[Video + Discussion] Is the Yugioh community too judgy?

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As part of the recent effort to take politics out of General, I thought I'd bring a different but equally controversial topic into General.

 

The video kinda explains it all. As someone who runs a rather budget Paleozoic deck (1 Toad, 0 strike, 0 dbarrier, 0 desires), I am often forced to make rather unconventional deckbuilding decisions. This video, therefore, kinda speaks to me, but it does also come off as slightly whiny to me. Discuss.

[ihop]

This happens in literally any competitive game and idk why Yugioh is being singled out for this. If a football manager changes his formation to something weird, people criticize him for it. If a LoL player picks an unorthodox champion, people criticize him for it, and likewise if a Yugioh player plays something weird people criticize him for it, but that's just how these things work and it's not intrinsic to Yugioh.

 

I think what's worse is when people use the fact that people are always keen to criticize as a shield for their bad decisions. Some card choices and lines of play are bad no matter how you see it, and unless you're 100% not bothered about trying to be as successful as possible (in which case if you have a problem with criticism the problem is with you) you should actually listen to the people telling you not to do x and y rather than belligerently sticking to your guns and saying "I will do z and people who disagree are just sheep". If you don't care about results criticism shouldn't bother you, and if you do then you should listen to all of it.

[BANZAI!!!!]

This happens in literally any competitive game and idk why Yugioh is being singled out for this. If a football manager changes his formation to something weird, people criticize him for it. If a LoL player picks an unorthodox champion, people criticize him for it, and likewise if a Yugioh player plays something weird people criticize him for it, but that's just how these things work and it's not intrinsic to Yugioh.

 

I think what's worse is when people use the fact that people are always keen to criticize as a shield for their bad decisions. Some card choices and lines of play are bad no matter how you see it, and unless you're 100% not bothered about trying to be as successful as possible (in which case if you have a problem with criticism the problem is with you) you should actually listen to the people telling you not to do x and y rather than belligerently sticking to your guns and saying "I will do z and people who disagree are just sheep". If you don't care about results criticism shouldn't bother you, and if you do then you should listen to all of it.

I'll admit that he comes off rather whiny, but I don't think that was the point he was trying to get across.

 

Its less about recieving criticism and more the tone and pitch in which its given. Look no further rhan YCM's TCG section for the kind of thing he's talking about. Its ok to be told that you misplayed, or that a card choice or a deck build is sub-optimal, but being attacked for it instead of being constructively criticised is something that happens quite often. I see it here and in real life quite often, at both casual and competitive levels of play.

 

It goes both ways as well. Being belligerant when you're offered advice is something that happens just as frequently, but the caveat to that is that playing to win is not entirely cut and dry. Trying to be as successful as possible with a certain playstyle, or deck, whatever its viability is, is as legitimate a choice as being a top tier competitive player.

 

I think overall where this stems from is a need to feel validated in one way or another. Competitive players want to be proud of the time and money they've invested, casual players want to play their way and have fun doing it, and putting other people down, as unhealthy as it is, makes us feel better about our own deicsions regarding the game.

 

Side note: his point about yugioh being a game that promotes creativity is good and I think its something we could be reminded of more often.

[Maeriberii Haan]

I still don't get it though, the phenomenon here does happen in most competitive game, especially one with also big casual playerbase. It's just more noticeable in Yugioh due to the distance between the two side, but almost the exact same thing happens at times in like say, Pokemon.

[BANZAI!!!!]

I still don't get it though, the phenomenon here does happen in most competitive game, especially one with also big casual playerbase. It's just more noticeable in Yugioh due to the distance between the two side, but almost the exact same thing happens at times in like say, Pokemon.

Doesn't that just make it more of a problem then? Just because it happens in other communities doesn't make it right.

[ihop]

Well, the question is whether Yugioh is too judgy. I'd say no - it's no judgier than any other competitive game and unless you think every competitive game is too judgy (a valid point, but not something that can be fixed by specifically looking at Yugioh) I don't see that much of a problem with it in Yugioh.

[BANZAI!!!!]

Well, the question is whether Yugioh is too judgy. I'd say no - it's no judgier than any other competitive game and unless you think every competitive game is too judgy (a valid point, but not something that can be fixed by specifically looking at Yugioh) I don't see that much of a problem with it in Yugioh.

I see it more frequently in this community than others, so on this I think i'd have to disagree with you and say that yes it is too judgey.

 

That said, i believe that most competitive communities in general are too judgey, so YMMV.

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The title exists just to draw people in because the video's title was one sided and therefore I couldn't use it. Don't get hung up on the exact words I used to summarise the discussion topic at hand.

 

On topic, I really like the points Paul makes about the hypocrisy of putting people down for testing out the unorthodox while also relying on those who do so to discover the next big thing.