:

 

"Hey guys we appreciate you coming out but we elected Bree alone instead of a duo so yeaaaah"

 

How would that ever go over well

Well, cause Bree engages with the public, was widely supported unlike the other guy, is active on discord, isn't a condescending prick (yes yes, like me, but I'm not running to be mod, so deflection) when they show back up.

 

You could easily have said, "the other candidates had problems, so we went with our original idea of one PR mod."

 

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Also did anyone else self advertise repeatedly as much as Zai did in this thread? People nominated themselves, but it was never an every post deal 

[Althemia]

mm what a trainwreck, having to break my hiatus to post on this because holy sheet rofl

 

As with any public relations, it is in all of our best interests if your Public Relations Moderator was elected by you.  At this time, we would like you to come forward with a name of someone who you, the YCMembers, deem most appropriate to fulfill this position.

if you guys are going to actually try and put something in motion, at least commit to what you're putting out there. otherwise it just comes across as lying for the sake of saving face. the only person i really agree with completely dismissing in this entire case with giga because of multiple things he did during that just made him seem like a complete scumbag / proved himself to possess the complete opposite qualities needed for a mod tbh.

[Wahrheit]

Serious question - can we just give the picks a chance? They're probies. If they're really that bad, drop 'em.

 

I know you feel upset, but I think we can move forward. Let's look for solutions.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Serious question - can we just give the picks a chance? They're probies. If they're really that bad, drop 'em.

 

I know you feel upset, but I think we can move forward. Let's look for solutions.

It's impossible to remove mods. Given that the mod team coordinated zai into modship, good luck ever getting them to agree he's "really that bad"

 

Only way it happens is if they're legit gone for years. Like LZ

[Wahrheit]

It's impossible to remove mods.

How is this possibly true?

[Althemia]

It's impossible to remove mods. Given that the mod team coordinated zai into modship, good luck ever getting them to agree he's "really that bad"

 

Only way it happens is if they're legit gone for years. Like LZ

we can be removed for being bad, just some people downright refuse to remove us for any other reason.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

How is this possibly true?

Uh, the only two mods to leave were for long absence. LZ and the other guy with the pokemon avi

we can be removed for being bad, just some people downright refuse to remove us for any other reason.

I like you kook, but honest to god you're a good example. Why are you still a mod? You're barely ever here

[(GigaDrillBreaker)]

For the record, there is no mole. I actually have no idea what leaked information you are talking about, so you don't need to worry about dissent on the team in that respect.

[Aerion Brightflame]

So would the mods agree, here in this thread, in public, that after a given trial period of X time, if members here are unsatisfied with Zai to remove him rather than promote him to be a full mod? Under penalty of a general refusal to obey the instructions of the mod team if they refuse?

 

Like if the result is a result because of nepostism, we may as well give it a trial if that can be garunteed to us.

[Althemia]

I like you kook, but honest to god you're a good example. Why are you still a mod? You're barely ever here

i asked to be demoted a year ago and they told me there was no need to demote me and i could just do janitorial work behind the scenes. there's your answer.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

i asked to be demoted a year ago and they told me there was no need to demote me and i could just do janitorial work behind the scenes. there's your answer.

Shocking, status quo rot goes all the way up to the supers it seems

So would the mods agree, here in this thread, in public, that after a given trial period of X time, if members here are unsatisfied with Zai to remove him rather than promote him to be a full mod? Under penalty of a general refusal to obey the instructions of the mod team if they refuse?

 

Like if the result is a result because of nepostism, we may as well give it a trial if that can be garunteed to us.

Or we can hold a real nomination, nepotism isn't the problem here. Birdie was nepotism here too, but Black was openly supporting her, and he offered her nom to the public which accepted it.

 

Think of it like W winning the presidency after HW before him. Yeh it was nepotism, but arguably the public was fine choosing him. That was not the case with the other person selected for PR mod

[BANZAI!!!!]

If I may...

 

It was said in the mod forum but I suppose it should be said here in public as well. If I (or Birdie, but I cannot speak for her and you all seem to have way less of an issue with her promotion than you do mine) don't perform my job adequately, then I'll be off of the site staff in a month, and that will be that. I'm willing to step down if there's a need for it.

 

For the record though. No, I wasn't promoted due to nepotism. I've read the thread with the team's deliberation logs in it, it took them a good while to settle on me and I was neither their first, nor was I their last choice. I was somewhere in the middle and as things happened the other candidates were dropped for one reason or another.

 

The fact of the matter is that I'm here for the moment, and so all that I ask is that site give me a chance to do some good before calling for my demotion.

 

I'm a PR guy now, so I suppose that means feel free to come to me with whatever complaints you all have about how things went down, or what the team is doing in general, and i'll be sure to bring it to their attention. And vice versa, I hope that since i'm a relative unknown (even to most of the mod team, believe it or not), you can all trust me to be an impartial voice for the site staff.

 

You can all trust me, you know. Its not like I have an ill will toward the site or anyone who uses it.

[Blake]

Try "Hey guys, after mulling over it we as the mod team came to the conclusion that only one candidate made the cut"

 

Maybe I'm missing context or something, could you elaborate more on this earlier case of revolt that happened? I cannot see such an announcement causing the same fuzz as what's going on right now.

only have time for this sorryto others

 

Because the team chose rai over those majorly discussed/on the list, due to showing

Up and wanting it. When t was a duo promotion and rai alone got it.

 

It's not quite the same as this, as there was the WTF WHY element, but the fact only one mod got chosen simply

Made it grow.

 

Also I advocate removal of 4-6 team members zzz

[Sleepy]

When was this unlocked? Whelp.... have 3 pages of content worth of reading ahead of me.... but in the mean time.

 

 

Also where was the backlash against Hina? People were pretty openly supporting her in the topic, the only person I recall that was critical of her, was me, who made clear why and where I had issues, but then prefaced said issues weren't big enough (for me) to be a deal breaker.

 

*Raises hand*
Me, I voted against the idea of Hina or Polaris. Unless everybody pretty much ignored my vote...

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On the subject of Zai:
I don't have anything for or against Zai because I don't even know who that member is... To be honest, I ignore if he's more well known, though he seems to have a very low post count compared to the years his account has existed according to a quick profile visit. I thought it was akin to a low star member going for it.... Hopefully comments on the next 3 pages of read clear some of this up for me.

 

 

 

[Tourmaline]

only have time for this sorryto others

Because the team chose rai over those majorly discussed/on the list, due to showing

Up and wanting it. When t was a duo promotion and rai alone got it.

It's not quite the same as this, as there was the WTF WHY element, but the fact only one mod got chosen simply

Made it grow.

Also I advocate removal of 4-6 team members zzz

I very much want you to reply to my last post. I don't mind if it takes a while for you to be free. It's hard to imagine a potentially mildly negative reaction to me holds more weight against my being chosen than the actual, much larger negative reaction being expressed now for Zai. Anyway:

 

Fortunately my life is in the best place it has ever been. I didn't put enough effort into making it work here is all.

Also, while there are a few people who dislike me, given the reaction to Zai's promotion and the people against it, that ought to be nullified. Did you consider that hypothetical enough to question him, too? Did you really think my promotion would have had a worse reaction than this?

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

If I may...

 

It was said in the mod forum but I suppose it should be said here in public as well. If I (or Birdie, but I cannot speak for her and you all seem to have way less of an issue with her promotion than you do mine) don't perform my job adequately, then I'll be off of the site staff in a month, and that will be that. I'm willing to step down if there's a need for it.

 

For the record though. No, I wasn't promoted due to nepotism. I've read the thread with the team's deliberation logs in it, it took them a good while to settle on me and I was neither their first, nor was I their last choice. I was somewhere in the middle and as things happened the other candidates were dropped for one reason or another.

 

The fact of the matter is that I'm here for the moment, and so all that I ask is that site give me a chance to do some good before calling for my demotion.

 

I'm a PR guy now, so I suppose that means feel free to come to me with whatever complaints you all have about how things went down, or what the team is doing in general, and i'll be sure to bring it to their attention. And vice versa, I hope that since i'm a relative unknown (even to most of the mod team, believe it or not), you can all trust me to be an impartial voice for the site staff.

 

You can all trust me, you know. Its not like I have an ill will toward the site or anyone who uses it.

Yeah? Shall I come to you with evidence that a certain member of the mod team has wrongly pushed for my ban in the last 12 hours using fake information? Will you stand up for me against that mod? Cause I've brought it up with two mods who are actually my friends and nothing has been done about the belligerent mod or my penalty that they wrongfully inflicted on me.

 

The entire mod team plays smoke and mirrors, and you going on an "no ill will" claim after the last few days is ironic. Birdie can make that claim. We might have as well picked Draco or VCR to be the PR mod, cause this is in effect no different than that